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Desertsrose

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I just laugh when people say, "Oh, I live so much in God that I didn't even when that guy tried to slight me last Saturday afternoon at the grocery store....... on aisle 7." Humm, never even 'noticed' what they so accurately remember?

Sorry, but I prefer simple, imperfect honesty rather than trying to appear to be so 'all together' in front of people.
So is that how I'm coming across as having it all together? If so, that's not how its intended because I certainly don't.

What I wrote about is how God works in the heart of His children. We all grow in Him. It's impossible not to grow in Him unless we deliberately aren't obeying Him or deliberately reject His truth. A new life in Christ grows. We all grow at different paces, but we all grow.

I'm not totally disabled, but I live with pain each and every day. I'm limited in what I can do. I feel very different from most of my friends because I am.

I could make a list of all I go through, but I won't. I'll just say that some days are so difficult, I sometimes think dying would be better. I use to struggle with each wasted day that would go by because I didn't see any value in my life. Again, without going into a lot of details, I've learned so much in my struggles.

I've learned to say, "this is the day the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it." I've learned to say that this day is not a wasted day when I was so out of it because I haven't slept for days.

I've learned to have to rely on God for so many things. It's been such a struggle for many years and in my sorrow, in my weaknesses, in my tragedies, in my pain in my whatevers, God really is my answer. He's all I have when my heart is sick.

I'm older now. Thirty seven years have passed since I first became sick. So many things die away that we once thought were so important such as someone saying thank you when you've done a good deed.

Years ago I made a special effort to make a person's day so special because she was struggling because she turned 50. I bought her a nice gift, I took her to lunch at a nicer restaurant. She threw a tantrum and threw it all back at me for reminding her she was 50.

So yes, I understand what you're talking about. I was very upset. It took a while to get over. But after that incident God showed me my own heart. We can't put expectations on others. They aren't us and their reactor isn't the same as ours. They're their own person.

So I haven't stopped doing nice things for others, but I'm more wise now and I'm more patient now. I've learned a lot about my own character flaws and it helps to be stretched by God and He helps you to look at things in a different light.

So within my limitations, with a lot of my life lived in my recliner chair, I do a lot of reading and online bible study.

So when I share with others here at CC, I'm actually sharing what I'm learning through my bible studies. Much of what I learn I have acted on and am changing because God is using my studies to change my heart. But I also fail along the way - I'm being sanctified each and every day as you all are.

I've been in a lot of churches and some of them are very shallow and some are very grounded in the word of God. Growth is encouraged, sin is spoken about, repentance is required in some of them. Others were more of a feel good kind of church. Sin wan't spoken of and the focus wasn't on spiritual growth. I realize we all come from different points of view and different denominations.

If I've offended anyone by what I said, if what I've said isn't the word of God, please correct me where I've said something wrong. It would be greatly appreciated.

I'm not holier than you. In fact I don't know you at all. I can't make judgements against you or for you. I can only respond to what's written. If I've overstepped please accept my sincere apology.
 
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NewWine

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I wonder sometimes, if those things that bother us, like being slighted when we hold a door open for someone struggling, or when do something nice for someone who doesn't appreciate it, or even misunderstandings in this forum, is for OUR benefit. Yes it hurts and makes us feel the struggle, but because of those times, I go out of my way to thank someone for kindness now. So through my pain and "feeling the struggle" times, I have grown. Maybe that's the purpose of people not reacting the way we think they should; our growth? I dunno. It annoys me too, and probably always will, but being annoyed hasn't stopped me from doing what's kind,yet.
 
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I wonder sometimes, if those things that bother us, like being slighted when we hold a door open for someone struggling, or when do something nice for someone who doesn't appreciate it, or even misunderstandings in this forum, is for OUR benefit. Yes it hurts and makes us feel the struggle, but because of those times, I go out of my way to thank someone for kindness now. So through my pain and "feeling the struggle" times, I have grown. Maybe that's the purpose of people not reacting the way we think they should; our growth? I dunno. It annoys me too, and probably always will, but being annoyed hasn't stopped me from doing what's kind,yet.
Very astute. It is said that the best person to help another get through something traumatic in their lives is someone who has already been through the same thing themselves.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Sometimes it's exhausting to overthink about the motivations of people why they do what they do. It's better to focus on your own intentions. Because most of the time, we are wrong when we assume about the intentions of others. Even when I focus on my intentions, I can't help getting angry sometimes over little things when I am having a bad day or when I am hungry. Lol! So its the same with others who are being mean, that's why we need to be more considerate.

All things are blessings. The things we consider bad are blessings in disguise. So when I get irritated during a delay in traffic, I just think that I am where I am supposed to be, who knows God is purposely delaying me to avoid an accident. It makes me calm.
 

Blain

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I wonder sometimes, if those things that bother us, like being slighted when we hold a door open for someone struggling, or when do something nice for someone who doesn't appreciate it, or even misunderstandings in this forum, is for OUR benefit. Yes it hurts and makes us feel the struggle, but because of those times, I go out of my way to thank someone for kindness now. So through my pain and "feeling the struggle" times, I have grown. Maybe that's the purpose of people not reacting the way we think they should; our growth? I dunno. It annoys me too, and probably always will, but being annoyed hasn't stopped me from doing what's kind,yet.
I wonder if you have even the slightest idea the amount of wisdom you showed in this post here :)
 
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NewWine

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Thanks :) That was kind of you to say.
 
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'Let the words of my mouth and the meditations of my heart, be acceptable
in Thy sight, Oh Lord, my Strength and my Redeemer.'
 

Tinkerbell725

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This thread reminded me of a story....


TOUCHING STORY :

A King had a male servant who, in all circumstances always said to him; My king, do not be discouraged because everything God does is perfect, no mistakes.

One day, they went hunting and a wild animal attacked the king, the servant managed to kill the animal but couldn't prevent his majesty from losing a finger. Furious and without showing gratitude, the King said; if God was good, I would not have been attacked and lost one finger.

The servant replied, 'despite all these things, I can only tell you that God is good and everything He does is perfect, He is never wrong'. Outraged by the response, the king ordered the arrest of his servant. While being taken to prison, he told the king again, God is Good & Perfect. Another day, the king left alone for another hunt and was captured by savages who use human beings for sacrifice.

On the altar, the savages found out that the king didn't have one finger in place, he was released because he was considered not "complete" to be offered to the gods. On his return to the palace, he ordered the release of his servant and said; My friend, God was really good to me. I was almost killed but for lack of a single finger, I was let go.

But I have a question; If God is so good, why did He allow me to put you in prison? His servant replied; My king, if I had not been put in prison, I would have gone with you, and would have been sacrificed, because I have no missing finger.

Everything God does is perfect, He is never wrong. Often we complain about life, and the negative things that happen to us, forgetting that everything happens for a purpose.
 

Lenardzw

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Opening doors and letting people through in traffic, are just two examples of things I do often and when these are done for me, I thank the people concerned. I am aware that people are different and many times I have been irked by peoples lack of courtesy. I then have to do some "letting go" right there and then. For me its a lesson in humility.

I remember standing in a supermarket line one afternoon. This young lady was buying a few items and it turned out that she was short of cash. So as she was trying to decide what to let go of so the cashier could call his supervisor to void that item, a lady just in front of me looked at the screen and paid the shortfall. It was something like $2.00. The girl just packed her stuff up (now that it was paid for) and without even looking up - started to walk away. The cashier got angry and called her back telling her that she was ungrateful. The lady who paid just said that it was okay and chose to let this lack of gratitude go. She turned to the cashier and said that she did it for "the baby" as there were a few baby products in the girls shopping.
i have to be honest, even I felt anger rising up but if the lady who paid was willing to look past this who was I to get upset? Another humble lesson: Just do good.
 

Lenardzw

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This thread reminded me of a story....


TOUCHING STORY :

A King had a male servant who, in all circumstances always said to him; My king, do not be discouraged because everything God does is perfect, no mistakes.

One day, they went hunting and a wild animal attacked the king, the servant managed to kill the animal but couldn't prevent his majesty from losing a finger. Furious and without showing gratitude, the King said; if God was good, I would not have been attacked and lost one finger.

The servant replied, 'despite all these things, I can only tell you that God is good and everything He does is perfect, He is never wrong'. Outraged by the response, the king ordered the arrest of his servant. While being taken to prison, he told the king again, God is Good & Perfect. Another day, the king left alone for another hunt and was captured by savages who use human beings for sacrifice.

On the altar, the savages found out that the king didn't have one finger in place, he was released because he was considered not "complete" to be offered to the gods. On his return to the palace, he ordered the release of his servant and said; My friend, God was really good to me. I was almost killed but for lack of a single finger, I was let go.

But I have a question; If God is so good, why did He allow me to put you in prison? His servant replied; My king, if I had not been put in prison, I would have gone with you, and would have been sacrificed, because I have no missing finger.

Everything God does is perfect, He is never wrong. Often we complain about life, and the negative things that happen to us, forgetting that everything happens for a purpose.
I love this story!!!!!
 
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Opening doors and letting people through in traffic, are just two examples of things I do often and when these are done for me, I thank the people concerned. I am aware that people are different and many times I have been irked by peoples lack of courtesy. I then have to do some "letting go" right there and then. For me its a lesson in humility.

I remember standing in a supermarket line one afternoon. This young lady was buying a few items and it turned out that she was short of cash. So as she was trying to decide what to let go of so the cashier could call his supervisor to void that item, a lady just in front of me looked at the screen and paid the shortfall. It was something like $2.00. The girl just packed her stuff up (now that it was paid for) and without even looking up - started to walk away. The cashier got angry and called her back telling her that she was ungrateful. The lady who paid just said that it was okay and chose to let this lack of gratitude go. She turned to the cashier and said that she did it for "the baby" as there were a few baby products in the girls shopping.
i have to be honest, even I felt anger rising up but if the lady who paid was willing to look past this who was I to get upset? Another humble lesson: Just do good.
I guess when we get told we just don't have a right relationship with God if we experience those feelings, then we can also chalk that up to another lesson in humility.
 

Lenardzw

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I guess when we get told we just don't have a right relationship with God if we experience those feelings, then we can also chalk that up to another lesson in humility.
Lol. I hear you brother! To me that mindset lacks an understanding of the fact that growth can come from recognizing those feelings and learning to manage them. The day I stop having these emotions would be one when I'm either dead or have been transformed into my new eternal - "better than Brad n Denzel body" (whichever comes first). While I'm in this life I will have to learn to master my emotions(with the Spirits help) especially when I feel slighted or unappreciated.

"You did a good thing back there in that doorway. I like that! However, I'm less concerned with her thankless indifference than I am with your unwillingness to let this go." What if the Lord has to say this to me?