Covid Fear Propaganda

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,555
9,067
113
#81
Does anyone still think the Covid lockdowns are about the virus?

This is the exact sick dystopian nightmare that is the basis for countless books and movies that we once thought were interesting to watch, but could never happen in real life.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

Senior Member
Dec 20, 2017
9,382
5,721
113
#82
Vaccinated Workers Are Getting Benefits That Those Without Covid Shots Won’t
Israel’s new rules show how the world will be much smaller for those without vaccines.
By
Alisa Odenheimer
,
Emily Cadman
, and
Katharine Gemmell
4 March 2021, 13:39 GMT
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...fe-will-change-for-people-who-don-t-get-shots

If you’ve got a green pass on your wrist showing you’ve been vaccinated, the office is your oyster at Israeli cybersecurity company Check Point Software Technologies Ltd.

f you don’t have proof of either vaccination or recent recovery from Covid-19, however, work is a little more bleak. No using the facilities. Eat only at your desk, instead of with your co-workers. By April, you will have to show a negative Covid test before being allowed into the building.


“We’re not shaming anyone. We’re not pointing fingers. We are just saying, ‘This will be our policy,’” company spokesman Gil Messing said. “If you get the vaccination, you get benefits that others do not.”

As the country with the highest vaccination penetration rate on the globe, Israeli businesses are the first to grapple with thorny issues about those who decide to refuse vaccines. There’s increasing talk of similar practices around the world as people in more nations get vaccinated.

The questions aren’t just about who gets to travel or sit in a movie theater. Businesses are considering whether to require employees to get vaccinated to continue working. In New York, a waitress was already fired by her restaurant after refusing to immediately take the vaccine.

In Israel, business are being assisted by a system being rolled out by the government that allows access to gyms, theaters and restaurants for vaccinated people or those recently recovering from the virus. Other countries are considering similar measures that would create a two-tiered social structure, blocking unvaccinated people from some everyday activities in an attempt to both get life back to normal and encourage people to get the vaccine.

U.S. President Joe Biden in January ordered members of his cabinet to assess the feasibility of creating an electronic vaccine certificate. New York is starting to test a system at sports venues like Madison Square Garden and the Barclays Center. In the U.K., Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government is reviewing the use of a domestic vaccination pass, though conclusions aren’t expected until June.

Discussions are far less advanced in places like Australia and Hong Kong where the virus is well under control and activities like eating out are already possible — albeit with a mandatory QR code sign in. For China and much of Asia, the main focus is whether vaccine passports might be able to jumpstart international travel.

Proof of vaccination has been a cross-border requirement in some form for years, notably for yellow fever. What is unusual is the idea of restricting everyday activities at home or at work depending on your vaccination status.

Right now, Check Point’s policy applies just to its 2,400 employees in Israel, but it may become a template for its locations in 60 other countries worldwide, Messing said. The company estimates that less than 10% of its Israeli employees aren’t vaccinated, and they’ve only heard complaints about their policies from about three or four people, he said.

Oshi Nidam, 39, a purchasing manager at Check Point, says he feels more confident seeing people with the green bracelets while sitting in meetings or walking down the hallway. “You feel you are more safe, you feel that your health is not in danger,” he said. “I don’t know everyone personally at Check Point, but I didn’t hear of anyone who has had a negative feeling about it.”

In the U.S., most of Check Point’s employees aren’t even eligible yet for the vaccine, Messing said.

Still, companies are trying to figure out how to get workers back in the office — quickly, and safely. In the U.S., employers generally can require people to be vaccinated, but they have to make some exceptions for workers such as those with disabilities, according to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon said he wouldn’t require employees to get the vaccine, instead using carrots and sticks. “It’s hard to make it mandatory,” he said. “There are laws about that.”

Read More: What Are Vaccine Passports and How Would They Work?

Israel is working on laws to determine what companies can require. Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that some employees who don’t want to get the vaccine feel harassed and ostracized.

“We are in an unusual and extreme situation,” said Nachum Feinberg, a prominent employment attorney in Israel. “Uncharted territory that hasn’t been explored by labor law in the past.”

Some say employers shouldn’t always have a right to ask about vaccination status. Amir Fuchs, a senior researcher at the Israel Democracy Institute, said it would be understandable in some professions, but there shouldn’t be a blanket permit for employers to question their workers on vaccination, which is a matter of medical privacy.

Things seem to be more straightforward in the travel industry. U.K.-based Saga Cruises is requiring all guests to be vaccinated 14 days before sailing. In Australia, Qantas Airways Ltd.’s Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce says vaccination will be a necessity for its international passengers and is likely to become a pre-boarding requirement around the globe.

In the U.K., a recent poll suggested that while Britons were strongly supportive of vaccine passports in principle, agreement broke down when asked whether they should be compulsory for pub visits.

Experts worry that we don’t yet know how long the vaccine-induced immunity will be good for. The Israeli government’s “green pass” system is valid for about six months, starting a week after the second dose of a two-shot vaccine.

“The utility of a vaccine passport is only as good as the evidence of how long the immunity lasts,” said David Salisbury, formerly director of immunization at the U.K. Department of Health and now an associate fellow at think tank Chatham House. “You could find yourself with a stamp in your passport that lasts longer than the antibodies in your blood.”

In a sign of the sensitivity of the topic the British Retail Consortium and the British Beer and Pub Association declined to comment on the topic. Two people familiar with the industry’s thinking though said that while members would welcome anything that helped the country open up quicker, they were worried about the potential for a legal and logistical nightmare.

Menachem Engel, 33, was able to use his government-issued green pass recently to avoid a long wait at the tax office in his northern Israel town of Tzfat. He wasn’t vaccinated, but he and his family caught the virus in January — making them ineligible for the jab, but eligible for the pass.

Engel has seen some resentment from people who are cut out of some activities. But he also thinks the pressure will prompt more people to get the shot.

“It may push people to get the vaccine, even people who are against it, just because we’re continuing on with our life and they’re not able to,” he said. “It’s going to become a regular, normal part of life — for now.”













You can get treatments at the hair salon on the second floor, use the on-site gym and access game rooms with Playstations, billiards and ping pong tables, among other perks.
 

shittim

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2016
13,740
7,741
113
#83
In America it is my understanding a vaccination cannot be required of there is an effective treatment and there is. Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin.