All sickness is from Satan!!

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Ramon

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So what makes God allowing Satan to ruin people's lives better than him directly doing it? If anything isn't that worse? Kinda like the superhero that let the people trapped in the burning buildings die even though he was more than capable of saving them?
My friend. We see two cases everyday on this site. So let me explain it:

The first case is the case of unbelievers, people who hate God or don't know him. These people are subject to death every day of their lives. They have no protection against Satan, and as long as they are apart from God, they are subject to depression, sickness, and all sorts of evil, homosexuality and all of the things that corrupt them. And Satan makes it easy for them to sin and love it. That is the first case.

The second case is of believers. People who know God, and fear him. They are protected from Satan and such things as sickness and depression and all issues of life (though many of them perish for lack of knowledge). But then there is the special case where God allows these people to be subjected to Satan for their growing. It was the same way with Jesus. He was lead to the wilderness to be tempted of Satan. Also, Jesus Christ went through the greatest test of a Christian. For a short while the Lord God would turn his face away from his own Son. He would lend his son over to wicked men to be mocked and mistreated and striped of his flesh with hard tools. Nailed to a cross with nine inch nails in his wrists and feet, a crown of thorns on his head as a mockery. And this was done by his own people, people who said they knew God, but they killed his son. This is the end of a disciple of Jesus, death. But the hope is eternal life in Him.

Now, we are beginning to see a very clear case coming also. This is a third, but not last case. We see people who WERE believers who knew the truth but decided to play around and compromise. These people are also subject to Satan. These people make it difficult for the unbelievers to know the Truth. These people have an outward form of godliness, but they teach hellish lies. These are the people Satan promotes in the eyes of unbelievers, while the true believers are painted as the evil ones. They appear holy, but we can tell the difference. They are like the hypocrites of Jesus's day. And these are the very people who killed the prophets all the way up to Jesus, and who continue to kill the servants of the Lord today, and will until the great day.

I hope this made sense. May Jesus bless you.
 
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Thanks for the essay but it didn't answer my question. Why is God allowing evil to happen better than him directly doing it?
 
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Ramon

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Thanks for the essay but it didn't answer my question. Why is God allowing evil to happen better than him directly doing it?
Let's turn it around then. If a person kills someone, is that God's fault or is it the person's fault? And if someone commits adultery is it God's fault or their fault? God promises protection to those who fear him and obey him. But he does not promise unbelievers protection. That is why Jesus is the savior of the world (for those who believe on him). So who do you blame if you don't ACCEPT his salvation(him saving you). It falls on you.

But now we know for sure that God will eventually destroy all evil works, and all those who do evil, yet people disagree when it doesn't suit them. So which way do you want it? God didn't sin against man, man sinned against him, and man brought this on themselves. Death and sickness ENTERED the world through sin. It was a covenant, which man broke, and suffered the penalty of it, which was death.

So it is YOU who do evil. And it is YOU who can be saved from evil. This is why Jesus told us to pray that we are protected from evil (to believers). But if you are a part of this world then you have no hope of salvation. If you are in the protection of God you are protected from harm. It was written:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2
 
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Let's turn it around then. If a person kills someone, is that God's fault or is it the person's fault? And if someone commits adultery is it God's fault or their fault? God promises protection to those who fear him and obey him. But he does not promise unbelievers protection. That is why Jesus is the savior of the world (for those who believe on him). So who do you blame if you don't ACCEPT his salvation(him saving you). It falls on you.
Well then what about the story of Job? It opens with God telling Satan about how loyal and faithful to him Job is, and how he's living exactly how he should be. And what happens? He lets Satan wipe out Job's family, and most of his possessions, just to prove to Satan how firm Job's faith is. And this is supposed to be uplifting?! And if Job was already living as he should have been, which God clearly states at the beginning of the story, then why did he allow all that to happen if his protection only extends to those who trust and believe in him as you so claim?
 
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Ramon

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Well then what about the story of Job? It opens with God telling Satan about how loyal and faithful to him Job is, and how he's living exactly how he should be. And what happens? He lets Satan wipe out Job's family, and most of his possessions, just to prove to Satan how firm Job's faith is. And this is supposed to be uplifting?! And if Job was already living as he should have been, which God clearly states at the beginning of the story, then why did he allow all that to happen if his protection only extends to those who trust and believe in him as you so claim?
This is the second case as I mentioned. Read again. Satan had to ask permission for God to do it. God had so much confidence in Job (a mere man) that the Lord permitted this to prove Job's loyalty. I tell you, that is the greatest honor. And for all that happened to Job, he still did not curse God, as Satan said he would. So, when the family was destroyed and all his wealth, then Satan approached the Lord again saying that the only reason he did not curse God is because his body wasn't attacked. So God permitted it again. And Job kept faith.

If only the Lord could have that much confidence in me. I pray I am worthy for such a test. Jesus was more ready than any man could ever be. Anyhow, God said Satan had permission to attack his flesh, but he could not take his life. But you neglected the end of the story.

All of Job's old possessions were nothing compared to the blessing that followed because of his loyalty.

Many Christians, maybe even 90% are not ready for this type of thing. So faithless and caught up in temporary things. They get a cold and think the world is caving in. This is why Jesus posed the question, ''when the son of man comes, will he find faith in the earth?'' I wonder this same thing myself.

A bunch of faithless and trivial people. But I know the Lord has a remnant reserved for his glory. Who will glorify him when things are good or bad. Not hypocrites, but people after the very heart of God. Who look neither to the left nor right, but are busy about this business, even till death. I pray you will be a part of this great thing the Lord is doing. I hope.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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If you lost all your family and the only explanation God gave you was, "I had to show Satan where he stood even though he already couldn't do anything without my permission and was very aware of that, and I really had nothing I needed to prove anyways. But you should feel honored!" would you seriously feel honored?

And I know you're gonna say yes, but I bet if it really happened to you, you'd feel differently. His crops, animals, and wealth may have been replaced, but you can't replace people, especially ones as close as your family.
 

Red_Tory

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It is Satan who afflicts, only if the Lord allows(as pertaining to the righteous), or if the individual allows himself to be subjected from without the blood(as pertaining to the unrighteous). May Jesus bless you.
Oh golly, are you not reading the passage? It doesn't say "Satan struck down the child", it says that God did it. It doesn't say "God let Satan strike down the child with illness", it says that God did it. Job is a different situation in which God simply permitted Satan to harm Job, but there are other instances within scripture where God Himself directly inflicts illness, not Satan.

Where are you getting this from?
 
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Ramon

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If you lost all your family and the only explanation God gave you was, "I had to show Satan where he stood even though he already couldn't do anything without my permission and was very aware of that, and I really had nothing I needed to prove anyways. But you should feel honored!" would you seriously feel honored?

And I know you're gonna say yes, but I bet if it really happened to you, you'd feel differently. His crops, animals, and wealth may have been replaced, but you can't replace people, especially ones as close as your family.
I'd feel like he did. Depressed, and worthless. I would. I have not seen myself of even worthy to be mentioned in his kingdom. I hope I am pleasing to him. It would be an honor truly, but I am a mere man. For the Lord to even consider me such. Now, I am aware that Job was first trained in righteousness, because he could not have lasted as long especially with all that mess his friends were saying. That is that most frustrating part. When you are down and low, and all people can say is it is because you have sin in you.

In fact, I am guilty of saying this same thing on this site. So that shows where my mind was. It wasn't on grace but on Satan. This is a smooth trick, that I fell into, but I repented right away, and thank you for bringing this up also. It would be an honor, but sure, it wouldn't feel like one. But we see the end of faith here in Job.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Ramon

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Oh golly, are you not reading the passage? It doesn't say "Satan struck down the child", it says that God did it. It doesn't say "God let Satan strike down the child with illness", it says that God did it. Job is a different situation in which God simply permitted Satan to harm Job, but there are other instances within scripture where God Himself directly inflicts illness, not Satan.

Where are you getting this from?
It has to do with the character of God, then maybe you would understand. Satan has no power that wasn't given him. Yet, God has permitted him to afflict. And that time is quickly running out. I am trying to see how I can explain it.

It is like a General who sends out a person on a mission, even though the person is against the general, to destroy a certain land, to accomplish a mission for the good of the nation. Though this wicked man was used to execute a direct order, they will say it was the General who won the battle. Indeed, because he makes the decisions on what to allow and what not to allow. It would seem strange in a case where people assume that the goodness of God is letting people get away with anything. That is just silly. He lets the corrupt corrupt themselves, but he preserves the righteous. God executes judgement also. But this judgement we speak of is not a seasonal thing anymore. Not where he will turn his face again to the wicked who repent.

You have the time now to repent, but the eternal judgement is set when you die and no hope follows that. No matter how long and bitter the cries and moans are.

May Jesus bless you.
 

Red_Tory

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It has to do with the character of God, then maybe you would understand. Satan has no power that wasn't given him. Yet, God has permitted him to afflict. And that time is quickly running out. I am trying to see how I can explain it.

It is like a General who sends out a person on a mission, even though the person is against the general, to destroy a certain land, to accomplish a mission for the good of the nation.

No, you don't understand... God didn't use Satan to strike down the child. He did it Himself, as the passage clearly states.
 

Red_Tory

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God also kills people, destroys civilisations and commands his chosen people to commit genocide. Are these in line with the character of God?
 

pickles

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Much of the sickness and injury is because of sin, as sin opened the door to our infermities.
But there is also that which is done for the glory of God.
I suggest you read John chapter 9 verses 1 through 7.
It is quite the eye opener. :)

in Jesus, God bless.
pickles
 
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Ramon

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God also kills people, destroys civilisations and commands his chosen people to commit genocide. Are these in line with the character of God?
The first thing I noticed about God was his character. In the Old testament we can see the character of God clearly. That is the FIRST thing I realized. And how he dealt with his people. And then I saw the REVELATION of his character in Jesus Christ. The whole time the message has been about Jesus and salvation through him. Read it with a pure heart and you will see his character, and pray before you read for revelation.

May Jesus bless you.