Geocentrism

This just means you're doing it VERY right. But you forgot to include something like "Protocols Adherent". LOL. That gets tossed in when I'm contending against all the drivel.

What are thoughts on the OPPT (One People's Public Trust), inaugurated last December. I'm in due-dilligence mode, and it's either the answer to ousting the Zionist bankers, UN, CFR, IMF, TLC, and brooming all branches of existing government by/for the people of the world as sovereigns; OR it's the other bookend that makes any other answer impossible. They're foreclosed all coroprate national entities, etc. Thoughts? oppt-in.com (and their main site), plus their FB page is pretty coherent. https://m.facebook.com/#!/OnePeoplesPublicTrust?v=timeline&filter=1&__user=1840460072

all people have to do is believe God's own account.

if He meant to say earth stand still He would have

the Catholic church held out for a long time...on all related problems.
but that's over as well, sadly.

well, they have all possibilities covered.
they need a civil war in America.

any organized resistence/whatever is already controlled.

dey gots ta get da guns.

stazis will do all the heavy lifting, like always.

as christians we are not supposed to be revolutionaries on any level.
Logos is not revolution.



wisdom and preparation are always a good thing.
which is why i love my church.

ya know?

let's continue this in the Yinon thread or another....otherwise Geo will get the stickum.

Yes, but preparedness for us down here potentially includes rescinding the long-standing deceptive dual US/USA citizenship status that's been deceptively perpetrated. It's a logos thing, not a revolution thing. I wish you knew about the OPPT and had some specific insight there.



I'm glad it fulfills you to keep blazing the trails. We part company in viewpoints at sectarianism, but that's kewl. I don't embrace any of it except the individual tenets align with truth.

Sorry for the sidebar.

Kabbalah and String Theory (1995)

Ten Dimensions

According to string theory, all of reality exists in (exactly) ten dimensions. There are four revealed dimensions (the three dimensions of space together with the fourth dimension of time) and an additional six concealed (spatial) dimensions.

In Kabbalah we are taught that God emanated from His infinite light (through the process of tzimtzum--the "contraction" of infinity) ten Divine lights or powers (sefirot) through which He created the universe. Each of these ten powers can be understood to be a "dimension" of reality. This is the ultimate reason that the Torah chooses the "perfect" number system to be the decimal system (as is said in the Torah: "The tenth shall be holy for God").

All ten dimensions are seen to be contained within the "point-string" (in the idiom of Chassidut, "a formed point" [in contrast to "an unformed point"], whose form resembles a tiny "string") of the letter yud = 10. The letter yud is the first letter of God's essential Name Havayah (whose full value equals 26, the sole other possible number of dimensions of the universe according to string theory).

The full spelling of the letter yud is: yud (10), vav (6), dalet (4). The two additional letters, the vav (6) and the dalet (4) themselves equal the original yud (10). The full spelling of the yud is thus to be understood as an equation: 10 = 6 plus 4. The 10 dimensions of reality divide into two categories, one of 6 and the other of 4.

In Kabbalah, the vav (6) is considered the "male" element of reality whereas the dalet (4) is considered the "female" element. The "female" principle of reality is "revelation" whereas the "male" principle is concealed within the "female." So is the relation, according to string theory, of the 6 concealed dimensions of reality to the 4 revealed dimensions.

The 6 (which "precede" the four) are in fact: 1 plus 2 plus 3. And so, 10 = 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4. In the terminology of Kabbalah these four stages of the Divine "evolution" of reality are referred to as: "the simple song" (1); "the double song" (2); "the triple song" (3); "the quadruple song" (4).

In the soul of man (who is "a miniature universe"), the first three concealed stages (1 plus 2 plus 3 = 6) correspond to: the power of superconscious will (1, "the simple song"); the two intellectual powers of the mind (wisdom and understanding--2, "the double song"); the three emotive powers of the heart (love, fear and mercy--3, "the triple song"). These stages are "concealed," for they are as yet unexpressed to the "other."

The fourth stage is that of the 4 "revealed" powers of the soul, which express themselves in one?s actions (and words) or patterns of behavior (conviction, commitment, devotion, speech--4, "the quadruple song." The first three of these are dimensions of "space": up-down; right-left; front-back respectively. The last is the dimension of "time").

This model of 10 = the "triangle" of 4 (= 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4) is referred to as the "evolutionary" model of reality.

The evolutionary model of reality is subsequently transformed into the "psychic" model of 3 triplets (of "right," "left" and "middle") plus 1: 10 = 3 squared 2 plus 1 (= 1 squared). This model, in contrast to the previous model, is relatively "mature." Here, the superconscious will--the "1" of the evolutionary model--becomes revealed as conscious "knowledge"--the third, middle element of the first of the 3 triplets--thereby maturing the mental powers of the soul from 2 to 3. The three mental powers then connect to the three emotive powers, which in turn connect to the three "behavioral" ("spatial") powers to equal 3 squared. The fourth, revealed dimension of time thus becomes the unique consciousness of 1 = 1 squared.

The psychic model of reality is subsequently transformed into the "Divine" model of 10 = 2 times 5 (the two prime factors of 10) = (1 squared plus 2 squared) plus (1 squared plus 2 squared). This is the model of the Ten Commandments--five on each of the two tablets of the covenant. Similarly, with regard to the Divine image imprinted on the body of man, ten fingers (or "toes") of the two hands (or two feet), the thumb = 1 squared and the remaining four fingers = 2 squared.

This final model of 10 is considered the model of "Divine Inspiration," for here the four physical dimensions of space and time become "inspired" with consciousness of a "fifth" dimension above them and present within their midst. This is the dimension that corresponds to the third of the three emotive powers of the heart, the power of mercy (or empathy). The consciousness of Divine mercy permeating all of physical reality causes the dimensions of space and time to blend together as an awareness of freely "traveling" in time. In the soul, this reflects the consummate unity of "devotion" (drive) and expression.

Just as the five lower powers (dimensions) of the soul unite to become one, so do the five higher powers. The five lower powers, now the five revealed dimensions of reality, perfectly reflect the five higher, concealed powers. The five higher powers are only concealed in relation to "outer" reality. In relation to the "inner" reality of mind and heart, these as well (in addition to the five lower powers) become revealed.

The mental power of "knowledge" elevates to unite with the source of simple faith--the ultimate "head" of the superconscious, which now becomes revealed to the inner consciousness of the soul. This dimension corresponds to the "concealed" 1 squared. The four powers (dimensions) of wisdom (the "right" power of the mind), understanding (the "left" power of the mind), love (the "right" power of the heart), fear (the "left" power of the heart) corresponds to the "concealed" 2 squared.

The String

Kabbalah teaches that the ten dimensions of reality were initially created in potentia by means of the "contraction" of God's infinite light, thereby resulting in the appearance of an "empty space" or "black hole" of "potential" being. Into this primordial "vacuum" enters a "ray" of Divine light, referred to as the "line" or "string." The primordial string "actualizes" the ten manifest dimensions of reality and continues to emanate within them the worlds of creation.

The initial revelation within the primordial vacuum is the revelation of light. In the words of the third verse of Genesis (the first explicit "saying" of creation): "And God said 'Let there be light,' and there was light." This primordial light refers to the Divine ray of light that permeates the vacuum, the Divine "string."

In Hebrew, the numerical value of the word for "string" (chut) is 23. 23 is the tenth prime number (beginning from 1). The value of "light" (or) is 207. 207 = 9 times 23. This indicates that every "photon" of the primordial light is in fact composed of a nine-fold string.

In Kabbalah we are taught that one of the primary functions of the primordial string is to "measure." Each "unit" of measure is in fact an individual string. From one initial string become emanated a multitude of strings which fill space. These strings "fold" in and out, "split" into two and our "reunited" into one. These stages most precisely reflect the imagery and terminology of modern string theory.

The "folding" process relates to the initial "world" which enclothes the ray of Divine light, known in Kabbalah as "Primordial Man." The "splitting" process relates to the subsequent "world of chaos," which split apart and broke. The "reuniting" process relates to the subsequent "world of rectification."

In the "world of rectification," the tiny "reunited" string segments give rise to full-fledged "particles" or "sparks." Each particle is in fact a "full" or "rectified" "stature," which is able to reflect the presence of its Creator.

The numerical value of the word for "particle" or "spark" (nitzotz) is 236. This is the number that our Sages (in the Midrash) identify as the "measure" of Divine "stature."

The consummate "union" of the two concepts of "string" and "particle" is represented in Kabbalah as the product of their two numerical values: 23 times 236 = 5428. The number 5428 is the sum of the five "whole number interactions" between the two numbers 6 and 4:

6 minus 4 = 2

6 plus 4 = 10

6 times 4 = 24

6 to the 4th = 1296

4 to the 6th = 4096

2 plus 10 plus 24 plus 1296 plus 4096 = 5428

(The fact that every pair of numbers gives rise to five "whole number interactions" reflects the "Divinely inspired" representation of the number 10. 10 = 2 times 5).

In the Torah, the mitzvah ("commandment," from the Hebrew root which means "to connect") which explicitly relates to "strings" is the mitzvah of tzitzit. The mitzvah of tzitzit requires that a four-cornered garment possess four strings bound to each of its corners. The four strings are folded over to produce the effect of eight strings hanging from each corner. These eight strings are bound together by 5 double knots: 2 times 5 = 10.

The purpose of the mitzvah of tzitzit, explicitly stated in the Torah, is to remind us of all the 613 mitzvot of the Torah. The mitzvah of tzitzit, is therefore considered to "weigh against" ("balance") all of the 613.

In "small number calculation" (reduction of each letter to equal 1-9), the word tzitzit (as written if the Torah) = 23 (the value of "string").

According to the Torah, there are two colors to the strings of the tzitzit, white and blue. In "small number calculation," the word for "white" (lavan) = 10. The word for "blue" (techailet) = 13. 10 plus 13 = 23 (the value of tzitzit and the value of "string"). As 23 is the tenth prime number (as mentioned above), this alludes to the fact (explained in Kabbalah and reflected in nature) that the "blue" of the tzitzit is rooted and contained within the "white."

The full value of "white" (lavan = 82) and "blue" (techailet = 850) is 932. This is the value of "the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil" (etz hada'at tov v'rah), as to be mentioned.

The two colors of the tzitzit represent the ability of the string to split into two and reunite as one. The word for "one" in Hebrew, echad, is composed of three letters whose numerical values are 1, 8, 4 (which together = 13). The "evolving" form of "one": (1) plus (1 plus 8) plus (1 plus 8 plus 4) = 23. This phenomenon indicates the power which inheres in the string (= 23) to unite reality.

Would we meditate deeper upon the multitude of laws and exact manner of binding the strings of the tzitzit, we would most certainly discover and clarify many of the deepest secrets of the universe.

Four Forces from One

The ratio 1:4 ("one to four" or "one becoming four") is one of the pillars of creation as revealed in the beginning of the Torah. We will here observe four phenomena from Genesis based upon the ratio 1:4.

The two letters alef (= 1) and dalet (= 4) form together the word for "vapor." In the beginning of creation, the "vapor" rose from the earth to moisten the earth for the sake of the creation of man.

One river flows from Eden to the garden, which thereafter, leaving the garden, divides into the four great rivers of the earth.

"The Tree of Life" (etz ha'chaim) = 233. "The Tree of Knowledge of good and evil" (etz hada'at tov v'rah) = 932. 932 = 4 times 233. Thus the ratio of the two trees is "one to four" (the "one" being the Tree of Life and the resulting "four" being the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil).

The word "good" (tov, the positive force of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil) = 17. The word "life" (chaim, of the Tree of Life) = 68. 17:68 = 1:4. The word for "life" possesses four letters. The average value of each of its letters is "good." Thus we see that the fundamental force of "life" (of the Tree of Life) is in fact the positive force of "good" (inherent in the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil). The two trees thus create an infinite cycle of Divine energy.

To conclude, the most obvious phenomenon in the Torah related to the four forces of nature deriving from one, is that God's essential Name Havayah is composed of four letters. "God is One." In the future it will become revealed that "God is One and His Name is One." "His Name" refers to the four letters of Havayah. This is the ultimate revelation of the Divine "unified field theory."

Kabbalah and String Theory < click

WARNING - EXTREME BLASPHEMY

this is Kabbalah.

many of us have been given a santized version which we call SCIENCE, and even Philosophy.

these are excerpts from a lengthy, rambling and insane discussion (any one of hundreds of thousands) of needing to "convert" non-jews to judaism, or more specifically, to RETAKE the "wisdom", or SPARKS of divinity that were dispersed to the non-divine, to the "animals".

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Torah and Science: Converting the Wisdom of the Nations - Part 2

The Divine that our Divine soul comprehends is Torah knowledge without the integration of wisdom from the nations. The natural issues that the animal soul comprehends are the points of wisdom gathered by the nations of the world. Imbuing the animal soul with the Divine soul is equal to converting the points of wisdom to Torah. The result is that our Divine soul, i.e., our study of Torah, is now enriched by new ideas that provide us with new insight both into Torah and into nature.

But, not only does teshuvah serve as the antidote to the evil inclination for people, it does so for God Himself! This is learnt from the fact that on the first day of the month, we are commanded to serve an extra sin offering on the altar.25 The reason for this sin offering is not clear from the verses. But, the sages explain that this sin offering is for God Himself, meaning it is as if we are bringing an offering as teshuvah for God.26 Why does God need to, as it were, bring a sin offering? The sages say that He is doing teshuvah for having decreased the moon’s luminosity.27 This act is considered the archetypal example of all the actions that God regrets, as it were.


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In part 1 we explained the origin of the wisdom of the nations. They are sparks of holiness that fell into mundane reality, because of the shattering of the vessels. Of course, like everything, the shattering of the vessels is not some random event without rhyme or reason. It too occurs by Divine Providence.

Why did God choose to shatter the vessels of the World of Chaos in the first place? The sages tell us that God was not content with the way things stood, and wanted to start over again.28 Before we reached our present state of reality, God created worlds (other states of being) and then shattered them. Sparks from these shattered realities scattered, some of them ending up in unlikely places in our own present reality. As incomprehensible as this may seem, earlier realities were somehow just not right. But, in our reality, everything fits together perfectly. Still, God regrets having destroyed these alternate realities, because it led to the dispersal of the sparks of holiness to impure places.

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This description of God’s regret is one of the greatest secrets of creation. Clearly, the notion that God—who is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfect—can sin, and what is more, share that sin with us, asking us to bring a sin offering on His account, is unique to Judaism. You will not find a similar description anywhere else. This is an example of how far removed from human reason the thinking of the Torah is. It requires you to believe in God as perfect and at the same time recognize that God needs to bring a sin offering.


Torah and Science: Converting the Wisdom of the Nations - Part 2 < click


where is this all leading?
this total descent into the depths of satan (claiming God sinned) is a direct result of having rejected Jesus Christ.

more on what they REALLY mean by all of this.

they see themselves as THE REPAIRERS of the WORLD, because GOD FAILED.

of course this is not the true God.

but how do they believe God failed (sinned)?

by destroying his first creations, and letting some holiness fall onto gentiles.


"Still, God regrets having destroyed these alternate realities, because it led to the dispersal of the sparks of holiness to impure places."


any idea what those impure places are?

and what really has to happen to retake all that dispersed "holiness"?

you are looking at doctrine from the deepest depths of HELL.

Islam and all that rubbish PALES in comparison to this....for one HUGE reason.

people who identify as CHRISTIANS are being lured into it.
calling evil good.

i assure you, this will lead you to the lake of fire.

figure it out.
look around the world today.

Impure = Goyim. And others bloviate their false claims of anti-Semitism if you expose all this. Ain't that nice?

I need to learn how to pick a piece of a quote and paste it rather than the whole thing. Sorry. Someone clue me in?

Anyway, I started reading your post thinking I was going to argue with you. haha. What I've ended up doing; however, is simply sit here in stupefied awe. Does this stuff actually make sense to someone? Cause whatever it's supposed to mean sure went right over my head! (This Kabbalah stuff). Honestly, this is about the weirdest thing I've ever seen written. My only response would be this:

When you say "where is this all leading? This total descent into the depths of satan (claiming God sinned) is a direct result of having rejected Jesus Christ;" I would like to add-- "which also apparently means-- a total descent into the depths of madness."

Conversion to Judaism will serve as our parable for understanding how to incorporate a piece of true wisdom from the non-Jewish world.

The first two parshahs of the Torah are of a universal nature. The setting is humanity in general. Noach was also a great scientist, he was the first to invent a plow and with that brought a measure of peace to the people of his generation. Then he was able to construct this truly tremendous structure called the ark, a structure that was able to contain all the animals—not a small feat by any measure. Noach was not Jewish; he was almost Jewish and was one of the greatest tzadikim of the generations before Abraham. In this respect, we should mention that if Adam had succeeded in his test and not eaten from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, he would have become the first Jew.

So Adam had the potential to become the first Jew. Likewise, about Noach, the Torah says that he was a righteous and sincere man, still he was not yet Jewish. The first Jew was Abraham. There were many tzadikim before Abraham, but what set Abraham apart was his self-sacrifice for his fellow men. Noach did not sacrifice himself in order to save the people of his generation. Indeed, for this reason the flood was named after Noach,2 because he did not pray and try to save his generation it is attributed to him. The first one to pray for the people of his generation was Abraham,3 even though he was not successful. The high point of self-sacrifice for others was Moses, whom we first meet when he places himself at risk to save another Jew and who later prayed that God forgive the Jewish people and succeeded in saving his generation.

Non-Jewish Wisdom

To begin, let us spend some time understanding the following famous statement made by the sages. They tell us:

Believe that the nations possess wisdom, but do not believe that they possess Torah.

On the one hand, we need to know that the non-Jewish nations have wisdom and that we should learn from this wisdom and incorporate it in some way. On the other hand, if non-Jews claim to possess Torah, this is by and by a false statement, and we are told to discredit it point blank. This is the key statement of the sages regarding the wisdom of the nations.

The first question we need to address is what is the difference between Torah and wisdom? More specifically, the Torah itself is God's wisdom. In the Zohar it says that the Torah comes from wisdom [God's wisdom]. So if some other wisdom is true, it must also have come from God. Any true wisdom is God's wisdom. So what is the difference between the two?

As with every statement of the sages, this one too has a multitude of explanations, each uncovering a deeper dimension in the sages’ wisdom.

Torah Totality vs. Points of Wisdom

Now let us explain the difference between Torah and wisdom in more depth. In their statement, the sages use the verb "Believe": "Believe that the nations possess wisdom." The way that this verb is written in Hebrew can be understand as either passive—as we have translated it so far (this is the literal translation)—or a call for action, which would render the translation: “Bring the wisdom of the nations into belief.” In other words, you should not simply passively believe that there is wisdom in the nations, but you should act to discover how the wisdom that the nations possess can become a foundation for belief. This is like bringing the wisdom of the nations under the wings of faith, because the most important thing that it lacks is faith, as we explained. This should be the underlying goal of the Jewish people's relationship with the wisdom of the nations.

Incorporating Points of Wisdom into the Torah’s Totality

Something that is point-like cannot develop on its own to become area-like. In fact, the problem with the wisdom of the nations is that because it is discovered by a bottom-up approach—i.e., man observing reality and describing it—it lacks the infinite vitality found in any point of wisdom in the Torah. Thus, even though there are undeveloped topics in the Torah, we consider them to be in a seminal form. The moment that they enter the thoughts and prayers of an individual, who is devoted to the study of the Torah, they will invariably develop on their own and reach a mature area-like state.

But, when it comes to points of wisdom originating in non-Jewish thought, the infinite vitality is missing and must be introduced externally in the form a force driving the development.

Of course, the external force that can foster such growth is the Torah itself. To understand this point better, let us turn back to human conversion. Though a convert is considered to have a special connection with the Almighty even before his or her conversion, this connection is considered point-like; the usual terminology for describing this is that a potential convert has a Jewish spark.9

Now, just as sparks of humanity need to develop by joining the Jewish people, so points, or sparks of true wisdom need to be fully developed by being incorporated into the Torah.


Lest we imagine that the process of gathering these human sparks is a relatively minor theme in Judaism, Rebbe Nachman of Breslov states that as long as there are still potential converts who have not converted, the Mashiach cannot appear on the historical stage.10



cont.....

i just challenge any of them to REFUTE IT.

they can't.

absolutely.
but the problem we are facing is that this is being acted out; forced into play.
and it has been for a very long time.

yes, when we see the origin of it, its sheer madness.

but it gets a coat of paint and is presented to us as some kind of reality.

its witchcraft and stagecraft and smoke and mirrors.
to accomplish something horrible, the like of which the world has not yet seen.
just some countries have experienced it in the past...test runs.

and what do we do?

well, there's a word for what the package is called today: technocracy:

The concept of a Technocracy remains mostly hypothetical, though some nations have been considered as such in the sense of being governed primarily by technical experts in various fields of governmental decision making. A technocrat has come to mean either 'a member of a powerful technical elite or someone who advocates the supremacy of technical experts'.[1][2][3] Scientists, engineers, and technologists who have knowledge, expertise, or skills, would compose the governing body, instead of politicians, businessmen, and economists.[4] In a technocracy, decision makers would be selected based upon how knowledgeable and skillful they are in their field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy < click.

but there's something else coming after this.

To Lorelei:
It makes complete sense to me because I know exactly what she's referring to. It's the underlying occultic mysticism of ancient Babylon that is co-ingrafted with post-Passion Judaism. There is no Biblical Judaism any longer. No temple, no sacrifices, no Priesthood, no yet-coming Messiah. Rabbinical Pharisaic Judaism is Talmudism. Kabbalah. The antithesis of the Christian faith as antichrist. She's connecting the mystical foundations to how it undermined and manipulated Science and all alleged academia to give us pseudo-sacred mystic foundations for purported "secular" Science. This includes Heliocentricity, etc.

its hard to keep the topics separate since it's all ONE idea.

i'll try though.

PPS take the Geo thing back.
i gotta go for a walk or summink.

this stuff makes me ill after awhile.
kk

Ha! I'm mobile and waiting out some precip while on a motorcycle ride. Can't post much quantity.

I just wanted to illustrate for others that everything you're referring to is the vast wasteland of mysticism that GAVE us the OP topic. It IS all the same stuff. Wading into it is tedious, but everybody has been dogmatized and conditioned according to the "authority" of Science. Cognitive dissonance ensues, even if someone "gets" all the minutiae. This has been going on since Nimrod and Babylon, accelerated in the last millennia and covertly implemented and propagated. The subtly befits and bespeaks its author... Ol' Slewfoot! Few will get it.

Well apparently I'm going to have to start in Kindergarten on this one. I vaguely understand that Biblical Judaism no longer exists and that something very bad has taken its place, but hey, that's about it.

That's a start.

Don't feel stupid. Ignorance is not stupidity. And few know and recognize what's going on after millennia of momentum in obscurity. Most reject it all in denial, and in favor of their own understanding. There's been a false reality erected to deceive by culture-sculpting every facet of human experience.

A huge part of that is Scientific foundations of understanding that we embrace as children through conditioning. We believe the solar system model of kinematics printed in the textbook. We are institutionally instructed in the most fundamental ways at the most vulnerable times for our ideologies to be skewed.

It's a slow and layered process to put aside that false reality and begin to understand the practical truth. It's no fun during. But on the back side, it's spiritually gratifying to be UN-duped. Analogously, it's a Matrix red pill thing.

As for Helio/Geo, empirically it's a toss-up. Helio was preferred according to bias from Kabbalistic influence. It was the first monimental emasculation of church teaching and biblical authority. It changed the "flow" toward Empiricism and dialectic consensus of men to replace the didactic absolute truth of God and His Word.

Simplisticly, it's Spiritual Absolutism giving way to Humanistic Relativism. There were and are stages, but that's the general truth. God's Logos has been eschewed in favor of man's collective logos (logic and declaration). Man is "creating" his own truth and reality, and it's subtly been directed by the influence and control of strategic and gradual Kabbalistic manipulation. The enemy is attempting to wrest the creation from the Creator; and the degeneration and deceit of mankind is the epicenter of that destructive delusional plan. But it's at full-scale implementation now.

pps, that is so true.
but look how cleverly that is turned on its head, here:

The mistake of the modern academic approach to the Torah is that it places its belief in human reason (i.e., deductive reasoning) above its belief in the truthfulness of the Torah. This mistake is what turns the Torah into just another field of human study, on par with all other fields of inquiry. The end-result is that mistaken generalities (fostered by an egotistic certainty in one’s logical abilities), which contradict the Torah, come to taint one’s outlook on the Torah and one’s ability to experience it as the source of life: the Tree of Life.

Torah and Science: Converting the Wisdom of the Nations - Part 1 < click

like...what?
since when does God not call on the new man to use his reason and logic?
there are things we aren't told, or things we may not fully understand...but we are given faith!
and i hardly see how logic contradicts The Holy Writ!

I'm not speaking of the redeemed utilizing the oida knowledge of the Spirit. I was referring to the collective consensus of unredeemed man and the non-Spirit-influenced logos of man being "pimped" by the enemy with all the script-flipping.

I was speaking of the agenda and the continued lying influence continuing since the serpent's Edenic lie. It's just another script-flip inversion (above). Yes? (Are you somehow thinking we're disagreeing?)

The God-delegated capacity of man and his logos is what is inflated to be the means of alleged ascension to attain/reclaim divinity. It's the impetus and means of penetrating and controlling the sub- and conscious mind, and of thinking/speaking one's way to total enlightenment and soulical evolution to the higher planes and all that yuk. (Hence the dangers and error of the Word of Faith, etc.)