God will not Justify your sins.

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Ramon

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God will not justify your sins. He will not!!

As the world goes further and further away from God, they go further and further into sin, and are lured into hell that way. It is a broad way. Their is no fear of God.

He gave 10 commandments, and refusing those, Israel went into bondage, the same bondage sin keeps those who live in it in. The same bondage Israel was in when Jesus came, and the same bondage many Christians are in today, which will lead them to death.

Oh, but the lure of sin is so tempting, the allure of the light of hell.

If he can destroy the law, he can defile the conscience, this is Satan's tactic. But not one thing will pass from it until all things are fulfilled. But God is letting it all play out, and then the Jesus will be revealed in his kingdom, and every eye will see him come.

The hearts of many have grown cold. Iniquity is loved, righteousness is despised, and the gospel of Jesus Christ is perverted.

Anyone who preaches the truth is shut up, so that they can continue in their iniquity. Scriptures are interpreted to suit one's sins.

For this reason, all the prophets were killed, and apostles were persecuted, and Jesus was hung from a tree. John the baptist lost his head.

They cannot hear without a preacher, and the preacher cannot preach unless he is sent. But haven't you heard? YES!

But in hearing you don't hear, and in seeing you don't see, because Satan has blinded the hearts and minds of the faithless and perverse generation.

Come out of darkness to serve Jesus in his light!! Repent of sin you sinners, and be baptized for remissions of sins, and you will receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost!

May Jesus bless you.
 
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tribesman

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Anyone who preaches the truth is shut up, so that they can continue in their iniquity. Scriptures are interpreted to suit one's sins.

For this reason, all the prophets were killed, and apostles were persecuted, and Jesus was hung from a tree. John the baptist lost his head.
That is certainly a reality to consider.
 
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God will not justify your sins. He will not!!

As the world goes further and further away from God, they go further and further into sin, and are lured into hell that way. It is a broad way. Their is no fear of God.

He gave 10 commandments, and refusing those, Israel went into bondage, the same bondage sin keeps those who live in it in. The same bondage Israel was in when Jesus came, and the same bondage many Christians are in today, which will lead them to death.

Oh, but the lure of sin is so tempting, the allure of the light of hell.

If he can destroy the law, he can defile the conscience, this is Satan's tactic. But not one thing will pass from it until all things are fulfilled. But God is letting it all play out, and then the Jesus will be revealed in his kingdom, and every eye will see him come.

The hearts of many have grown cold. Iniquity is loved, righteousness is despised, and the gospel of Jesus Christ is perverted.

Anyone who preaches the truth is shut up, so that they can continue in their iniquity. Scriptures are interpreted to suit one's sins.

For this reason, all the prophets were killed, and apostles were persecuted, and Jesus was hung from a tree. John the baptist lost his head.

They cannot hear without a preacher, and the preacher cannot preach unless he is sent. But haven't you heard? YES!

But in hearing you don't hear, and in seeing you don't see, because Satan has blinded the hearts and minds of the faithless and perverse generation.

Come out of darkness to serve Jesus in his light!! Repent of sin you sinners, and be baptized for remissions of sins, and you will receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost!

May Jesus bless you.
Ramon, not a single person will ever go to hell because of personal sin. It won't happen because Christ was judged for their sin through death on the cross and has PUT AWAY ALL SIN. Don't you get it Ramon? Christ PUT AWAY ALL SIN on the cross. Don't you believe that? You won't find a single scripture that deals with man according to his sin when it comes time for judgment. You will find God dealing with their works done in their body and those that are workers of iniquity but not any personal sin issues. Oh yes, the adulterer, the fornicator the liar and all those that lived in works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God because they were workers of iniquity and lived in rebellion against God's Son and the authority that was given to Him.

When you share the gospel you should be telling sinners that Christ was judged for their sin and has PUT AWAY ALL their sin forever, even if they remain in unbelief they will not be judged because of sin. All a sinner has to do is believe that their sin was judged upon the body of Christ on that tree and they are instantly cleansed and forgiven and given an unconditional gift of God's righteousness. Those that remain in unbelief will die in their sin not being cleansed, but won't be judged for their sin. People sin because of iniquity that is in their heart, even believers do it more than you think. Iniquity is rebellion in the heart that wants to do it their way and not God's way. They have a better plan than God does. They think that they can cleanse and justify themselves and their way is the right way in their own eyes no matter what God has said and testified to in the scriptures.

The sinner is justified when they believe upon what the Son did to their sin without repentance. No one can repent of a sin that Christ has already paid for but they can confess their sin and believe what Christ did to it and be cleansed from it. What they need to repent of is the iniquity that keeps them in unbelief and living in self righteousness through a frame of reference that says I know better than God does. When someone rejects the gospel of Christ, it is because of iniquity in the heart and has nothing to do with personal sin. It is rebellion that is rejecting the gospel thinking that they know and have a better way to live. They are walking around as dead men in their sin with no life and they reject the very life that God came to give them through His Son. We minister that gospel in the love and grace of God but it is the justice of God that saves them. If God's just demands for sin was not met through Christ on the cross, no one could be saved through mercy and grace. As beautiful as love is, love has never saved a single soul, only God's justice has done it through conviction and mercy. You and so many others need to understand this through the word and through the Holy Spirit.
 
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Ramon

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Ramon, not a single person will ever go to hell because of personal sin. It won't happen because Christ was judged for their sin through death on the cross and has PUT AWAY ALL SIN. Don't you get it Ramon? Christ PUT AWAY ALL SIN on the cross. Don't you believe that? You won't find a single scripture that deals with man according to his sin when it comes time for judgment. You will find God dealing with their works done in their body and those that are workers of iniquity but not any personal sin issues. Oh yes, the adulterer, the fornicator the liar and all those that lived in works of the flesh will not inherit the kingdom of God because they were workers of iniquity and lived in rebellion against God's Son and the authority that was given to Him.

When you share the gospel you should be telling sinners that Christ was judged for their sin and has PUT AWAY ALL their sin forever, even if they remain in unbelief they will not be judged because of sin. All a sinner has to do is believe that their sin was judged upon the body of Christ on that tree and they are instantly cleansed and forgiven and given an unconditional gift of God's righteousness. Those that remain in unbelief will die in their sin not being cleansed, but won't be judged for their sin. People sin because of iniquity that is in their heart, even believers do it more than you think. Iniquity is rebellion in the heart that wants to do it their way and not God's way. They have a better plan than God does. They think that they can cleanse and justify themselves and their way is the right way in their own eyes no matter what God has said and testified to in the scriptures.

The sinner is justified when they believe upon what the Son did to their sin without repentance. No one can repent of a sin that Christ has already paid for but they can confess their sin and believe what Christ did to it and be cleansed from it. What they need to repent of is the iniquity that keeps them in unbelief and living in self righteousness through a frame of reference that says I know better than God does. When someone rejects the gospel of Christ, it is because of iniquity in the heart and has nothing to do with personal sin. It is rebellion that is rejecting the gospel thinking that they know and have a better way to live. They are walking around as dead men in their sin with no life and they reject the very life that God came to give them through His Son. We minister that gospel in the love and grace of God but it is the justice of God that saves them. If God's just demands for sin was not met through Christ on the cross, no one could be saved through mercy and grace. As beautiful as love is, love has never saved a single soul, only God's justice has done it through conviction and mercy. You and so many others need to understand this through the word and through the Holy Spirit.
Red, what you have written is not from the Holy Spirit.

You are on a very wrong path my friend.

The Lord has not spoken what you just have. Many words, but it is not the truth of the Gospel. Please consider these words:

Every person MUST repent. All sinners will have their part in the lake of fire that burns with fire and brimstone. If one figures he can continue in sin and still be justified, that would make the sacrifice of Jesus worthless.

What you have typed is speaking Evil of the Holy Ghost, not in anyway glorifying Jesus Christ.

The Holy Ghost does not excuse sin, but he brings the message of Justice, and of Righteousness, and of Repentance from sin to serve Jesus Christ.

What you have written is not the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is another message.

Please consider it, because, THESE words are from the Lord.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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Red, what you have written is not from the Holy Spirit.

You are on a very wrong path my friend.

The Lord has not spoken what you just have. Many words, but it is not the truth of the Gospel. Please consider these words:

Every person MUST repent. All sinners will have their part in the lake of fire that burns with fire and brimstone. If one figures he can continue in sin and still be justified, that would make the sacrifice of Jesus worthless.

What you have typed is speaking Evil of the Holy Ghost, not in anyway glorifying Jesus Christ.

The Holy Ghost does not excuse sin, but he brings the message of Justice, and of Righteousness, and of Repentance from sin to serve Jesus Christ.

What you have written is not the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is another message.

Please consider it, because, THESE words are from the Lord.

May Jesus bless you.
Christ had to come and deal with our sin on the cross because there was nothing that we could do about it. We have no power or ability to cleanse and purge ourselves from sin that we were conceived in (Ps 51:5). The pure gospel is Christ, who bore our sin upon His body and having ALL sin PUT AWAY through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead and the grave. Christ was judged on the cross for the sins of the world not imputing a single sin unto them (2Cor 5:18-20) by PUTTING AWAY all sin through His death, burial and resurrection. Sin is never to be judged again because ALL SIN was judged by the Father upon the Son on the cross. This is why a sinner only needs to believe upon the Son to not perish but have everlasting life. Mandating repentance for the sinner for salvation is putting a condition on salvation that was never made by the Father, by the Son or by the Holy Spirit. When a sinner believes upon the Son the Holy Spirit comes to indwell that new believer and brings conviction into the mind and heart and instantly purges the conscience through the blood (Heb 9:14).

If any believer sins after salvation they have an advocate with the Father, who is Jesus Christ the righteous and the propitiation for our sins and for the sins of the whole world (1Jn 2:1,2). As our righteous advocate He pleads our case of having paid for and being judged for our sin before the Father. The justification for the believer, who has sinned, is that his sin was judged already so that he could be free from judgment and be able to confess his sin before God and be forgiven and cleansed from unrighteousness. If the believer does not confess his sin, the Father will have to chastise and discipline that believer until they respond and confess their sin, receive grace and go on by faith forgiven and cleansed without being put on probation. To believe that God has justified our sin is to have the wrong understanding about the cross as it applies to the believing sinner. The sinner has been justified by faith, from and despite his sin, through grace and the blood of Jesus Christ (Rom 5:1,9, Rom 3:24).

The reason that any sinner will be condemned is because they never turned from the unbelief and iniquity in their heart and believed unto the righteousness of God by faith through Christ (Rom 10:10). It is unbelief and iniquity that condemns them and not personal sin. Personal sin can be forgiven but unbelief and iniquity in the heart must be turned from by faith unto Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Ramon, have I communicated an evil gospel or spoken evil of the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a man who has been justified or of one who remains in his sin of unbelief?
 
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Ramon

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Christ had to come and deal with our sin on the cross because there was nothing that we could do about it. We have no power or ability to cleanse and purge ourselves from sin that we were conceived in (Ps 51:5). The pure gospel is Christ, who bore our sin upon His body and having ALL sin PUT AWAY through His death, burial and resurrection from the dead and the grave. Christ was judged on the cross for the sins of the world not imputing a single sin unto them (2Cor 5:18-20) by PUTTING AWAY all sin through His death, burial and resurrection. Sin is never to be judged again because ALL SIN was judged by the Father upon the Son on the cross. This is why a sinner only needs to believe upon the Son to not perish but have everlasting life. Mandating repentance for the sinner for salvation is putting a condition on salvation that was never made by the Father, by the Son or by the Holy Spirit. When a sinner believes upon the Son the Holy Spirit comes to indwell that new believer and brings conviction into the mind and heart and instantly purges the conscience through the blood (Heb 9:14).

If any believer sins after salvation they have an advocate with the Father, who is Jesus Christ the righteous and the propitiation for our sins and for the sins of the whole world (1Jn 2:1,2). As our righteous advocate He pleads our case of having paid for and being judged for our sin before the Father. The justification for the believer, who has sinned, is that his sin was judged already so that he could be free from judgment and be able to confess his sin before God and be forgiven and cleansed from unrighteousness. If the believer does not confess his sin, the Father will have to chastise and discipline that believer until they respond and confess their sin, receive grace and go on by faith forgiven and cleansed without being put on probation. To believe that God has justified our sin is to have the wrong understanding about the cross as it applies to the believing sinner. The sinner has been justified by faith, from and despite his sin, through grace and the blood of Jesus Christ (Rom 5:1,9, Rom 3:24).

The reason that any sinner will be condemned is because they never turned from the unbelief and iniquity in their heart and believed unto the righteousness of God by faith through Christ (Rom 10:10). It is unbelief and iniquity that condemns them and not personal sin. Personal sin can be forgiven but unbelief and iniquity in the heart must be turned from by faith unto Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Ramon, have I communicated an evil gospel or spoken evil of the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart of a man who has been justified or of one who remains in his sin of unbelief?
May Jesus bless you Red.

The response was to this:

''Ramon, not a single person will ever go to hell because of personal sin. It won't happen because Christ was judged for their sin through death on the cross and has PUT AWAY ALL SIN. Don't you get it Ramon? Christ PUT AWAY ALL SIN on the cross. Don't you believe that? You won't find a single scripture that deals with man according to his sin when it comes time for judgment.''

All who are in hell are there because of sin, not someone elses, but their own. God will deal with each man individually concerning their sin. And all sinners will end up in the lake.

Indeed, the righteousness of God is by faith of Jesus Christ, but the flesh does not work the righteousness of God. And you have heard of this judgement, and you have read of it.

Gal 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

All who do the works of the flesh and continue in them will NOT inherit the kingdom of God, as Jesus said, many will sit down with the patriarchs, but the children of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It is the faith that works the righteousness of God, else one doesn't believe his gospel, nor that he is just. He is just because he will punish sinners and reward those who obey him, but he is merciful, in that he gave us a way from judgement, by the Way of Jesus Christ. Anyone who follows any other way will end up in hell, and in the lake.

Everyone must repent of sin, God will not justify them.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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StaceyLynn

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This is fascinating salvation theology, and I think that you BOTH make good points, in different ways.

I think what you, Ramon, are trying to express, is a genuine anger and despair at the state of a world around us, that has completely lost sight of what it is to be atoned by the blood of Christ. In a culture where salvation is often "say a prayer and go to heaven", the message of true discipleship and sacrifice are lost. Jesus told the sinful woman, "Your faith has saved you, go and sin no more." He didn't say to her, "you faith has saved you, carry on with your evil ways." There are a LOT of things in the modern world that are disgusting to God. He IS a righteous judge, and will do so accordingly. He punished Israel for turning away from Him....we are no different.

However, hallelujah for grace. True justification requires true repentance (any discussion of that can easily be directed to Psalm 51). God called David a man after his own heart, despite his own personal failings and sin. David embodied what it truly means to be saved, and is a perfect example of God's love and mercy.

Perhaps the way to marry the two divergent thoughts is this: personal sin will land you in hell, but personal relationship with God will give you new eternal life. I realize that is overly simplified...but I'll be happy to address any faults either has in my thinking. :)
 
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Ramon

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This is fascinating salvation theology, and I think that you BOTH make good points, in different ways.

I think what you, Ramon, are trying to express, is a genuine anger and despair at the state of a world around us, that has completely lost sight of what it is to be atoned by the blood of Christ. In a culture where salvation is often "say a prayer and go to heaven", the message of true discipleship and sacrifice are lost. Jesus told the sinful woman, "Your faith has saved you, go and sin no more." He didn't say to her, "you faith has saved you, carry on with your evil ways." There are a LOT of things in the modern world that are disgusting to God. He IS a righteous judge, and will do so accordingly. He punished Israel for turning away from Him....we are no different.

However, hallelujah for grace. True justification requires true repentance (any discussion of that can easily be directed to Psalm 51). God called David a man after his own heart, despite his own personal failings and sin. David embodied what it truly means to be saved, and is a perfect example of God's love and mercy.

Perhaps the way to marry the two divergent thoughts is this: personal sin will land you in hell, but personal relationship with God will give you new eternal life. I realize that is overly simplified...but I'll be happy to address any faults either has in my thinking. :)
Welcome to the site my friend. May Jesus bless you, and I can see that you are steady. AMEN!!

I love my friend Red.

If I would be angry at the state of the world, I would have no right to be angry. Because I had a part in the state of the world, by my own sin. I really have no place to be angry. I read that the anger of men do not work the righteousness of God. And it is true.

There was indeed a time that I did speak out of indignation, but was it righteous? God knows. I do say, there is a better way.

So, let me tell you this, not long ago, Jesus made it VERY clear to me that if people do not repent of sin, they will end up in hell. At this time I was so glad that I had time to fellowship with him, and walk with him. I enjoyed it. Those are precious times. I will never forget the beginning days. I was learning about the Lord, and he was making me mature. This was only about a year, going on two ago. But since then he has shown me a lot.

Anyhow, when he made it clear, IMMEDIATELY I started telling people to repent of sin, because I had seen the end of sin, and it is terrible. I did not want Jesus to say to me, ''I showed you the truth, and you knew the truth, but you did not tell people the truth so that they might be saved from hell.''

How could I see such a thing and not warn people? Is that love? NO!! How could I see you walking off a cliff and not say, STOP!!! YOU ARE GOING THE WRONG WAY!!!

So, it is not out of anger, it is out of the knowledge of the righteous judgement of God against all sin. I fear God. I fear his judgement.

I wondered with tears and pain, why so many had not heard the gospel before it was too late. WHY ME LORD?? WHY DID YOU SAVE ME?? WHY NOT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HELL NOW?? NO MERCY, NO MERCY, TOO LATE, TOO LATE! FOREVER LOST!!

Then I saw the grace of the Lord, and it made me sad, not happy. But the Lord in his gentleness reminded me, ''Everyone has an opportunity to repent of sin and follow me.''

Many have not, and will not, but I MUST try. I must CRY OUT LIKE A TRUMPET!! THE LORD LIVES!! HE IS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD!! TURN FROM SIN AND OBEY THE GOSPEL!!

With pain my friend. With pain.

If only people would humble themselves and turn from their evil ways, he will surely fulfill his promises to them. If only people would seek him with all their hearts minds and soul.

But Satan has blinded the hearts and minds. The eyes that they will not see have been made blind. The ears that they will not hear have been stopped. So that they will not go to the Lord, and he would heal their land.

Whoever has ears to hear this, hear it!!

May Jesus bless you.