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Please, please, please don't pay attention to the people who tell you that you are sick, or sinful, or a horrible person who deserves God's righteous hellfire. You are NONE of those things. You have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, and nothing to hide. You are perfect, just the way God made you, and you understand far better than anybody here how you were made. What you do with your personal life is entirely your business. If it's important for you to find a church where you'll feel comfortable and accepted, I guarantee you they are out there. Don't let anyone tell you that you're unnatural, or that you need to suppress your sexuality or try to force yourself to be different than the way God made you.

Homosexual men and women have long suffered and struggled to reconcile their faith with their natural sexuality. It's a difficult road, but there is peace to be found.

Here are a couple links to give you some support:

It Gets Better Project

^Thousands of stories of men and women who have overcome the archaic prejudices of our society to live as happy, healthy adults who have found peace and love in their lives.

Preventing Suicide Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

^If you are ever feeling depressed or in a place where you feel there's no way out, please contact someone at the Trevor Project. Your life is precious, to your friends, your family, and to God. The video on the front page right now is about a lesbian woman who used her faith in God as a way to strengthen herself and to better understand that God made her perfectly, just the way she is.

If you need to talk to someone, feel free to contact me and get my email. I'd be happy to be a sounding board, or just a voice of support and love whenever you need it.

"Could some of you guys try to, at least, look through her perspective. I mean imagine if you tried to make yourself not attracted to the opposite sex. It would be impossible to do so. It's the same situation others have have been trying to put herself into."
True, but God can change her!

"I don't think any Christians on this site are narrow minded! Who would that be? Homosexuals are not born again and the truth shall make you free is a quote from the Bible. We need truth as an answer. "

Don't forget that you and I are sinners as well.

in romans it says they wouldnt retain god in there minds so god gave them up into a repobate mind to do tyhat which unseemly//

The Sodomites' sin wasn't that they were having sex with men, it was that they were having sex with men WITHOUT their permission... aka rape.

I find it very scarey that each Christian has their own personal opinion on this matter. I can honestly see everybobys point of view and I respect that. I feel that maybe the answer to this is to ask God to change me, to take away any desires I have for women. I have already done that, although it is very hard because my feelings feel completely natural to me, as natural as someone saying they feel tired or happy etc.

Thank you everyone who has responded to this, I really appreciate it. All i want is to be right in God.

I am not having sex at all, I am a virgin. Your point is irrelevant and also seems biased

fallingalex...lol thats a oxymoron accepting homosexuality is like excepting sin! or the name lucifer

and we allo sin

I need a church that is pornography friendly. Do you know of any? I can still love God with all my heart and my mind, and love my neighbours as myself.... I just don't want anyone telling me sin is sin.

Same line of reasoning goes for rape as well. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


Please, please, please don't pay attention to the people who tell you that rape is sick, or sinful, or a horrible thing deserving god's righteous hellfire. you are NONE of those things. You have nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to fear, and nothing to hide. You are perfect, just the way god made you, and you understand far better than anybody here how god made you a rapist. What you do with your personal life is sentirely your business. If it's important for you to find a church where you'll feel comfortable and accepted as a rapist, I guarentee you they are out there. Don't let anyone tell you that you're unnatural, or that you need to suppress your sexuality, or try to force yourself to be different than the rapist god made you.


See, very little difference.

For those dealing with the sinful struggle of SSA, I recommend these two testimonies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqdQ6_MAH2A <--- click
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5GnzD1Fp6I <--- click

@ ilikecolours
A fair, compassionate god will have nothing but love for you if you simply love others, do what you can for those around you. Such a god will always be proud of altruism in its creations, there's nothing wrong or evil about you, and if you're not hurting anyone you should do things that make you happy. Don't worry about all these little rules, just care for people.

I know there's nothing wrong with your intellect, so why do you insist on these broken arguments? I grow tired of you using them over and over again to compare loving people who'd never harm anyone to rapists. Rape is forcing yourself upon someone against their will, and it damages them emotionally, psychologically, and in most cases physically as well. You cannot compare homosexuality and rape, it does not work, they are not the same at all, period, end of story.


This is completely wrong, it's the same as it is for straight people, it's just with the same-sex instead of the opposite sex. Homosexual people are attracted to and can fall in love with members of the same sex before they actually have sex. There's no reason to think that they'd only love each other unless they were already having sex, none at all. They genuinely are in love.

Analogy fail. An analogy needs to work in the appropriate way. To say rape and homosexuality are the same goes something like this. All actions of a certain type are wrong. No wrong action can ever be justified. Therefore no actions of a certain type can be justified. Then you say homosexuality and rape are the SAME type. So, according to your reasoning, to be consistent you would have to agree that two homosexual men should be punished THE SAME WAY as a rapist. So let's go with this. John and Carl are homosexual. John's brother is a rapist. Therefore they both deserve the same punishment. I see no reason to equate the two at all. Harming another human being by rape (whether it be a male raping a woman, a woman raping a man, a man raping a man, a woman raping a woman, or an adult of either sex raping a child) is completely different from two adults of the same sex being with each other. Since homosexuality and rape would be very different degrees of wrongness, you simply CANNOT equate the two. And if you claim that all sin is equal, then there is no reason not to punish lying the same way we punish murderers, unless consistency does not matter of course...

I think it's worthwhile to keep in mind the ease with which the apparently most thoughtful Christians drop the "homosexuality is akin to rape" nonsense, even if it's just implicit or by proximity in argument. This is how I'll probably remember most of the Christians I've bothered to talk to in any depth; I wonder if that was their intent. One would think, if they had any interest in the person, they'd avoid such inflammatory rhetoric if they didn't mean it. I wouldn't bring up abortion in a discussion with my students in a conversation about, say, late homework if I didn't want to rankle them.

But Jimmydiggs is a relatively big fish in a small but agreeable pond. He has some philosophical vocabulary and is clearly itching to use it and the response is usually good, since he doesn't bother really responding to detractors in any depth. He wouldn't, however, be able to get away with repeating his pet arguments so freely elsewhere. I'd really enjoy seeing him off home field.

So, why? He's probably thrilled he has some people on whom to try (what he believes) are devastating arguments. He insists on these arguments for the same reason people dance after dunking - he views this as a game and believes he's discovered the exploit that allows him to win, regardless of the actual conversation.

Personally, I view it as a public service to continue interacting with Christians. It is disappointing, though, that it ends up being fuel for this sort of nonsense. He and Liamson have put out just enough effort to seem like these threads would be worthwhile. I'm willing to admit, though, that I've been fooled before.

Whether my input means anything to you or not I want to interject something. I am a pastor, and have been so for a little over 7yrs. In my past I was somehow drawn to married women, and I did'nt always do it intentionally. I've been married to a wonderful and beautiful Christian woman for 9yrs and I would be hard pressed to find someone who would be as loyal as she is to me, however, I still struggle with lusting after other women. I do not act on my desire but it is like a thorn in my flesh which is something that Paul struggled with as well.(I am not certain what the thorn in his flesh was) It comes naturally for me to look at other women and desire them even though I know it is wrong and I repent daily for my weakness. 2nd Corinthians 12:8 says it best. Jesus said to paul, My grace is sufficient. My strength is made perfect in your weakness. Please, do not lay condemnation on yourself, and do not allow the enemy to use others, even Christians, to lay condemnation on you either. (Romans 8:1) Continue the good fight, and know that we are all tempted in some way or another daily, it is what keeps us focused on Jesus, and we should walk as Victors in Christ not victims to sin. God bless and know that you are loved, by Christ first and by those of us who are weak as well. Bro Edward

yep this is definitely not the place to ask advice on things like that it appears. I feel that people who judge others for whatever reason are not real Christians. This is part of the reason that I have stayed away from people who say things like "you are damned for what you do" no one can say that except the Lord above. Jonathan, I will pray for you more so than the lesbian. I was quite saddened to read this thread.

Also, sex is sex, fornication lust and all the like. Let him without sin cast the first stone!

The name may be the name of the most evil being in the Christian religion but only the being was evil. Not the name. That's like saying anyone named Jesus is a messiah.

Actually, I think there are some

I just came from a forum where a you gay man is recounted many attempted suicide episodes and constant depression because he has felt different from the age of 4.

If that doesn't move you to compassion, then I don't know what will.

It's not that easy to condemn people over something that is out of their control.

You may have chosen Heterosexuality (I'm not sure if you did or not), but it was not a choice for me.

We really should stop spending so much time harrasing gay people and unite in a cause more worthy: Hunting down and capturing the war criminal known as George Bush and trying him for crimes against humanity.

These guys may have articles that can help.

The Gay Christian Network