How do you feel about Joel Osteen?

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PrynceNY said:
There are alot of those nutjobs around the world which are pretty obvious. I'm more concerned about the subtle ones who creep into the church tickling peoples ears even the lost into a false salvation.
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I hear you on that, though that's not clear cut like the vid I posted, just because a preacher is preaching something that some folks like and some people don't like, but that doesn't mean the preacher is a false prophet.. there are thousands and thousands of preacher in the world and they don't all teach on the same topic in the same style. Some preach nothing but repentance, damnation, etc.. While other teach like Joel the mostly Love aspect of Jesus and everything in between.

I think people need to be careful accusing people of being a false prophet from just because they don't teach enough or on a topic that much or of something a listener would prefer to be taught. I say if someone wants a church or sermon to be a certain way then they need to stop complaining about other churches, preachers, etc and open a church themselves...
 
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BeyondET said:
I hear you on that, though that's not clear cut like the vid I posted, just because a preacher is preaching something that some folks like and some people don't like, but that doesn't mean the preacher is a false prophet.. there are thousands and thousands of preacher in the world and they don't all teach on the same topic in the same style. Some preach nothing but repentance, damnation, etc.. While other teach like Joel the mostly Love aspect of Jesus and everything in between. I think people need to be careful accusing people of being a false prophet from just because they don't teach enough or on a topic that much or of something a listener would prefer to be taught. I say if someone wants a church or sermon to be a certain way then they need to stop complaining about other churches, preachers, etc and open a church themselves...
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People have been exposing Joel olseen for years now but if you choose to not call him a false prophet that's your choice.
 
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PrynceNY said:
People have been exposing Joel olseen for years now but if you choose to not call him a false prophet that's your choice.
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Just because people have been trying to expose him for years doesn't mean I'm going to jump off that bridge too. Like you said it is a choice to that...
 
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BeyondET said:
Just because people have been trying to expose him for years doesn't mean I'm going to jump off that bridge too. Like you said it is a choice to that...
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You don't have to however I have chosen to be a watchman & warn others who may be influenced by him.
 
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He's a good preacher when it comes to public speaking
 
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PrynceNY said:
You don't have to however I have chosen to be a watchman & warn others who may be influenced by him.
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I think your priorities isn't in order, you what to be watchmen to warn others of Joel osteen,, really with all the horror that is going on in this world, all the really bad stuff and your going to do that! Sounds wonderful lets warn people of a man who isn't hurting anybody yet don't talk about the really bad stuff going on in the world...
 
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This is what we have come too, bashing folks and letting the real sinful stuff go untalked about.. Of coarse the bad stuff doesn't make for good conversation does it??
 
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Willie-T said:
A minute and 37 seconds of Larry King is all you need? That says a lot for the depth of your studying.
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How do you know this is not a summery of observations ans study I have done?
You should have asked me that first rather then jumping to conclusions.
 
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BTW Willie, your all right with his statement in that video?
 
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cave dwellers,,,,
 
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hornetguy said:
I admit I've only listened to bits and pieces of any of his talks, but I always get the feeling I'm listening to a new-age, feel good kind of "preacher".

That's just the vibe I get, so I can't really judge what his theology is.... nothing wrong with talking about the benefits of positive thinking... but like Willie says.... a Christian needs to get way beyond that simple "have a nice day" philosophy..
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He is New Age, and yes, I think there is something wrong with "the benefits of positive thinking." Minor things, like it doesn't work and it's about as opposite of the Bible as one can get.
 
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BeyondET said:
I think your priorities isn't in order, you what to be watchmen to warn others of Joel osteen,, really with all the horror that is going on in this world, all the really bad stuff and your going to do that! Sounds wonderful lets warn people of a man who isn't hurting anybody yet don't talk about the really bad stuff going on in the world...
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Doesn't it hurt people when they go to church and never find out that's not God being preached?

And for the one doing just that, and making lots of money off the people who go, does that make him good people?

There really is something very wrong with Joel Osteen, yet so many are becoming contortionists to avoid saying just that.
 
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BeyondET said:
This is what we have come too, bashing folks and letting the real sinful stuff go untalked about.. Of coarse the bad stuff doesn't make for good conversation does it??
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So, massive storms cause big destruction in the South is more important than talking about a conman posing as a Christian preacher? Was there no room for both? Because here you are talking about everyone else's attitude rather than all that bad stuff.
 
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BeyondET said:
I think your priorities isn't in order, you what to be watchmen to warn others of Joel osteen,, really with all the horror that is going on in this world, all the really bad stuff and your going to do that! Sounds wonderful lets warn people of a man who isn't hurting anybody yet don't talk about the really bad stuff going on in the world...
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It's amusing you believe someones priorities aren't in order but clearly dont know what watchmen do. It's not just about Joel Olseen it's about making sure the sheep aren't deceived or led astray in any manner. If you are just sitting back doing nothing while people are being led to Hell then you don't have your priorities in order. In which God himself will address you about it.
 
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Stranger36147 said:
I've seen some of his sermons and watched some interviews he's done and he seems like a nice guy who wants people to succeed in life. I know some Christians have a negative attitude towards him and I don't really understand why.

I guess you could argue that he's more of a motivational speaker than a preacher. I can't think of any other reason why some Christians don't like him.
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I believe Joel's ministry is to encourage the people. So many people have been beaten down in life and they just need that ray of light to help them get on with trusting God again.

We have been so warped in our thinking towards God that to proclaim that God is good and that He loves you and wants a life of His love to be experienced by them is something that they need to hear.

One of the most eye-opening truths about the Lord is that He is not an evangelical. I say that speaking as an evangelical myself in most of my beliefs.

He is an exhorter and that is his ministry. People should take his ministry for what it is and then go on to grow in the Lord after coming out of the depression and hopelessness that comes to destroy all of us.
 
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JosephsDreams said:
This says it all for me. 1:37

Video of Joel Osteen on Larry King

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Take a look at this video that shows exactly what is really being said by Joel. We really need to be very careful in the things we allow others to say about those in the body of Christ that speak differently then we do.

This video really shows the distortion and "twists" that come by the way some view what is being said by others..

[video=youtube;C9u_QwkBwJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9u_QwkBwJE[/video]
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BeyondET said:
This is what we have come too, bashing folks and letting the real sinful stuff go untalked about.. Of coarse the bad stuff doesn't make for good conversation does it??
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Says the one who specializes in it.
 
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Stranger36147 said:
I've seen some of his sermons and watched some interviews he's done and he seems like a nice guy who wants people to succeed in life. I know some Christians have a negative attitude towards him and I don't really understand why.

I guess you could argue that he's more of a motivational speaker than a preacher. I can't think of any other reason why some Christians don't like him.
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Because he doesn't preach the gospel. He calls himself a pastor and that he runs a church, but he is very wishy-washy in his messages.

You said yourself he's more of a motivational speaker, yet has a giant church and calls himself pastor. That Alone should be enough reason to dislike him.

He teaches worldly success. He avoids talking about sin. And some of his teachings mirror new age occultism. He is nothing more than Tony Robbins wrapping his message in misused scripture to dupe his congregation and hide the unbiblical standards and messages he teaches.
 
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You can't judge someone strictly by the persona being played on the TV. My wife loves Joel, but the fact that he never preaches (on TV) about sin and repentance and those kinds of things always raised a red flag for me. When he came to town I took my wife to see him, and he did at that time 'fill in the blanks' so to speak. And there was no question about it when his mother and wife spoke. So, Joel personally, I will give an ok to, but his TV persona leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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Gift of exhortation, and pointing people to God's faithfulness. Does this sounds wrong? He tells people to have faith in God because God is faithful to fulfill His word. If you are opposed to someone sharing such a message you might want to look in the mirror and do some self-reflection. God is faithful and there is such a gift of exhortation.

Romans 12:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

I am not sure why certain believers are so opposed to the message he shares, but not all preachers preach on every aspect of God's word. There are different teachers for different topics, each specializing in their respective studies. Joel Osteen points to God's faithfulness and providence, both biblical principles. He exhorts and encourages people to trust the Lord. Again, if you oppose this then you might want to look in the mirror and do some self reflection.
 
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