Geocentrism

We all do it - we just don't have time on Earth to read everything. However, just to humour you, show me a link to Airy's paper, and I will read it, and I'm sure I will come to the same conclusion.

Please don't say because the original paper is unavailable or cost money to view, I'm not entitled to an opinion on the results. The results are agreed on by all (which is why reading the work is unnecessary, as opposed to the bills voted on by actors/politicians), even if the interpretations/conclusions are different.

RESET.....

HELIOS refute please
point form

do we have this figured out yet?

IS:

the earth stationary
in the center of a revolving universe ("ether" is adequate)
exactly like Genesis says
?

lol this basically sums up conspiracy 'research' in a nutshell...conspiracy theorists simply don't do their homework...they don't feel the need to bother because conspiracy theorists are -intellectually lazy-

a good example is the way two of the conspiracy theorists who post on this forum don't even read their own sources much of the time...like when i had to tell you what the article -you yourself posted- about the lunar eclipse actually said...

yes zone...most of the world except for you has this figured out already...

the earth is not stationary...and the bible doesn't teach that it is...but some people just don't care about the truth...they have an agenda to promote...

"Wavelength of the light that we receive from objects moving relative to us becomes a little shorter (bluer) when we approach the source and becomes longer (redder) when we move away from the source. The Doppler Effect. When Earth moves toward a star, the star will appear slightly bluer (only high-tech instruments can measure this) while it will appear redder when Earth is on the other side of the orbit and moves in the opposite direction. This effect proves that Earth has a velocity relative to the stars, similar to aberration. "

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"Space travel of probes has confirmed beyond any possible doubt the order of the planets and the fact that they all revolve around the central Sun. The mission of space probes depends upon highly advanced mathematical computations to fly past or land upon planets and moons in our Solar System. The order of the Solar System with the Sun in the middle cannot be denied with todays technology."

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Heliocentric evidence? - Yahoo Answers

A Navigational Analogy for Metaphysics

© 2001 James M. Maloney

Ptolemy's "geocentric universe" envisioned the Earth at the center of the universe, with the Sun, the
Moon, the planets and the stars all revolving around it. Over the course of several centuries (and at the cost of
several lives), it came to be recognized that the Earth, along with the other planets, revolves around the Sun.
The apparent motion of the stars around the Earth is due to the Earth's own rotation. Of all the natural celestial
bodies, only the Moon revolves around the Earth. Yet from our vantage point on the Earth's surface, Ptolemy's
explanation appears correct.

Despite the very refined understanding that we now possess about the actual motions of the Earth,
Moon, Sun, planets and stars, the geocentric model still has valid application in at least one area: celestial
navigation.

Celestial navigation allows a navigator to determine his or her geographical position from timed
observations of celestial bodies, including the Sun, the Moon, and certain stars and planets. In order for the
observation to be useful, it must not only be made with a precision instrument (usually a sextant) but the precise
time the observation is taken must also be known. Based on the time, essential information about the celestial
body being observed is made available to the navigator by means of tables that are commercially available.
The geocentric (Ptolemy) model is the means by which the information in the tables is conveyed. The
tables are devised around a hypothetical construct called the "celestial sphere," on which all the celestial bodies
are located, equidistant from the Earth. The whole sphere is envisioned as rotating around the Earth, so that the
celestial bodies in question have a set of coordinates assigned to them at any given time that will enable the
navigator to use the information.

So, even though we know that the celestial bodies are not equidistant (the Moon is only about 200,000
miles away, while most stars are light years distant) and even though we know that none of those bodies except
the Moon actually revolve around the Earth, it makes sense, in practical terms, to envision the Universe as
geocentric and to act upon a false assumption: the celestial sphere.

https://files.nyu.edu/jmm257/public/celestial/mystic-navigator.pdf

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Aircraft and ships use celestial navigation based on the positions of the sun, moon, planets and stars, to determine their position on (or above) the surface of the earth. This is why we teach it to aircraft pilots and ship captains.
- Source: Celestial Navigation instructor, for US Navy and US Merchant Marine

How can it be considered an "incorrect model" if sailors and astronomers have been using it successfully for thousands of years?

oh well....apparently i have an àgenda` (gasp!)...so examining two theories IS OUTRAGEOUS.

"According to Einstein, the argument over whether the earth turns around or the heavens revolve around it, is seen to be no more than an argument over the choice of reference frames. There is no frame of reference from which an observer would not see the effects of the flattening of the poles. Thus in frame number 1 (the earth turns round while the sky is at rest), the centrifugal force is a consequence of the earth’s motion (uniform acceleration) relative to the heavens. This causes the flattening. In the latter frame, number 2 (the sky rotates and the earth stands still), the centrifugal force should be understood as being an effect of “the rotating heavens,” which is generating a gravitational field that causes the flattening of the poles. The two explanations are equivalent as there is equivalence between inertial and gravitational mass."

- “Einstein’s Ether: D. Rotational Motion of the Earth,” Galina Granek, Department of Philosophy, Haifa University, Mount Carmel, Haifa 31905, Israel, Apeiron, Vol. 8, No. 2, April 2001, p. 61.

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Everyone knows that the ancient idea of Earth in the center of the universe is a ridiculous holdover from a superstitious age, right? Modern science has proven that we are nothing special! We inhabit, in Carl Sagan's words, "....an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people."

Well....prepare to be shocked!

"The Principle", destined to become one of the most controversial films of our time, brings before the public eye astonishing results from recent large-scale surveys of our universe- surveys which disclose unexpected evidence of a preferred direction in the cosmos, aligned with our supposedly insignificant Earth.

Set for theatrical release in Spring 2014, "The Principle" includes narration by Kate Mulgrew ("Star Trek Voyager", "Orange Is The New Black", and "Ryan's Hope"), stunning animations by BUF Compagnie Paris ("Life of Pi", "Thor"), and commentary from prominent scientists including George Ellis, Michio Kaku, Julian Barbour, Lawrence Krauss, and Max Tegmark.

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But the main reason for believing in an ensemble of universes is that it could explain why the laws governing our Universe appear to be so finely tuned for our existence. [...]This fine-tuning has two possible explanations. Either the Universe was designed specifically for us by a creator or there is a multitude of universes--a "multiverse".

- Marcus Chown, New Scientist, 06 June 1998.

The Copernican Principle is similarly flexible: When conjuring habitable planets, it assumes ours is one among countless winners. Yet when conjuring a multiverse, it assumes that our universe is a lonely winner among countless flops. The choice seems to depend on which assumption is required as a defense against design. That feature, as we shall see, can once again transform speculation into orthodoxy.

- Denyse O'Leary, Evolution News and Views

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ASSOCIATION FOR BIBLICAL ASTRONOMY
Home of The Biblical Astronomer

Of all the sciences, the Holy Bible has more to say about astronomy than any other. The Scripture speaks of the sun, moon, stars, the host of heaven, planets, and constellations. It talks about the heavens, the firmament, and tells us that the lights in the sky were made for the earth, for man, to give light by day and by night, to serve as signs, and to determine the seasons. The ancients, particularly the Jews, claim Adam as the first astronomer. They number Seth, Enoch, Shem, and Abraham among the greatest ancient astronomers. Major astronomical themes occur in Genesis, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, Job, Psalms, Amos, Luke, Hebrews, 1 & 2 Peter, Jude, and Revelation.

This site is devoted to the historical relationship between the Bible and astronomy. It assumes that whenever the two are at variance, it is always astronomy—that is, our "reading" of the "Book of Nature," not our reading of the Holy Bible—that is wrong. History bears consistent witness to the truth of that stance. In the case for Geocentricity, for instance, every experiment designed to measure the speed of the earth through space has always returned a speed of zero, just as the Bible claimed all along.

Geocentricity

Psa 93:1 The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Psalms

19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun, 19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. 19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.


(Isaiah 38:8) Behold, I will bring again the shadow of the degrees, which is gone down in the sun dial of Ahaz, ten degrees backward. So the sun returned ten degrees, by which degrees it was gone down.


(Malachi 4:2) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.


(Genesis 1:16) And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

(Genesis 1:17) And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

He SET them. Strongs concordance offers Set (FORTH) as one possible translation of:

נתן
nâthan
naw-than'

So, we know the moon orbits the earth. God SET it forth in its course.

He uses the same word for the SUN TOO!

(Psalms 19:4) Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set atabernacle for the sun,

(Psalms 19:5) Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

(Psalms 19:6) His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Tell me....is ANYTHING in all the heavens hidden from the heat of the sun?

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I have no doubt....from the established alternations of days and nights, that the course and revolutions of the sun, and moon, and stars, are regulated by the marvellous wisdom of God.

- John Calvin


"The truth is that God states in many places in His Word that the sun is in motion, her circuit resulting in both day and night, and that the world remains both motionless and stationary. Nowhere does God speak to the contrary, ... Since God states it to be so, it is truth and we are to embrace it as truth. Is not God the Creator, maintainer, and gover*nor of all things, who is much better acquainted with His own work than is man with his limited and darkened understanding? Should men not subject their judgment to the very sayings of God? Or should one attempt to bend and twist the clear declarations of God in such a way that they agree with our erroneous thinking? Whatever God declares, also concerning things in the realm of nature, is true. God says that the world is motionless and stationary, being circled by the sun, and thus it is a certain and incontrovertible truth."

- Wilhelmus a'Brakel, The Christian's Reasonable Service. pp. 64-66


"There was mention of a certain astrologer [the sun worshipper Copernicus] who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun, and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and the trees were moving. So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth [Jos. 10:12].”

- Martin Luther

"We know that the difference between a heliocentric theory and a geocentric theory is one of relative motion only, and that such a difference has no physical significance."

"Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is "right" and the Ptolemaic theory is "wrong" in any meaningful sense (...) Science today is locked into paradigms. Every avenue is blocked by beliefs that are wrong, and if you try to get anything published in a journal today, you will run up against a paradigm, and the editors will turn you down."

- Fred Hoyle, Nicolaus Copernicus (London: Heinemann Educational Books Ltd., 1973), p. 78.

"...Thus we may return to Ptolemy's point of view of a 'motionless earth'...One has to show that the transformed metric can be regarded as produced according to Einstein's field equations, by distant rotating masses. This has been done by Thirring. He calculated a field due to a rotating, hollow, thick-walled sphere and proved that inside the cavity it behaved as though there were centrifugal and other inertial forces usually attributed to absolute space. Thus from Einstein's point of view, Ptolemy and Corpenicus are equally right."

- Max Born,"Einstein's Theory of Relativity", Dover Publications,1962, pgs 344 & 345

…we have seen, Leibniz and Mach emphasized that the Ptolemaic geocentric system and the Copernican heliocentric system are equally valid and correct….the Copernican world view, which is usually seen as being proved to be true by Galileo and Newton….the gravitational attraction between the sun and the planets, the earth and other planets do not fall into the sun because they have an acceleration relative to the fixed stars. The distant matter in the universe exerts a force, –mgamf, on accelerated planets, keeping them in their annual orbits.

In the Ptolemaic system, the earth is considered to be at rest and without rotation in the center of the universe, while the sun, other planets and fixed stars rotate around the earth. In relational mechanics this rotation of distant matter yields the force ..... Now the gravitational attraction of the sun is balanced by a real gravitational centrifugal force due to the annual rotation of distant masses around the earth (with a component having a period of one year). In this way the earth can remain at rest and at an essentially constant distance from the sun. The diurnal rotation of distant masses around the earth (with a period of one day) yields a real gravitational centrifugal force flattening the earth at the poles. Foucault’s pendulum is explained by a real Coriolis force acting on moving masses over the earth’s surface .....The effect of this force will be to keep the plane of oscillation of the pendulum rotating together with the fixed stars.

- Andre K. T. Assis, (professor of physics at the University of Campinas - UNICAMP, in Brazil) Relational Mechanics, pp. 190-191

“The bulge of the Earth’s equator may be attributed indifferently to the Earth’s rotation or to the outward pull of the centrifugal force introduced when the Earth is regarded as non-rotating”

- Arthur Eddington, "Space, Time and Gravitation: An Outline of the General Relativity Theory", 1923, pp. 24, 41

“We might hope therefore that the Einstein theory, which is well suited to such problems, would throw more light on the matter. But instead of adding further support to the heliocentric picture of the planetary motions, the Einstein theory goes in the opposite direction, giving increased respectability to the geocentric picture”

- Sir Fred Hoyle, Nicolaus Copernicus: An Essay on His Life and Work, p. 87

poor Sir Hoyle...never had a chance to meet you rachel.