A closer look at the rights of public platforms to censor posts

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ZNP

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The analogy about the car lease would only be accurate if Youtube and Facebook slapped their messages all over your posts and videos.

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The analogy about the car lease would only be accurate if instead of putting their own pro-choice bumper sticker, the car company said you could not put your own bumper sticker on the car.
They control what you say the same way Pavlov controlled dogs. Say what I like you will get likes, say what I don't like you will get shadow banned, and if that doesn't work censored. But they don't de platform you except in extreme cases where it becomes clear they cannot control you.
 

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Imagine if Youtube censored every post that questioned the vaccine so in the debate you only have one side, those that are promoting the vaccine, pushing the mandate, etc. It gives the appearance that everyone agrees because everyone who disagrees is censored or suspended or shadow banned.
 

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I think the question here is that some corporations have a whooolllle lot of power. They can actually sway elections with their policies and actions by keeping news items from the public. They arguably have a monopoly on the messaging. So where is the line drawn on what we put up with in a free society? I am not entirely sure at this point, but -- if the government is using them to censor, then the answer to this question is clear. They must be stopped and punished, "they" being the company and the government entity(ies) responsible.
 
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Dr. Fauci lied, that is no longer up for debate. He lied to Rand Paul, I'm tired of enumerating his lies, many already have so if you are not aware then we have other threads where you can educate yourself. His lies led to thousands of people being killed by the treatment he mandated for Covid. That also is provable, again, if you don't know that talk to PennEd, he'll get you up to speed. That is only in the US, if you look worldwide it will be hundreds of thousands died because of the treatment he mandated (in the US) and prescribed which others followed in other countries. He influenced the prohibition of using effective treatments which also caused people to die and get very sick.

He played an influential role in the shutdown which damaged small businesses across this country and which harmed every single kid who had their school shut down or who had to wear a mask at school.

Meanwhile Dr. Fauci doubled his net worth during the pandemic. A public servant profiting greatly off the very, very bad advice he was ramming down everyone's throat.

Much of the "fact checking" done on these platforms concerning the pandemic, treatment and vaccine were lies. Everything that Alex Jones did that was bad, what they did was orders of magnitude worse.
I never referenced Fauci.
 

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Of course you do. It is illegal to discriminate based on race, religion or nation of origin. Nor can they discriminate based on sex. The only exception would be a private club where other members must refer you to membership. This is obviously not the case with public platforms like Facebook, Youtube and Twitter.

To get around this the debate has been over "hate speech" and "disinformation" which could be harmful to the public. These are vague terms which are not well defined. However, if you claim that speech is "disinformation" or "fake" or determined to be false and therefore banned it. What happens when it turns out that the speech wasn't false, wasn't fake, wasn't disinformation but was accurate?

I contend that you must hold the company accountable. If there is a compelling interest for society to censor information that is fake then there is an equally compelling interest to not censor information that is true. Recently Alex Jones was sued and is being sued for a total of approximately $4 trillion. This is because he spread false information that had a very negative effect on dozens of people. None were killed, but some had to sell their house and move. Likewise during the pandemic when the vaccine was mandated thousands lost their jobs and were forced to sell their houses and were slandered as "anti science" or some other perjorative.

So my feeling is every time a platform censors someone they need to be transparent and accountable just as Alex Jones is being held accountable for the things he said, they must be held accountable for the things they would not allow to be said and any slander they put on the people posting those things.

If you allow companies to censor and slander and harm people's businesses as they please and then if they made a mistake say "hey, just a mistake" then the problem grows. Many people on these platforms have a business relationship with the platform. Putting these people out of business could have been the goal all along which is something the better business bureau needs to investigate.
A private platform can filter content at their own discretion
That's not discrimination. They reserve the right to remove any content for any reason because it's a private platform
 

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Apparently not in ZNP's world.

But in ZNP's world I should be able to sue the local newspaper because they refused to run my "Looking for a dildo" classified ad. :eek::sneaky:
 

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A private platform can filter content at their own discretion
That's not discrimination. They reserve the right to remove any content for any reason because it's a private platform
Of course it's discrimination. They are choosing what you can see and read and what you cannot. Definitionally, they are discriminating. If a search engine only allowed you to see info that favored the Republicans, I doubt you'd be silent on it. You'd be calling it another example of right-wing divisiveness.

The question is, is this discrimination constitutional? It may be, but if you guys, some of you Christians, are okay with them doing this and don't want to take it seriously, then you are woefully unaware of what's going on right now in the West, and the US in particular. For your own sakes you'd better start taking this stuff seriously and wake up soon.

As for me, I am off FB, have no Twitter account, no LI account, and am getting along just fine. I'm also going to eventually dump my gmail accounts. I currently only use DuckDuckGo for searching online (until I find out they're woke).
 

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A private platform can filter content at their own discretion
That's not discrimination. They reserve the right to remove any content for any reason because it's a private platform
It is a publicly traded company. The owners are the shareholders which include hedge funds and pension fund managers. They invested in this company based on their prospectus and annual reports. If these people were deceived and as a result of that deception they lost money they can sue for damages. Generally speaking, but not always, it is understood that a company is there to maximize profit. So if you pursue a policy that is contrary to making a profit you must disclose it. There are "green" funds that pursue a policy of "carbon free" or some other policy. That is fine. Buf if you policy is to discriminate against half of the users of your platform and that policy results in your shareholders taking a significant loss in their investment, then of course you had better have disclosed that up front or you will get sued. This whole "it is a private platform" is baloney. It is a company that is owned by the shareholders and the CEO works for them.
 

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It is a publicly traded company. The owners are the shareholders which include hedge funds and pension fund managers. They invested in this company based on their prospectus and annual reports. If these people were deceived and as a result of that deception they lost money they can sue for damages. Generally speaking, but not always, it is understood that a company is there to maximize profit. So if you pursue a policy that is contrary to making a profit you must disclose it. There are "green" funds that pursue a policy of "carbon free" or some other policy. That is fine. Buf if you policy is to discriminate against half of the users of your platform and that policy results in your shareholders taking a significant loss in their investment, then of course you had better have disclosed that up front or you will get sued. This whole "it is a private platform" is baloney. It is a company that is owned by the shareholders and the CEO works for them.
Hmm... that's an interesting point, one I'd not considered.
 

ZNP

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As for the people on the platform they are the content providers. There is a contractual arrangement with the understanding that they could use the platform to build their business. Therefore like any contract both sides must keep their side of the bargain. So if an investigation proved that they did not keep their end of the bargain they can sue, like any business partner, for damages.
 

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What many of you apparently do not understand is that investors in stocks do not like to be deceived and then lose money. The benefit to investing in the NYSE is the listing requirements are supposed to give the investor the highest sense of security that they are getting the full story with full transparency. This is why CEO's will announce ahead of time that they expect to miss targets. They can be sued if they are not fully transparent and it can be proved they deceived the investing public. In 2022 META stock has lost more than half a trillion dollars. That in the legal industry is what is known as "harm". Now I realize this may offend the sensibilities of some of our more tender flowers on this forum, but believe it or not, many of these investors are not Christians who turn the other cheek, rather they are what the Bible refers to as "froward" or what we more commonly call "litigious". Now I understand on a Christian forum many of us understand that money is vanity, it is like a vapor and that we should be storing our treasure in heaven where Zuckerberg can't use it to steal elections. Still, as frivolous as this half a trillion is in the grand scheme of eternity, I do believe that there are lawyers right now working on lawsuits.
 

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Now in Zuckerberg's defense he can argue that he had no idea that silencing people on their facebook pages as they talked to families and friends about the election or the pandemic would actually cause them to leave his platform. Sure 75 million people voted for Trump and the pandemic impacted the entire world, but how was he to know that if he just decided he didn't like what they were saying and so he suspended their account for 30 days that they would actually go to another platform? He can argue that, I don't think it will work, but hey it is worth a try.
 

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Ohio attorney general files lawsuit claiming Facebook misled investors about safety measures

  • Meta, formerly known as Facebook, faces new charges from investors for allegedly violating federal securities laws.
  • Ohio’s attorney general filed a suit alleging that Facebook misled the public about the negative effects the company’s products can have on kids’ wellbeing.
  • The lawsuit follows the release of a trove of documents by former Facebook employee Frances Haugen.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/15/ohi...known as Facebook,can have on kids' wellbeing.
 

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ALERT: Facebook, Inc. Investors With Substantial Losses Have Opportunity to Lead Class Action Lawsuit - FB

CASE ALLEGATIONS: The Facebook securities class action lawsuit alleges that defendants made false and misleading statements and failed to disclose that: (i) Facebook misrepresented its user growth; (ii) Facebook knew that duplicate accounts represented a greater portion of its growth than stated, and it should have provided more detailed disclosures as to the implication of duplicate accounts to Facebook’s user base and growth; (iii) Facebook did not provide a fair platform for speech, and regularly protected high profile users via its Cross Check/XCheck system; (iv) despite being aware of their use of Facebook’s platforms, Facebook failed to respond meaningfully to drug cartels, human traffickers, and violent organizations; (v) Facebook has been working to attract preteens to its platform and services; and (vi) as a result, defendants made public statements that were materially false and misleading.

On September 13, 2021, The Wall Street Journal published an article titled “Facebook Says Its Rules Apply to All. Company Documents Reveal a Secret Elite That’s Exempt.” This Wall Street Journal article would be the first of nine articles published by the outlet based on documents provided by a then-unknown whistleblower (the “Whistleblower”). The article, among other things, reported that Facebook’s CEO and founder, defendant Mark Zuckerberg, “has publicly said Facebook Inc. allows its more than three billion users to speak on equal footing with the elites of politics, culture and journalism, and that its standards of behavior apply to everyone, no matter their status or fame. In private, the company has built a system that has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules.” On this news, the price of Facebook shares fell.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...Opportunity-to-Lead-Class-Action-Lawsuit---FB
 

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Dude653

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Farrakhan is anti-Semitic and I still believe he was complicit in the murder of Malcolm X
Ask for Alex jones, I have exactly zero sympathy for him because he brought this on himself. What do you think it's going to happen when he convinces his audience that the parents lied about the death of their children in order to promote confiscating everyone's guns., Would you something that's not going to happen in reality.. so just like I believe Farrakhan was complicit in the murder of Malcolm x, Alex Jones just complicit in what happened to these families.
But as I already said earlier, a private platform can remove any content for any reason.
 

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You have a 2 year statute of limitations to sue. In the case of META their stock has suffered a horrible collapse this year. But if Republicans do get elected and do hold hearings there should be more information coming out that would bolster lawsuits. Therefore, even though many lawyers may be lining up to sue they may also be waiting to see how the election goes and any information that might come out in hearings. They have plenty of time.

Likewise with Twitter. Musk seems to be releasing information and this could easily lead to a lawsuit of his if they lied to him about the number of active users resulting in his 44 billion dollar price tag.

And of course advertisers can also sue both META and Twitter if they lied about the reach and audience.
 

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