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Jruiz

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God says he says call no man a fool,but he does...God says thou shall not kill but he kills...god says dont repay evil
For evil but God has wrath....out of no where I feel like I'm losing faith again! How can someone explain this
 
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God says he says call no man a fool,but he does...God says thou shall not kill but he kills...god says dont repay evil
For evil but God has wrath....out of no where I feel like I'm losing faith again! How can someone explain this
Who does God kills ?

Where in the bible God wrath is evil ?

Is justice and judgement evil ?
 

Jruiz

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The Flood(Noah),Sodom and Gomorrah, every first born first child in Egypt.... There's several.

It doesn't say Gods wrath is evil...but if killing is considered evil(wicked)

I'm sure children got caught up in the flood and drowned...is that just?
 
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The Flood(Noah),Sodom and Gomorrah, every first born first child in Egypt.... There's several.

It doesn't say Gods wrath is evil...but if killing is considered evil(wicked)

I'm sure children got caught up in the flood and drowned...is that just?
This is Just as long as God orders it
God instructed Saul through the prophet Samuel to “go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey” (1 Samuel 15:3-4, emp. added). Other examples include the period of the Israelite conquest of Canaan in which God instructed the people to exterminate the Canaanite populations that occupied Palestine at the time
 
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The Flood(Noah),Sodom and Gomorrah, every first born first child in Egypt.... There's several.

It doesn't say Gods wrath is evil...but if killing is considered evil(wicked)

I'm sure children got caught up in the flood and drowned...is that just?
1 KINGS 3

11 And God said unto him, Because thou hast asked this thing, and hast not asked for thyself long life; neither hast asked riches for thyself, nor hast asked the life of thine enemies; but hast asked for thyself understanding to discern judgment;.
12 Behold, I have done according to thy words: lo, I have given thee a wise and an understanding heart; so that there was none like thee before thee, neither after thee shall any arise like unto thee.
 
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The Flood(Noah),Sodom and Gomorrah, every first born first child in Egypt.... There's several.

It doesn't say Gods wrath is evil...but if killing is considered evil(wicked)

I'm sure children got caught up in the flood and drowned...is that just?
i am sure babies would be thrown into the lake of fire
 

posthuman

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God says he says call no man a fool,but he does...God says thou shall not kill but he kills...god says dont repay evil
For evil but God has wrath....out of no where I feel like I'm losing faith again! How can someone explain this

why does Christ say to call no one a fool? because He also said to consider yourself everyone's servant.
why does God command us not to murder? because God says "
vengeance is mine"
why does Jesus say not to repay evil for evil? because God is the judge, not us, and He has shown us grace!

all judgement belongs to the Son of God. it is God alone that gives wisdom and understanding, and justice is in His hands.
the reason He tells us to love mercy and forbear condemning people is because these things are His authority to do, not ours, because we are man and He is God - and He's shown us mercy.
because we should love as He loved us - and be patient, as He is patient with the world until that day.

that's how i understand it :)
 
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crossnote

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Our sin-His death,
His Grace-Our Life
 
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God says he says call no man a fool,but he does...God says thou shall not kill but he kills...god says dont repay evil
For evil but God has wrath....out of no where I feel like I'm losing faith again! How can someone explain this
God warns us about the effects of sin and allows death to happen so that we may come into our senses and realize that He is the Life and that we need Him in order to live. He does not kill, He allows sufferance, calamities and death to purify us from our idolatry/egolatry and remind us that we are His children and that we are heading to self-destruction when we chose sin over Him.

He wants to remind us that this world is not the ultimate reality. Remember when the rich man looked at his fortune and was satisfied with himself? God called him a fool because the rich man put his happiness in his fortune and forgot about his death. We all die and yet we idolize ourselves, our cars, our houses, our persona, our clothing style, our fortunes, our jobs, our political and religious concepts, we idolize pretty much everything. Instead of putting our hopes in eternal and absolute values, we put our hopes in the goodies and beauties of this world. And God reminds us that these goodies and beauties will putrefy and they don't come with us in the after life. God wants to free us from our illusions, passions and ambitions that end up with us, in the grave.

When we call our brothers fools, we do it out of anger and in order to insult them, not to help them. We belittle them. This is forbidden. Jesus Christ was speaking in a context when he said not to call our brothers fools. Christ raised the commandment "thou shall not kill" to a higher level. We can kill people not only with guns, but also with our tongues. So, before yelling mean words to our neighbors we should keep in mind that the wounds of the body heal faster while the wounds of the soul may never heal.

God doesn't have wrath. Wrath is a passion of the fallen man. The "wrath of God" from the O.T. is an anthropomorphism, aka the projection of human passions (that are typical for the fallen man) on God in order to emphasize the effects of the actions that are contrary to the law of God.

The flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah are all reminders for us (like I said before) that we are dust. We also have the seed of God in us, but we ignore it. We, crazy, stupid, fool people, we chose the dust, instead of helping the growth of the divine seed in us.

For having a better understanding of how crazy we are, I recommend you a very good song called "Laughing with" by Regina Spektor. Its lyrics talk about how our lives depend on God but we ignore Him. We only remember Him in times of need, flood, wars, disease etc.