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And Ken, it could be an ongoing dialogue in layers for me to research and respond. The initial sequential flow chart "trace" could give me some linearity and relativity. And base (6, 10, etc.) systems are baffling to pin down for significance. I'm trying to tie mathematical progression to occultic escalation and/or pervasion within "mainstream" disciplines and societal acceptance; and from era to era since 2000+ BC in "dispensations" of practice, prevalence, and authority.

This could take quite a while to study. Here is a basic list of what I consider the watershed documents: Counting to 5 is inborn. See here for the development of writing as it occurred through math: Two precursors of writing: plain and complex tokens - Escola Finaly This is my opinion is pre-Noah, and was probably how he kept track of 7 clean animals vs. 2 unclean. You can read the state of Egyptian math ca. 2100BC from here: Rhind Mathematical Papyrus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia; my translation annotates the extra-Biblical legends.: http://www.kenbehrens.com/Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.pdf. As E. Wallis Budge proved, the numbers 6-10 in Egyptian are proto-Hebrew loan words, so it is likely that Hebrews started Egyptian pharoanic culture. The next stage is the writings of the Greeks. The classic treatment of the nature of creation as math is in Timaeus (dialogue) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, but you will need to study Greek mathematics, astronomy, and music theory generally also, as they report on and use virtually all of ancient culture prior to themselves. It is an important fact that the Greeks knew the earth is round, yet analyzed it with PLANE geometry, assuming it flat. Plato discusses this (in the Republic), as well as the Egyptian method of encoding the musical scale to the vowels. The Egyptian and Greek were definitive until the 1600's, with the discovery of calculus, Cartesian coordinates, and "modern science", which I'm sure you know all about. Kaballah, oriental mysticism, etc., all fit into the Egyptian/Greek (Sumerian/Babylonian based) system which ruled from 2800BC until around 1600 AD, in various forms. The modern occultism is things like string theory and cosmology, all of which is equally unproven, and is about the same kind of "wisdom" that brought the Wise Men to Jesus.

Bases are probably not relevant to what you are thinking. The Sumerians used base 60, due to that being a natural way to divide the sky (part of their culture is based on the sky changing due to continental separation in the Flood). Everyone else (even the Mayans, Chinese and Hindus) used base 10. The Rhind Papyrus even includes a table similar to our English/Metric conversion for kitchen measures.

I'd suggest you start somewhere in this list, and if you open a thread, I will respond. Maybe " ancient mathematics and religious thought", or something like that?

you're amazing Ken
this little bit of understanding is key. isn't it.
la dee da.

The worst part of it is, that there are many internet sites that refuse to believe it is true, since they allege Budge "stole" the work of his students. This means he gave them a bump up in the academic world by publishing their work. In some quarters, this is almost as divisive as the arguments over the Talmud. The names of the numbers clearly match, but a whole group of Scripture scholars refuse to look at the data to see that they match, and will say officially that everything Budge did is wrong.

You can trace the source linguistically. The Book of Jubilees (8:3-5) says Kainan started a culture with the "knowledge used to discern the heavens by the pre-Flood people". Kainan is in Jesus' geneology in Luke, and in Genesis in the LXX, but not in the Hebrew Bible. In Near-East languages, "kainan" means to count. In Egypt, the founder is called Menes. In most ancient languages, menes means "to found", but only in Egyptian and Hebrew, does it also mean to count. It is used this way in the handwriting on the wall episode in Daniel.

I can't help but think of this every time I brush shoulders with this thread...