I found this question at another site and this was my reply. What's your opinion? I answered with NO. I read that Satan was ejected from heaven because he essentially fell in love with himself. He began with I want, I need, Ican, etc. until the creation became more important than the creator. This is how man is too. Does God hate us? No. Satan has the purpose of TEMPTING mankind by which our sins are our own responsiblity. God does not hate his creations just the things done by them.We will all be judged for our own sins, Satan included. Any other opinions out there?
Does God hate the devil?
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R
I do believe that the punishment for all sin is the same in the end, death. But I did read about there being some greater ones, like when Paul said their is a sin to death and one not, or something like that.
Either way, sin is sin, and it will be judged by a righteous God.
God hates sin, mainly because it is against his nature, and plus, it destroys his creation.
The same way a parent would be angry if their children kept doing things to hurt themselves, despite good teaching.
Because God is good, sin is exceedingly sinful. I do not say I am good, because the measure of good is God himself. But the Lord did show me how sinful I was, and when I saw it, sin did become exceedingly sinful.
I kept wondering about certain ones, like lying. I asked him why lying is so bad. And he showed me. And recently I wondered why lust was so bad, and he showed me.
But, the first thing he showed me very clearly is where sin comes from. It comes from the heart. Jesus showed us the issues in us when he said that anyone who is angry without cause is the same as a murderer. Anyone who looks after a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. Same for women. Knowing this, it was clear to me, that anyone who covets is the same as a thief and a fornicator.
It goes on this way, so that anyone who is rebellious is partaking in the same wickedness as those who practice witchcraft.
Recently, someone tried to get me to look at a movie, and I thought it would be fine. But when I tell you that my very soul was depressed within the first few minutes, it was. I felt like I had eaten something poisonous. It was very offensive to me. It made me sad.
However. It is also written that were sin abounds grace does much more abound. Once a person sees that they are guilty, and cry out for mercy, Jesus meets them there with grace. That is the gospel.
May Jesus bless you.
Either way, sin is sin, and it will be judged by a righteous God.
God hates sin, mainly because it is against his nature, and plus, it destroys his creation.
The same way a parent would be angry if their children kept doing things to hurt themselves, despite good teaching.
Because God is good, sin is exceedingly sinful. I do not say I am good, because the measure of good is God himself. But the Lord did show me how sinful I was, and when I saw it, sin did become exceedingly sinful.
I kept wondering about certain ones, like lying. I asked him why lying is so bad. And he showed me. And recently I wondered why lust was so bad, and he showed me.
But, the first thing he showed me very clearly is where sin comes from. It comes from the heart. Jesus showed us the issues in us when he said that anyone who is angry without cause is the same as a murderer. Anyone who looks after a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. Same for women. Knowing this, it was clear to me, that anyone who covets is the same as a thief and a fornicator.
It goes on this way, so that anyone who is rebellious is partaking in the same wickedness as those who practice witchcraft.
Recently, someone tried to get me to look at a movie, and I thought it would be fine. But when I tell you that my very soul was depressed within the first few minutes, it was. I felt like I had eaten something poisonous. It was very offensive to me. It made me sad.
However. It is also written that were sin abounds grace does much more abound. Once a person sees that they are guilty, and cry out for mercy, Jesus meets them there with grace. That is the gospel.
May Jesus bless you.
B
God doesn't hate? Psalm 5:5 Therefore, the proud may not stand in your presence, for you hate all who do evil. Jeremiah 12:8 My inheritance has become to me like a lion in the forest. She roars at me; therefore I hate her. Psalm 38:1-3 O LORD, rebuke me not in your wrath: neither chasten me in your hot displeasure! For your arrows have pierced me, and your hand has come down upon me. Because of your wrath there is no health in my body; my bones have no soundness because of my sin. Romans 9:13 Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Malachi 1:3 "but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
R
You know, when I realized how good was, I realized how evil I was. The more I learn about his goodness, the more ways I see I fall short.
One thing I know for sure is that any of my ideas, which for the most part are shaped by the world, are not good concerning his ideas. One idea we have as humans is ideas about what is good and what is bad. But men have no right to judge what is good and what is bad. God has every right, because he is good, and anything that is not as he is is bad.
If I sin a sin, I will not say, ''God made me that way,'' but I would rather say, ''OH HOW WICKED MY FLESH IS!!''
What men call good is not good, and what men call bad is not the least of the story.
Some say it is bad to kill, but those same people say it is okay to be angry
Some say it is bad to steal, but those same men say it is okay to covet
Some say it is bad to commit adultery (although many still think that is even fine), but they also say it is okay to lust.
The standard of good is God and his law. All have fallen short of it, and many interpret it to justify their sins.
Satan is wicked (twisted), so anything good he twists. In the same way, wicked people twist what is good (the law), and make it bad. Or people twist scriptures and make it say what they want it to say, to justify sin, instead of repenting.
The wrath of men does not work the righteousness of God. God is love and patient, else he would have destroyed you in your own wickedness right away, but he spared. Our idea of hate is not righteous, but God's is. Only God can justly hate. Not you, and not me. Not any man.
Our idea of hate is not his idea of hate. Neither is our idea of love his idea of love. But once we have a new mind in Christ, we can understand his ways, and know his voice, and the voice of a stranger we will not follow.
(I think this is also more of a response to the Huldah also. )
May Jesus bless you.
One thing I know for sure is that any of my ideas, which for the most part are shaped by the world, are not good concerning his ideas. One idea we have as humans is ideas about what is good and what is bad. But men have no right to judge what is good and what is bad. God has every right, because he is good, and anything that is not as he is is bad.
If I sin a sin, I will not say, ''God made me that way,'' but I would rather say, ''OH HOW WICKED MY FLESH IS!!''
What men call good is not good, and what men call bad is not the least of the story.
Some say it is bad to kill, but those same people say it is okay to be angry
Some say it is bad to steal, but those same men say it is okay to covet
Some say it is bad to commit adultery (although many still think that is even fine), but they also say it is okay to lust.
The standard of good is God and his law. All have fallen short of it, and many interpret it to justify their sins.
Satan is wicked (twisted), so anything good he twists. In the same way, wicked people twist what is good (the law), and make it bad. Or people twist scriptures and make it say what they want it to say, to justify sin, instead of repenting.
The wrath of men does not work the righteousness of God. God is love and patient, else he would have destroyed you in your own wickedness right away, but he spared. Our idea of hate is not righteous, but God's is. Only God can justly hate. Not you, and not me. Not any man.
Our idea of hate is not his idea of hate. Neither is our idea of love his idea of love. But once we have a new mind in Christ, we can understand his ways, and know his voice, and the voice of a stranger we will not follow.
(I think this is also more of a response to the Huldah also. )
May Jesus bless you.
Is it really the being that God hates or the evil that is done. For Christ said to love thine enemies, to hate evil but not the person that does evil. How much is actually God's words or mans interpretaion of it? God chastizes those he loves. Wrath isn't hate but lessons to be learned. There is a reason I don't back my statements with verse and chapter. It's so that ALL who read what I write will refute my claims with verse and chapter. Go back to direct translations. Can the word hate sometimes be translated as dissaprove of? What are some of the other translations from the original texts? Jesus taught love not hate. Were Christ and God one in the flesh? Study, knock and seek. The God of the Old Testament IS the God of the New Testament. All things were created by God for God. Satan is God's tool to tempt mankind. The evil of the world isn't Satan's but ours. We are expected to be mature enough to accept resposibility for our own sin, overcome with the truth (word/Bible), repent and come boldly forth in truth. It is in this way that it isn't considered sin to be equal with God (in his word). God bless you.
Huldah
Huldah
R
God gives every person and opportunity to repent. His love was extended to all men when he gave his son Jesus to die for them. For you and I. To forgive us of our sins, and to provide the way of righteousness. But how will someone repent if they don't see the need to? This was the error of the Pharisees and the Saducees and the scribes. They didn't want the righteousness of God, but their own.
Yes, people end up in hell by REJECTING his love. People choose to go there. They choose death, when God said CHOOSE LIFE!
People also have a funny way of showing they love God, they don't obey his commands, and continue in sin.
If you choose sin, you choose hell, if you choose righteousness you choose eternal life through Jesus Christ.
This is why people must repent of sin, and follow Jesus Christ. He is the only way to be saved, because only his words are the words of eternal life.
God loved the world, and that is why he gave his son to die. But the world hated him, that is why they killed his Son, Jesus Christ. And for what? Nothing at all, but that he was good and the whole world lay in iniquity.
The message is this, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
May Jesus bless you.
Yes, people end up in hell by REJECTING his love. People choose to go there. They choose death, when God said CHOOSE LIFE!
People also have a funny way of showing they love God, they don't obey his commands, and continue in sin.
If you choose sin, you choose hell, if you choose righteousness you choose eternal life through Jesus Christ.
This is why people must repent of sin, and follow Jesus Christ. He is the only way to be saved, because only his words are the words of eternal life.
God loved the world, and that is why he gave his son to die. But the world hated him, that is why they killed his Son, Jesus Christ. And for what? Nothing at all, but that he was good and the whole world lay in iniquity.
The message is this, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
May Jesus bless you.
God loves even the people in hell. It's by free will and free choice that we chose to accept God, obey his word and know the truth. God will not lead us to sin--the way out is with the truth--but God will not stop us from sinning--free will. He expects us to be more mature (ripe) than most people realize. There is a lot more that rests upon our decisions than most people think. You recieve what you give. We're sometimes too wrapped up in self to see a bigger picture. You get back what you give. If it feels as if God hasn't given love or done much for you, then try plucking "I"--I want, I need---and go for giving to others. Try by placing others BEFORE yourself and see what happens. Stop thinking and worrying so much about self and know that if you are doing what God has commanded of you then you will be clothed, housed, fed, healed and protected. Know it and own it without doubt. To doubt God is the same as saying that he has lied to you. We forget the God can also feel hurt, betrayed and rejected. Would this anger you? It would hurt wouldn't it? God bless you
Huldah
Huldah
Romans 9:11-13
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
