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I constantly struggle with assurance of salvation. This sermon by Puritan William Bridge helped me a lot. I hope it will help someone else too.

 

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I constantly struggle with assurance of salvation. This sermon by Puritan William Bridge helped me a lot. I hope it will help someone else too.

If salvation depends on us, we are in trouble. If it depends on what Jesus has done for us already, the devil is in trouble. That's why he does his best to rob us of the assurance that Lord Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. Lord Jesus began the work and He will complete it. It is a lifetime project, so we need to be patient with God and with ourselves.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Assurance is very difficult to obtain . . . and maintain, if we are not fully engaged with our Lord. Let's take a look at BSOCS (Bee Socks) and run through it backwards. It stands for Believe, Submit, Obey, Confidence, Share.

How can we Share the Gospel of Jesus Christ if we are not Confident? And how can we be Confident if we do not Obey? And how can we Obey if we have not Truly Submitted our ENTIRE lives to Christ? And how can we Submit if our Belief system is out of kilter?

From the above, we may conclude that if our Belief system is not right, we won't share the Gospel. And who do you know that actually shares the Gospel with others? Have you ever simply asked one of your church friends to tell you the full Gospel? Has any of your "pastors" ever told you, straight out, what the Gospel is? And more . . . if someone came to you and said, "I have all the time in the world . . . I want you to tell me the Full Gospel of Jesus Christ. Are you able to do it?

And here within is the source of insecurity and unhealthy fear, at least speaking for myself . . . I never understood the Gospel and more, I never told a soul the actual Gospel of Christ. And more . . . no one has ever told me of that Gospel, either. I've never heard it . . . not . . . once. And since this is my unfortunate report of being a part of the "church" my entire life of 54 years, it is no wonder that the vast majority of us feel timid regarding the assurance of our Holy Salvation.

I am incredibly lucky; here's what I mean. Years ago, I was Graced by God and allowed to feel His Holy Presence. Preceding this Power of Peace and Love, God allowed me to taste His Holy Terror . . . oh man. I have felt fear in this world, having been molested by my boy scout master in the middle of a winter, whiteout, blizzard. I thought that I was to be raped, murdered, buried in the snow, and found in the Spring when the snow had melted. I was 12 years old. I also fled to the police station so as to prevent my father from murdering my stepmother. He had consumed an entire bottle of Jim Beam, whisky, drinking it as if water (literally gulping it). Absolutely insane and out of his mind, I ducked, dodged, and weaved to avoid the bullets that I was sure were to be tracking me down . . . dead. I was twenty. - I know what worldly fear is, and this is my point. The Holy Terror of the Lord makes those two moments of my life feel like a vacation to Maui. This Holy Terror has nothing to do with this physical world, for it is all Spiritual . . . it is utterly mind-boggling, for I was certain that my fear was so extensive, that I'd figured I was to explode somewhere within my body, crash my car (as I was driving down the freeway) and die.

In the midst of this Holy Terror, and after having made my way to a full stop and parked. I finally had the presence of mind to begin calling out to God . . . "Help me . . . God! Save me . . . God!" I had one foot in Hell and it is simply unimaginable . . . at least that's the way it felt. There is nothing that could take place on this earth that is more frightening than the Holy Terror of the Lord. Nothing. So in the midst of this Terror, I knew that death was upon me and could take me at any second. I had no choice, and I knew that there was nothing in the entire Universe that could save me . . . other than God. In my horrible understanding of the Bible, I did my best to call out to the One, True God. Slowly the Terror began to fade and was being overcome by the Holy Peace and Love of God. Within just a span of 15 to 20 seconds, I had experienced God's Holy Terror, and that it was cut out and removed from my life forever. The Peace and Love continued to rise and increase . . . and this Peace and Love is also Spiritual. And this means that this Holy Brand of Peace and Love is far more unimaginable than anything that you have ever experienced here on earth. Nothing . . . it could be the most shocking sex than you've ever had with your spouse . . . but this Holy Peace and Love do not compare . . . at . . . all. God's Peace and Love are so utterly Powerful, that if I had felt more of Him, my physical body would not have held up. Can you imagine that? Imagine feeling so much Peace and Love, that it could actually reach a point of altering your physical body.

From that Holy Day and onward, I have no choice but to feel Assurance. I cannot escape it! Since that day, my life has become more and more difficult. I have been forced to change because of the depth of the issues that I have been forced to endure. And what I have been enduring is far greater than anything you could imagine . . . only a Holy God could orchestrate such wild and insane travesty! There was a time, not too long ago, that I was still weeping each and every day, begging that my troubles would cease! I cried multiple times per day (and am a grown man). But in all of this, to the extent of no longer wishing to be alive . . . I have always had full Assurance of who my God is, and where I will be going after I die.

Assurance! To feel the Lord's Power and Presence within yourself (not that I am a god of any kind . . . on the contrary) in such a remarkable way, we can now understand more fully what Moses was saying regarding the Indwelling Holy Spirit. Check this out . . .

Numbers 11:25-29 NET - "And the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to them, and he took some of the Spirit that was on Moses and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but did not do so again. 26 But two men remained in the camp; one's name was Eldad, and the other's name was Medad. And the spirit rested on them. (Now they were among those in the registration, but had not gone to the tabernacle.) So they prophesied in the camp. 27 And a young man ran and told Moses, "Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp!" 28 Joshua son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his choice young men, said, "My lord Moses, stop them!" 29 Moses said to him, "Are you jealous for me? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets, that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!"

I recommend that you get to know the whole story, as this is the tail-end portion of Moses being so frustrated, that He begged the Lord for help, for Aaron was no longer much of a co-leader and Moses was seemingly on his own. Moses knew what it felt like to be Indwelt by the Power of God, to know and feel that the Lord was working through him. Moses was not God, but God Himself said that Pharaoh and even Aaron would view him as God. It's an amazing concept to ponder, that is, Moses being equated with God by God Himself. But Moses knew of this Power and what it feels like . . . and so He was no doubt relieved to know that he had seventy helpers who had been empowered by Christ. In essence, Christ Circumcised these men's hearts (to lift the Adamic Curse) so that they could partake of the Powerful, Almighty, Spirit. We cannot believe or even comprehend things properly until this Adamic Curse is lifted, cut out, and removed from our Hearts. We cannot have Faith, nor hold Confidence . . . and definitely not Holy Assurance.

I realize that you have not had the kind of Spiritual Experience that I have had, but if you can somehow come to believe that what I have written is True, then you can take belief in these words and know that God Truly exists, that He is All-Powerful, and that we had better stop messing around. If you can somehow believe what I have written, and if you have not Truly done so in your Heart as of yet, it is imperative that you ask Jesus to perform His Holy Operation of Faith upon your Heart. Ask Jesus to cut out, take away, and forever destroy the Sinful Nature, the Sinful Impact of Satan upon your mind and life, and remove it wholly. When that Sinful Nature has been cut out, and maybe it already has been for you, you will become freed of worry, self-doubt. Those lines of thinking are from the Devil . . . they cannot be of God. Adam and Eve suffered from Fear, Shame, and Guilt, and when Satan can employ any of those three tools upon a person's soul . . . that person becomes the Devil's unholy puppet. But when Jesus removes this Evil State and Condition of a person's Heart, they have been spared of a life of Fear, Shame, and Guilt . . . these unhealthy emotions begin to fade and disappear. It may take years, especially if the Lord tests you along the way as He has incredibly tested me.

But again, seek the Circumcision of Christ!

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
 
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Assurance is very difficult to obtain . . . and maintain, if we are not fully engaged with our Lord. Let's take a look at BSOCS (Bee Socks) and run through it backwards. It stands for Believe, Submit, Obey, Confidence, Share.

How can we Share the Gospel of Jesus Christ if we are not Confident? And how can we be Confident if we do not Obey? And how can we Obey if we have not Truly Submitted our ENTIRE lives to Christ? And how can we Submit if our Belief system is out of kilter?

From the above, we may conclude that if our Belief system is not right, we won't share the Gospel. And who do you know that actually shares the Gospel with others? Have you ever simply asked one of your church friends to tell you the full Gospel? Has any of your "pastors" ever told you, straight out, what the Gospel is? And more . . . if someone came to you and said, "I have all the time in the world . . . I want you to tell me the Full Gospel of Jesus Christ. Are you able to do it?

And here within is the source of insecurity and unhealthy fear, at least speaking for myself . . . I never understood the Gospel and more, I never told a soul the actual Gospel of Christ. And more . . . no one has ever told me of that Gospel, either. I've never heard it . . . not . . . once. And since this is my unfortunate report of being a part of the "church" my entire life of 54 years, it is no wonder that the vast majority of us feel timid regarding the assurance of our Holy Salvation.

I am incredibly lucky; here's what I mean. Years ago, I was Graced by God and allowed to feel His Holy Presence. Preceding this Power of Peace and Love, God allowed me to taste His Holy Terror . . . oh man. I have felt fear in this world, having been molested by my boy scout master in the middle of a winter, whiteout, blizzard. I thought that I was to be raped, murdered, buried in the snow, and found in the Spring when the snow had melted. I was 12 years old. I also fled to the police station so as to prevent my father from murdering my stepmother. He had consumed an entire bottle of Jim Beam, whisky, drinking it as if water (literally gulping it). Absolutely insane and out of his mind, I ducked, dodged, and weaved to avoid the bullets that I was sure were to be tracking me down . . . dead. I was twenty. - I know what worldly fear is, and this is my point. The Holy Terror of the Lord makes those two moments of my life feel like a vacation to Maui. This Holy Terror has nothing to do with this physical world, for it is all Spiritual . . . it is utterly mind-boggling, for I was certain that my fear was so extensive, that I'd figured I was to explode somewhere within my body, crash my car (as I was driving down the freeway) and die.

In the midst of this Holy Terror, and after having made my way to a full stop and parked. I finally had the presence of mind to begin calling out to God . . . "Help me . . . God! Save me . . . God!" I had one foot in Hell and it is simply unimaginable . . . at least that's the way it felt. There is nothing that could take place on this earth that is more frightening than the Holy Terror of the Lord. Nothing. So in the midst of this Terror, I knew that death was upon me and could take me at any second. I had no choice, and I knew that there was nothing in the entire Universe that could save me . . . other than God. In my horrible understanding of the Bible, I did my best to call out to the One, True God. Slowly the Terror began to fade and was being overcome by the Holy Peace and Love of God. Within just a span of 15 to 20 seconds, I had experienced God's Holy Terror, and that it was cut out and removed from my life forever. The Peace and Love continued to rise and increase . . . and this Peace and Love is also Spiritual. And this means that this Holy Brand of Peace and Love is far more unimaginable than anything that you have ever experienced here on earth. Nothing . . . it could be the most shocking sex than you've ever had with your spouse . . . but this Holy Peace and Love do not compare . . . at . . . all. God's Peace and Love are so utterly Powerful, that if I had felt more of Him, my physical body would not have held up. Can you imagine that? Imagine feeling so much Peace and Love, that it could actually reach a point of altering your physical body.

From that Holy Day and onward, I have no choice but to feel Assurance. I cannot escape it! Since that day, my life has become more and more difficult. I have been forced to change because of the depth of the issues that I have been forced to endure. And what I have been enduring is far greater than anything you could imagine . . . only a Holy God could orchestrate such wild and insane travesty! There was a time, not too long ago, that I was still weeping each and every day, begging that my troubles would cease! I cried multiple times per day (and am a grown man). But in all of this, to the extent of no longer wishing to be alive . . . I have always had full Assurance of who my God is, and where I will be going after I die.

Assurance! To feel the Lord's Power and Presence within yourself (not that I am a god of any kind . . . on the contrary) in such a remarkable way, we can now understand more fully what Moses was saying regarding the Indwelling Holy Spirit. Check this out . . .

Numbers 11:25-29 NET - "And the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to them, and he took some of the Spirit that was on Moses and put it on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but did not do so again. 26 But two men remained in the camp; one's name was Eldad, and the other's name was Medad. And the spirit rested on them. (Now they were among those in the registration, but had not gone to the tabernacle.) So they prophesied in the camp. 27 And a young man ran and told Moses, "Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp!" 28 Joshua son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his choice young men, said, "My lord Moses, stop them!" 29 Moses said to him, "Are you jealous for me? I wish that all the LORD's people were prophets, that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!"

I recommend that you get to know the whole story, as this is the tail-end portion of Moses being so frustrated, that He begged the Lord for help, for Aaron was no longer much of a co-leader and Moses was seemingly on his own. Moses knew what it felt like to be Indwelt by the Power of God, to know and feel that the Lord was working through him. Moses was not God, but God Himself said that Pharaoh and even Aaron would view him as God. It's an amazing concept to ponder, that is, Moses being equated with God by God Himself. But Moses knew of this Power and what it feels like . . . and so He was no doubt relieved to know that he had seventy helpers who had been empowered by Christ. In essence, Christ Circumcised these men's hearts (to lift the Adamic Curse) so that they could partake of the Powerful, Almighty, Spirit. We cannot believe or even comprehend things properly until this Adamic Curse is lifted, cut out, and removed from our Hearts. We cannot have Faith, nor hold Confidence . . . and definitely not Holy Assurance.

I realize that you have not had the kind of Spiritual Experience that I have had, but if you can somehow come to believe that what I have written is True, then you can take belief in these words and know that God Truly exists, that He is All-Powerful, and that we had better stop messing around. If you can somehow believe what I have written, and if you have not Truly done so in your Heart as of yet, it is imperative that you ask Jesus to perform His Holy Operation of Faith upon your Heart. Ask Jesus to cut out, take away, and forever destroy the Sinful Nature, the Sinful Impact of Satan upon your mind and life, and remove it wholly. When that Sinful Nature has been cut out, and maybe it already has been for you, you will become freed of worry, self-doubt. Those lines of thinking are from the Devil . . . they cannot be of God. Adam and Eve suffered from Fear, Shame, and Guilt, and when Satan can employ any of those three tools upon a person's soul . . . that person becomes the Devil's unholy puppet. But when Jesus removes this Evil State and Condition of a person's Heart, they have been spared of a life of Fear, Shame, and Guilt . . . these unhealthy emotions begin to fade and disappear. It may take years, especially if the Lord tests you along the way as He has incredibly tested me.

But again, seek the Circumcision of Christ!

Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."
I have so much to say, but it won't let me do a message more than 1000 characters. I'll do it separately from yours. It's not long, I promise, LOL.
 
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Wow, thank you, 2ndTimothyGroup, for taking the time to write this and for sharing your experiences. I left halfway through reading this to ask the Lord for holy terror. It's a terrifying thing, but whatever it takes, I want it. I pray constantly for a heart of flesh/circumcised heart. I ask the Lord every day to help me submit my will to him. All these things you mentioned, I'm praying for every day. It's frustrating not getting my prayers answered. Maybe it's not time.

Even though your life has been extremely difficult, you're so fortunate to have the assurance, and if that's what it takes, bring it on (not that my life is easy, lol). Thank you again. This means the world. I'd like to save it to read again and again.

BTW, I do know the gospel and have shared it quite a bit. But I know what you're saying. Not many really know what the gospel is. Okay, I'm going to pray for holy terror some more.

Kindly,
GI
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Wow, thank you, 2ndTimothyGroup, for taking the time to write this and for sharing your experiences. I left halfway through reading this to ask the Lord for holy terror. It's a terrifying thing, but whatever it takes, I want it. I pray constantly for a heart of flesh/circumcised heart. I ask the Lord every day to help me submit my will to him. All these things you mentioned, I'm praying for every day. It's frustrating not getting my prayers answered. Maybe it's not time.

Even though your life has been extremely difficult, you're so fortunate to have the assurance, and if that's what it takes, bring it on (not that my life is easy, lol). Thank you again. This means the world. I'd like to save it to read again and again.

BTW, I do know the gospel and have shared it quite a bit. But I know what you're saying. Not many really know what the gospel is. Okay, I'm going to pray for holy terror some more.

Kindly,
GI
What a remarkable reply. Seriously, I don't know of how much more you could be "dialed-in" with the Lord. All of the things that you have written above . . . these things cannot be written if you were not being "Led" by our Powerful God! The things that you have both written and acknowledged, indicate a Heart that has already been changed. I write this, because . . . to even understand what you have written, this Holy Understanding cannot take place unless you have the Right Hand of God interacting with you. If God had not awakened you to be able to pray for the things you have prayed for, you would not be praying for them; it would be impossible to even acknowledge them.

I've been a "Christian" all my life and am now 54 years old, but in all of those years, and having attended many churches . . . I have never even heard of the Doctrine of Circumcised Hearts. And even if I had, it would have slipped right past me. If we read the Old Testament in a timeline, chronological order, we see CLEARLY that it is God who controls the human mind. Constantly . . . everywhere . . . God is controlling the way we think and perceive. When I began to read the Bible with the intention of finding every passage in the Bible that indicates Holy Mind Control, beginning with Adam and Eve. In the blink of an eye, they were both filled with Fear, Shame, and Guilt. The way they thought and perceived all things instantly changed. Have you ever thought about what it was like for them as they began this new life? They weren't even aware that the way they would perceive elements of their lives had changed until they came across those ideas and circumstances. How incredible!

Well . . . this is the very problem that Jesus came to solve. Jesus came to planet earth so that He would be the remedy to this incredible malady that caused us to think exactly the way we think. Well . . . if this is True, and if you have been Enabled and Caused to see this utter Core Teaching of the Bible . . . should you NOT rejoice?! My friend . . . you have already been touched by God!! You have been Enabled to Understand. My guess is, is that you did not realize (perhaps as fully as you now might) that in order to know what you know, your Heart must be cleansed and lifted of that nasty Sin Nature.

You may never feel the Raw, Almighty, Power of God. In fact, I don't believe that the Bible tells us that feeling His Power is a guarantee. I say that because I know that if a person were to feel what I had felt, Faith seems so utterly grammarschoolish to me. This Power that I have felt is the difference of knowing that if you drink water you will live and if you don't drink water, you will die. To me, realizing the difference between our physical world and the Spiritual world is simple to understand . . . I have experienced them both. Trust is another word that seems so simple (to me). Because I have felt what I have felt, I don't really know that I can say that I Trust God, for the reality is that I "Know" God. I don't Trust in something that I haven't felt, because I have already felt "it." But once you have felt the Power of God, it no longer requires Trust to believe in something unseen or not experienced. I know . . . 100% what is going to happen when I die. I know . . . that each moment of my day, that God sees all, for He is omnipresent, restricted by no part of His worldly creation. I don't [wonder] if God is present . . . I [know] that He is present. This doesn't require Faith nor Trust any more than it requires Faith and Trust to remember to not place your hand on a red-hot burning stove. I [know] what will happen if I touch the red-hot burner. I [know] what will happen if I jump into water and choose not to swim. Knowing transcends Faith and Trust.

But for those who may never feel God until the day they die, they are going to need to place Holy Faith and Trust into what they do not see, or do not feel. And I must say, it requires amazing Faith and Trust to continue down this Path of Faith that we have been given. The Faith that you and I have been granted, is a Faith that allows us to first see the Truth, and then to Know the Truth. You have been given this Faith, the very Faith that our Father of Faith had . . . the Faith that results in a changed Heart.

Romans 2:28-29 NLT - 28 "For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

For you to pray for what you pray, this is the Work of Christ. He performed His Holy Operation upon your Heart! Your Heart has been changed by the Spirit . . . by the Right Hand of Christ. As I am sure you are aware, we have a description of Romans 2:28-29 and what that Spiritual Circumcision looks like . . . and it is this:
 

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Wow, thank you, 2ndTimothyGroup, for taking the time to write this and for sharing your experiences. I left halfway through reading this to ask the Lord for holy terror. It's a terrifying thing, but whatever it takes, I want it. I pray constantly for a heart of flesh/circumcised heart. I ask the Lord every day to help me submit my will to him. All these things you mentioned, I'm praying for every day. It's frustrating not getting my prayers answered. Maybe it's not time.

Even though your life has been extremely difficult, you're so fortunate to have the assurance, and if that's what it takes, bring it on (not that my life is easy, lol). Thank you again. This means the world. I'd like to save it to read again and again.

BTW, I do know the gospel and have shared it quite a bit. But I know what you're saying. Not many really know what the gospel is. Okay, I'm going to pray for holy terror some more.

Kindly,
GI
Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - 9 "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

These Seven Perfect Verses above . . . memorize them. My two favorite translations are the KJV and NLT for these verses above. The depth of these passages is mind-boggling, for they put the Bible into perspective. All things must pass through the redeeming Hand of Christ . . . that means that we can know all things about the Bible; we can fully understand the Tribulation, but if our Heart has not been Circumcised, hence set-apart from the Law, Jesus will look at that person and say, "Get away from me, you Lawbreakers!" Right . . . their Heart has not been Circumcised, thus, they have not been set-apart from the Law, hence, they are "Lawbreakers." You, however, you are NOT a Lawbreaker, because Christ has set you apart from ALL worldly Laws. You have been set-apart from even the Moral Law, for the Moral Law is no advantage (as most Christians believe that it is). Sorry, but Jeffrey Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, and Adolf Hitler all had the moral law . . . and they were horrific killers. You now live by the last stage of the "Law," which are the Laws of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

This is what Spiritual Circumcision does for a person . . . they are no longer judged by the ways of this world, but by the Ways of the Spirit that Indwell you. You, my friend . . . have escaped the corruption of this world because you have been set-apart from it! You are a Nazarene! Like the Nazarene Christ, you too have been set-apart by His Operative Hand! You have escaped corruption!

2 Peter 1:4 KJV - 4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

So you can see that the Circumcision of Christ, perfectly described in Colossians 2:9-15, is the very act that has set you apart from the worldly Laws. The Jews have the Laws of Moses, and Gentiles have that similar Moral Law . . . we must be set apart from worldly Laws and live by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. You are no longer judged by worldly Laws, because Christ has Circumcised your Heart . . . you have been set-apart from these ugly Laws that actually promote sin and death.

I believe that once you are able to see the flow of Scriptures above, that this is in fact what the entire Bible is about . . . your Faith will abound to perhaps a place where you, too, can know with full Assurance, that your Faith is on solid ground. The fact that what I write to you is making sense (not that I am great or anything at all . . . I am nothing), is an amazing indicator that you have been awakened. Unless I am totally deceived, you are on the True Path of True Faith. You have been given the Faith of Abraham. Abraham's Heart was Circumcised of the Sinful Nature long before Christ was killed, and so physical circumcision is a reflection of Christ's Spiritual Circumcision. This is why Abraham is our Father of Faith! Isn't this incredible?!

Romans 4:7-12 NLT - 7 "Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. 8 Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin." 9 Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was counted as righteous by God because of his faith. 10 But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! 11 Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith. 12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."

People love to quote John 3:16, but the problem is that John 3:16 only tells us of the Purpose of Christ, but it does not explain the Work of Christ. John 3:16 doesn't save anyone, but Colossians 2:9-15 does! If we put the two together, we find the Core of the Gospel of Christ.

John 3:16-17 NLT - 16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him."

And how does Jesus Save?

Colossians 2:11-15 NLT - 11 "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

I could keep going and going and going. I love our Bible! It is the single most incredible piece of material ever written. It is mind-boggling, almost magical . . . even years of so much study and dedication to discovering these things, I still shake my head in amazement of what God has placed into His Holy and Alive Word. I am so amazed.

You are amazing . . . I believe in you and the Path that you're on. Never stop asking, seeking, and knocking! The day we stop . . . it isn't good. Never stop!
 
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Colossians 2:9-15 NLT - 9 "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. 10 So you also are complete through your union with Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority. 11 When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

These Seven Perfect Verses above . . . memorize them. My two favorite translations are the KJV and NLT for these verses above. The depth of these passages is mind-boggling, for they put the Bible into perspective. All things must pass through the redeeming Hand of Christ . . . that means that we can know all things about the Bible; we can fully understand the Tribulation, but if our Heart has not been Circumcised, hence set-apart from the Law, Jesus will look at that person and say, "Get away from me, you Lawbreakers!" Right . . . their Heart has not been Circumcised, thus, they have not been set-apart from the Law, hence, they are "Lawbreakers." You, however, you are NOT a Lawbreaker, because Christ has set you apart from ALL worldly Laws. You have been set-apart from even the Moral Law, for the Moral Law is no advantage (as most Christians believe that it is). Sorry, but Jeffrey Dahmer, Gary Ridgeway, and Adolf Hitler all had the moral law . . . and they were horrific killers. You now live by the last stage of the "Law," which are the Laws of the Spirit of Life.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

This is what Spiritual Circumcision does for a person . . . they are no longer judged by the ways of this world, but by the Ways of the Spirit that Indwell you. You, my friend . . . have escaped the corruption of this world because you have been set-apart from it! You are a Nazarene! Like the Nazarene Christ, you too have been set-apart by His Operative Hand! You have escaped corruption!

2 Peter 1:4 KJV - 4 "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

So you can see that the Circumcision of Christ, perfectly described in Colossians 2:9-15, is the very act that has set you apart from the worldly Laws. The Jews have the Laws of Moses, and Gentiles have that similar Moral Law . . . we must be set apart from worldly Laws and live by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. You are no longer judged by worldly Laws, because Christ has Circumcised your Heart . . . you have been set-apart from these ugly Laws that actually promote sin and death.

I believe that once you are able to see the flow of Scriptures above, that this is in fact what the entire Bible is about . . . your Faith will abound to perhaps a place where you, too, can know with full Assurance, that your Faith is on solid ground. The fact that what I write to you is making sense (not that I am great or anything at all . . . I am nothing), is an amazing indicator that you have been awakened. Unless I am totally deceived, you are on the True Path of True Faith. You have been given the Faith of Abraham. Abraham's Heart was Circumcised of the Sinful Nature long before Christ was killed, and so physical circumcision is a reflection of Christ's Spiritual Circumcision. This is why Abraham is our Father of Faith! Isn't this incredible?!

Romans 4:7-12 NLT - 7 "Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. 8 Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin." 9 Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was counted as righteous by God because of his faith. 10 But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! 11 Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous--even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith. 12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised."

People love to quote John 3:16, but the problem is that John 3:16 only tells us of the Purpose of Christ, but it does not explain the Work of Christ. John 3:16 doesn't save anyone, but Colossians 2:9-15 does! If we put the two together, we find the Core of the Gospel of Christ.

John 3:16-17 NLT - 16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him."

And how does Jesus Save?

Colossians 2:11-15 NLT - 11 "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross. 15 In this way, he disarmed the spiritual rulers and authorities. He shamed them publicly by his victory over them on the cross."

I could keep going and going and going. I love our Bible! It is the single most incredible piece of material ever written. It is mind-boggling, almost magical . . . even years of so much study and dedication to discovering these things, I still shake my head in amazement of what God has placed into His Holy and Alive Word. I am so amazed.

You are amazing . . . I believe in you and the Path that you're on. Never stop asking, seeking, and knocking! The day we stop . . . it isn't good. Never stop!
Thank you, 2ndTimothyGroup, I truly appreciate your taking the time to respond, and even writing this much and sharing your wisdom. What you said gives me some comfort. I had been questioning if God has been working in my mind and heart, and what you said gives me some confirmation, though I'm still terrified, which may be a good thing. 😨 Plus, I'm concerned about the complacency of most "Christians" and believe many aren't saved who believe they are.

You have such incredible work to do here on this forum, and I pray your words are opening eyes and touching hearts. I've seen your posts/comments and agree with you and even hang on your words, because what you say is what I've felt to be true, and I see so much wisdom in what you say.

I will memorize the passages you mentioned. I can hardly thank you enough for taking your precious time to respond and sharing your wisdom. Hoping others will read it too and are helped as well. I'm bookmarking these posts again. They're worth reading over and over.

Kindly,
GI
 

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Thank you, 2ndTimothyGroup, I truly appreciate your taking the time to respond, and even writing this much and sharing your wisdom. What you said gives me some comfort. I had been questioning if God has been working in my mind and heart, and what you said gives me some confirmation, though I'm still terrified, which may be a good thing. 😨 Plus, I'm concerned about the complacency of most "Christians" and believe many aren't saved who believe they are.

You have such incredible work to do here on this forum, and I pray your words are opening eyes and touching hearts. I've seen your posts/comments and agree with you and even hang on your words, because what you say is what I've felt to be true, and I see so much wisdom in what you say.

I will memorize the passages you mentioned. I can hardly thank you enough for taking your precious time to respond and sharing your wisdom. Hoping others will read it too and are helped as well. I'm bookmarking these posts again. They're worth reading over and over.

Kindly,
GI
You are so welcome! And . . . you are worth it. All of you are worth my time. I believe in each of us!

If you Truly want to get over insecurities, this will mostly depend on your level of obedience. This is where things become difficult for most of us. Now, remember . . . I know nothing about you, so the things that I am about to mention have nothing to do with you, but "us all" as a whole. So . . . do "you" obey?

Have we cleaned up our past? Have we made FULL amends to those whom we have hurt? Are we willing to go to each person that we have hurt and take of the pain and other possible losses? Are we willing to repay with interest? Are we willing to do anything reasonable that another might ask of us . . . if we have caused the problem?

Do we owe money? What about the IRS? Have we been honest? Do we report honest amounts when we sell a car, or boat, etc . . . thus keeping part of the proceeds for ourselves? Are we willing to call the IRS and set the past straight? And more, are we willing to discontinue our sexual ways? Which of you church-goers are willing to stop sleeping with multiple partners during the week? You know who you are . . . I was one of them . . . I know how it is. Who is willing to stop having sex altogether . . . and wait until marriage? And more, who is willing to do as Paul instructed, and remain single if they were single when Christ Circumcised their Heart? Who is willing to become the actual person that the Bible describes as a True Christian? Who has Transformed? Who has been given a new Heart, Mind, and Spirit?

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

There is only one way to know, for sure, that we have been sprinkled clean, given that new Heart and Spirit . . . and it is identifiable by whether or not we are obedient. Did you notice the bold words above? The Lord changes us so that we will obey. If we do not make a total life change, then we have not been sprinkled by the Right Hand of Christ. We have not received His Holy Circumcision. We cannot be saved if we continue to live in strip clubs and the bottom of a hardcore bottle (of booze). That was me. I was a "Saved Christian," yet is was living the life of Satan . . . I was truly horrible.

But you are not horrible! All things that you write and evidence that you are Truly a Child of God. Now, it is up to you to decide which level of confidence that you want to employ. Your sense of Confidence and Assurance is directly related to your level of Obedience. This is unavoidable. Remember BSOCS? We cannot Share if we are not Confident. We cannot be confident if we do not Obey. We will not Obey if we have not Truly Submitted, and if we have not Truly Submitted to Christ, it is then a direct reflection of our belief system. If we have not Submitted, it means that our Belief system is faulty . . . I see no way around this.

And know that your fear of the Lord is incredible! Never lose this Holy Fear! But I will say this; once you hold Assurance in God, your fear of God will become healthy. You will know that He can take your life at any second of the day, but you will also know that if He does, He takes away your physical life and grants you something infinitely better . . . an Eternal Life to share in the most incredible, Powerful, Awe-inspiring place you could ever imagine. So worry not! Believe, Submit, Obey, Be Confident, and continue to Share!!!
 
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You are so welcome! And . . . you are worth it. All of you are worth my time. I believe in each of us!

If you Truly want to get over insecurities, this will mostly depend on your level of obedience. This is where things become difficult for most of us. Now, remember . . . I know nothing about you, so the things that I am about to mention have nothing to do with you, but "us all" as a whole. So . . . do "you" obey?

Have we cleaned up our past? Have we made FULL amends to those whom we have hurt? Are we willing to go to each person that we have hurt and take of the pain and other possible losses? Are we willing to repay with interest? Are we willing to do anything reasonable that another might ask of us . . . if we have caused the problem?

Do we owe money? What about the IRS? Have we been honest? Do we report honest amounts when we sell a car, or boat, etc . . . thus keeping part of the proceeds for ourselves? Are we willing to call the IRS and set the past straight? And more, are we willing to discontinue our sexual ways? Which of you church-goers are willing to stop sleeping with multiple partners during the week? You know who you are . . . I was one of them . . . I know how it is. Who is willing to stop having sex altogether . . . and wait until marriage? And more, who is willing to do as Paul instructed, and remain single if they were single when Christ Circumcised their Heart? Who is willing to become the actual person that the Bible describes as a True Christian? Who has Transformed? Who has been given a new Heart, Mind, and Spirit?

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - 25 "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

There is only one way to know, for sure, that we have been sprinkled clean, given that new Heart and Spirit . . . and it is identifiable by whether or not we are obedient. Did you notice the bold words above? The Lord changes us so that we will obey. If we do not make a total life change, then we have not been sprinkled by the Right Hand of Christ. We have not received His Holy Circumcision. We cannot be saved if we continue to live in strip clubs and the bottom of a hardcore bottle (of booze). That was me. I was a "Saved Christian," yet is was living the life of Satan . . . I was truly horrible.

But you are not horrible! All things that you write and evidence that you are Truly a Child of God. Now, it is up to you to decide which level of confidence that you want to employ. Your sense of Confidence and Assurance is directly related to your level of Obedience. This is unavoidable. Remember BSOCS? We cannot Share if we are not Confident. We cannot be confident if we do not Obey. We will not Obey if we have not Truly Submitted, and if we have not Truly Submitted to Christ, it is then a direct reflection of our belief system. If we have not Submitted, it means that our Belief system is faulty . . . I see no way around this.

And know that your fear of the Lord is incredible! Never lose this Holy Fear! But I will say this; once you hold Assurance in God, your fear of God will become healthy. You will know that He can take your life at any second of the day, but you will also know that if He does, He takes away your physical life and grants you something infinitely better . . . an Eternal Life to share in the most incredible, Powerful, Awe-inspiring place you could ever imagine. So worry not! Believe, Submit, Obey, Be Confident, and continue to Share!!!
Wow. Your wisdom is such a blessing to us. I do strive for obedience, though pride and selfishness are my nemeses. Yikes, there are a couple of people that need apologies from me. Oops, thanks for the reminder. Thanks again for sharing your time and wisdom with us. It's invaluable.
 

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Wow. Your wisdom is such a blessing to us. I do strive for obedience, though pride and selfishness are my nemeses. Yikes, there are a couple of people that need apologies from me. Oops, thanks for the reminder. Thanks again for sharing your time and wisdom with us. It's invaluable.
You are welcome, my friend. You are well on your way to being a great leader. But keep in mind, the path that we are on is not easy . . . but is very difficult. This form of "leadership" is difficult as well . . . it will not feel good. If you recall, Paul discloses to us that all people in the Province of Asia had abandoned him (2nd Timothy letter). That is just mind-numbing!!!!!

You belong to the "Remnant" and that means that there are very few people like you. Don't expect that you'll run into anyone like you anytime soon, and that includes those within your own church. Remember, it will be Mother against daughter, etc, so this means that those close to you are at church . . . and Jesus came to divide us from those who are close.

Luke 12:51-53 NLT - "Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other! 52 From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against--or two in favor and three against. 53 'Father will be divided against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother; and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.'"
 
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You are welcome, my friend. You are well on your way to being a great leader. But keep in mind, the path that we are on is not easy . . . but is very difficult. This form of "leadership" is difficult as well . . . it will not feel good. If you recall, Paul discloses to us that all people in the Province of Asia had abandoned him (2nd Timothy letter). That is just mind-numbing!!!!!

You belong to the "Remnant" and that means that there are very few people like you. Don't expect that you'll run into anyone like you anytime soon, and that includes those within your own church. Remember, it will be Mother against daughter, etc, so this means that those close to you are at church . . . and Jesus came to divide us from those who are close.

Luke 12:51-53 NLT - "Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other! 52 From now on families will be split apart, three in favor of me, and two against--or two in favor and three against. 53 'Father will be divided against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother; and mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.'"
You're right, it is mind-numbing that all in the province of Asia abandoned Paul. I'm okay with being abandoned. Already my family members, who are Mormon, are avoiding me and scared of me, which is fine. And you're right, it's rare to find others in the same place who want to talk about the gospel. Thanks for your faithfulness, wisdom, and example here. You're a rare gem.
 

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Already my family members, who are Mormon, are avoiding me and scared of me, which is fine.
Each time you write back to me . . . you say the exact things that a person would say who is a True Child of God! Jesus told us that our lives would be miserable! Isn't that awesome!? Aren't you thrilled beyond imagination that you are meeting the Holy Description of a despised Christian?! (Boy it feels good to capitalize "Christian" for you. I rarely get to do that!)

Thank you for your compliments . . . they feel good, no doubt. But as you know, the Lord is giving you Holy Wisdom . . . this is about you! I want this to be about you . . . and how fortunate you are! My desire is that you would recognize your personal value, now that you see how it is the Lord who is currently awakening you to a whole New Life. Be amazed and what God has done for you, and is continuing to do. You already see the Core of the Bible . . . so as this Core Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision is slowly revealed to you more and more, you will be absolutely mind-blown that God has kept this hidden since the very beginning, just as Paul said:

Ephesians 3:9-12 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Because of Christ and our faith in him, we can now come boldly and confidently into God's presence."

Don't you see it? You are being shown this very Plan. Very few are given this right and privilege! There is nothing greater that could ever happen to you than to receive the Circumcision of Christ so that you can even begin to comprehend these things. Before long, you will begin to understand that Veil of Moses, and that how when he lowered the Veil, the minds and Hearts of Israel were allowed to receive and understand the ways of God, but when Moses covered his face with the Veil, this represents those with Hardened Hearts. It is amazing how God causes us to think specific ways . . . and according to His Plan and Holy Timing. But as said, you will begin to see yourself in the Scriptures . . . the realization that you are a recipient of the "Promises" that were given to Abraham . . . the Promise of a Circumcised Heart, which when this is done, you became an heir to the Promised Holy Land! That's right . . . the Promise to Land wasn't only to Jews, but to Gentiles as well! So we know that this promise was not just about physical land, but Holy Land!

2 Corinthians 3:14 NLT - "But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ."

The removal of that Veil is the process of Spiritual Circumcision as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Do you see it? The Veil being removed IS the Circumcision of Christ. Can you believe that THAT is what the Veil was all about? It troubles me that no pastor ever taught these ultra-clear teachings as I am giving them to you. Very, very troubling.

Ok . . . gotta run!

As you learn of this Doctrine, what has happened to you will become more and more realized, and the more you realize, the more you will be utterly amazed! Here is what is currently happening to you:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

That's the KJV and it's as clear as a bell. There isn't much guesswork at all as to the Promises of God. Is there anything greater that God could do for a person than to change the way "he" thinks? To have the mind of Satan removed and replaced with the Mind of Christ . . . this is Salvation! What more could we ever ask for? What is more important than being Spiritually Circumcised by Christ? Knowing this Doctrine, this Holy Teaching is the single most important thing for us to be learning and studying. We can know all things about the Tribulation, but if our Heart is still under the Adamic Curse, then knowledge of the Trib is worthless. It means nothing. Knowledge of the Trib will not prevent a person from entering into hell. What sends a person to hell is the fact that they did not Turn to Christ to be lifted of that Curse. So simple. The Bible is so utterly simple to grasp and understand, yet few seem to.

Whew . . . I could just keep going and going. I am really excited for you . . . you are the first person that I've ever spoken to that is in the process of waking up. You are Transforming! And you, my friend, are about to soon have a real Romans 12:2 Transformation story, of how you were so utterly Transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you are a completely new person in the way that you think. For you are being delivered from having the unholy mind of satan to one with the Holy Mind of Christ.

Congratulations!
 
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Each time you write back to me . . . you say the exact things that a person would say who is a True Child of God! Jesus told us that our lives would be miserable! Isn't that awesome!? Aren't you thrilled beyond imagination that you are meeting the Holy Description of a despised Christian?! (Boy it feels good to capitalize "Christian" for you. I rarely get to do that!)

Thank you for your compliments . . . they feel good, no doubt. But as you know, the Lord is giving you Holy Wisdom . . . this is about you! I want this to be about you . . . and how fortunate you are! My desire is that you would recognize your personal value, now that you see how it is the Lord who is currently awakening you to a whole New Life. Be amazed and what God has done for you, and is continuing to do. You already see the Core of the Bible . . . so as this Core Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision is slowly revealed to you more and more, you will be absolutely mind-blown that God has kept this hidden since the very beginning, just as Paul said:

Ephesians 3:9-12 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Because of Christ and our faith in him, we can now come boldly and confidently into God's presence."

Don't you see it? You are being shown this very Plan. Very few are given this right and privilege! There is nothing greater that could ever happen to you than to receive the Circumcision of Christ so that you can even begin to comprehend these things. Before long, you will begin to understand that Veil of Moses, and that how when he lowered the Veil, the minds and Hearts of Israel were allowed to receive and understand the ways of God, but when Moses covered his face with the Veil, this represents those with Hardened Hearts. It is amazing how God causes us to think specific ways . . . and according to His Plan and Holy Timing. But as said, you will begin to see yourself in the Scriptures . . . the realization that you are a recipient of the "Promises" that were given to Abraham . . . the Promise of a Circumcised Heart, which when this is done, you became an heir to the Promised Holy Land! That's right . . . the Promise to Land wasn't only to Jews, but to Gentiles as well! So we know that this promise was not just about physical land, but Holy Land!

2 Corinthians 3:14 NLT - "But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ."

The removal of that Veil is the process of Spiritual Circumcision as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Do you see it? The Veil being removed IS the Circumcision of Christ. Can you believe that THAT is what the Veil was all about? It troubles me that no pastor ever taught these ultra-clear teachings as I am giving them to you. Very, very troubling.

Ok . . . gotta run!

As you learn of this Doctrine, what has happened to you will become more and more realized, and the more you realize, the more you will be utterly amazed! Here is what is currently happening to you:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

That's the KJV and it's as clear as a bell. There isn't much guesswork at all as to the Promises of God. Is there anything greater that God could do for a person than to change the way "he" thinks? To have the mind of Satan removed and replaced with the Mind of Christ . . . this is Salvation! What more could we ever ask for? What is more important than being Spiritually Circumcised by Christ? Knowing this Doctrine, this Holy Teaching is the single most important thing for us to be learning and studying. We can know all things about the Tribulation, but if our Heart is still under the Adamic Curse, then knowledge of the Trib is worthless. It means nothing. Knowledge of the Trib will not prevent a person from entering into hell. What sends a person to hell is the fact that they did not Turn to Christ to be lifted of that Curse. So simple. The Bible is so utterly simple to grasp and understand, yet few seem to.

Whew . . . I could just keep going and going. I am really excited for you . . . you are the first person that I've ever spoken to that is in the process of waking up. You are Transforming! And you, my friend, are about to soon have a real Romans 12:2 Transformation story, of how you were so utterly Transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you are a completely new person in the way that you think. For you are being delivered from having the unholy mind of satan to one with the Holy Mind of Christ.

Congratulations!
Oops, migraine interruption. I'll be back when I can think straight and read. But what I was able to read, you totally made my day, so thank you, 2ndTimothy !!!
 

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Oops, migraine interruption. I'll be back when I can think straight and read. But what I was able to read, you totally made my day, so thank you, 2ndTimothy !!!
You deserve it because that's exactly how God feels about His Chosen Ones . . .

Leviticus 26:13 NLT - 13 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt so you would no longer be their slaves. I broke the yoke of slavery from your neck so you can walk with your heads held high."
 
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Each time you write back to me . . . you say the exact things that a person would say who is a True Child of God! Jesus told us that our lives would be miserable! Isn't that awesome!? Aren't you thrilled beyond imagination that you are meeting the Holy Description of a despised Christian?! (Boy it feels good to capitalize "Christian" for you. I rarely get to do that!)

Thank you for your compliments . . . they feel good, no doubt. But as you know, the Lord is giving you Holy Wisdom . . . this is about you! I want this to be about you . . . and how fortunate you are! My desire is that you would recognize your personal value, now that you see how it is the Lord who is currently awakening you to a whole New Life. Be amazed and what God has done for you, and is continuing to do. You already see the Core of the Bible . . . so as this Core Doctrine of Spiritual Circumcision is slowly revealed to you more and more, you will be absolutely mind-blown that God has kept this hidden since the very beginning, just as Paul said:

Ephesians 3:9-12 NLT - "I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. 10 God's purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. 11 This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 Because of Christ and our faith in him, we can now come boldly and confidently into God's presence."

Don't you see it? You are being shown this very Plan. Very few are given this right and privilege! There is nothing greater that could ever happen to you than to receive the Circumcision of Christ so that you can even begin to comprehend these things. Before long, you will begin to understand that Veil of Moses, and that how when he lowered the Veil, the minds and Hearts of Israel were allowed to receive and understand the ways of God, but when Moses covered his face with the Veil, this represents those with Hardened Hearts. It is amazing how God causes us to think specific ways . . . and according to His Plan and Holy Timing. But as said, you will begin to see yourself in the Scriptures . . . the realization that you are a recipient of the "Promises" that were given to Abraham . . . the Promise of a Circumcised Heart, which when this is done, you became an heir to the Promised Holy Land! That's right . . . the Promise to Land wasn't only to Jews, but to Gentiles as well! So we know that this promise was not just about physical land, but Holy Land!

2 Corinthians 3:14 NLT - "But the people's minds were hardened, and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ."

The removal of that Veil is the process of Spiritual Circumcision as described in Colossians 2:9-15. Do you see it? The Veil being removed IS the Circumcision of Christ. Can you believe that THAT is what the Veil was all about? It troubles me that no pastor ever taught these ultra-clear teachings as I am giving them to you. Very, very troubling.

Ok . . . gotta run!

As you learn of this Doctrine, what has happened to you will become more and more realized, and the more you realize, the more you will be utterly amazed! Here is what is currently happening to you:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 KJV - "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

That's the KJV and it's as clear as a bell. There isn't much guesswork at all as to the Promises of God. Is there anything greater that God could do for a person than to change the way "he" thinks? To have the mind of Satan removed and replaced with the Mind of Christ . . . this is Salvation! What more could we ever ask for? What is more important than being Spiritually Circumcised by Christ? Knowing this Doctrine, this Holy Teaching is the single most important thing for us to be learning and studying. We can know all things about the Tribulation, but if our Heart is still under the Adamic Curse, then knowledge of the Trib is worthless. It means nothing. Knowledge of the Trib will not prevent a person from entering into hell. What sends a person to hell is the fact that they did not Turn to Christ to be lifted of that Curse. So simple. The Bible is so utterly simple to grasp and understand, yet few seem to.

Whew . . . I could just keep going and going. I am really excited for you . . . you are the first person that I've ever spoken to that is in the process of waking up. You are Transforming! And you, my friend, are about to soon have a real Romans 12:2 Transformation story, of how you were so utterly Transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you are a completely new person in the way that you think. For you are being delivered from having the unholy mind of satan to one with the Holy Mind of Christ.

Congratulations!
I'm so glad I finally got to read your comment. It has truly encouraged me. I did not know that's what the veil is about, circumcision of the heart. I'm actually feeling some hope now, as I know the veil is disappearing, yay! I can see a veil on probably everyone I've shared the gospel with, and especially Mormons.

I can't tell you how much what you've written has helped me, as I've been beating myself up all day, wondering what I need to do to be saved and crying to the Lord. What you wrote is an answer to my prayers, and maybe I can rest in it for now, hopefully. Thank you! I'm truly grateful, and I'm glad I finally got to finish reading what you had written. I wish I had read it all earlier. I can hardly thank you enough for your encouragement.

Yes, misery has its benefits. I'm actually grateful for it. It seems like it was one of your posts that you said all your family and friends hate you (Maybe it was someone else?). When my family and friends hate me (maybe they do), I'll feel more assured, seriously, as crazy as it sounds.😂 Thank you for taking so much time to help me. It really means the world. I'm feeling so encouraged. Wow, I had been praying for encouragement. Yay! I have to celebrate this moment of hope.
 

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I can see a veil on probably everyone I've shared the gospel with, and especially Mormons.
It's brutal, isn't it?! It is sad, yes, that you are able to recognize that so many around you are "asleep." The more you understand the Bible (the Doctrine of Circumcised Hearts), you will become more and more aware of how completely different you are from anyone else you know. Virtually no one will understand what it is that God has been showing you, and will continue to show you, and before you know it, you may find yourself to be completely alone in this world. It is remarkable, but that is what the Bible says will happen to us. We will be rejected by the world . . . and when that happens . . . SWEET! When "you" are hated, that is prime evidence of being an actual Christian, and not just a "said christian."

I am amazed that you have found "my" words to be helpful. I must be honest, though, that I could tell there was something different about my writing for you. I assume that it may have been the Holy Influence of God . . . but I'm not sure. It actually doesn't take must time for me to write those words to you . . . they flow off of my fingertips like water. In fact, I don't even proofread before I hit send. And thanks for reading through the mistakes, by the way.

It amazes me that you feel reassured of your Faith when you feel hated. To the world that does indeed sound crazy, but to me, it is 100% evidence of God removing the Curse of the Sin Nature so that you can think and feel according to the Divine Nature. You are thinking more and more like Christ, and that is because you now share in His Divine Nature. Unbelievable!!

Note the KJV translation - 2 Peter 1:4 KJV - "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

The above 2nd Pet verses is a Keystone passage of the Bible. This needs to be one of the verses that you always remember. True Christians ALL share in this same Divine Nature, and "we" can be identified by completely renewed thinking . . . we just see things much differently than the rest of the world. Again . . . unbelievable. :)
 

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circumcised heart

when they heard about jesus they were cut to the heart...I remember that passage, and I think that every believer must have had this experience of having their heart broken or pricked. And then mended by God. And thats how you know.

someone mentioned being mormon and mormons would share that they felt their hearts being warmed when they believed in mormon doctrine. Ha I dont know about that. Sounds a bit like lust to me!


Grace is defined as the divine action on the heart. And to do His work, there needs to be some heart circumcision, dont be afraid of it. That is how the holy ghost can enter.
 
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It's brutal, isn't it?! It is sad, yes, that you are able to recognize that so many around you are "asleep." The more you understand the Bible (the Doctrine of Circumcised Hearts), you will become more and more aware of how completely different you are from anyone else you know. Virtually no one will understand what it is that God has been showing you, and will continue to show you, and before you know it, you may find yourself to be completely alone in this world. It is remarkable, but that is what the Bible says will happen to us. We will be rejected by the world . . . and when that happens . . . SWEET! When "you" are hated, that is prime evidence of being an actual Christian, and not just a "said christian."

I am amazed that you have found "my" words to be helpful. I must be honest, though, that I could tell there was something different about my writing for you. I assume that it may have been the Holy Influence of God . . . but I'm not sure. It actually doesn't take must time for me to write those words to you . . . they flow off of my fingertips like water. In fact, I don't even proofread before I hit send. And thanks for reading through the mistakes, by the way.

It amazes me that you feel reassured of your Faith when you feel hated. To the world that does indeed sound crazy, but to me, it is 100% evidence of God removing the Curse of the Sin Nature so that you can think and feel according to the Divine Nature. You are thinking more and more like Christ, and that is because you now share in His Divine Nature. Unbelievable!!

Note the KJV translation - 2 Peter 1:4 KJV - "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust."

The above 2nd Pet verses is a Keystone passage of the Bible. This needs to be one of the verses that you always remember. True Christians ALL share in this same Divine Nature, and "we" can be identified by completely renewed thinking . . . we just see things much differently than the rest of the world. Again . . . unbelievable. :)
2ndTimothy, You helped me to see how the Lord has been working in me. It had been so subtle, I couldn't really see it, and it's been much slower than I'd expect. I sincerely appreciate your opening my eyes to it.

"Brutal" is a good word for it, and it's lonely in the way that there aren't many (as far as Christians) to share an amazing passage or sermon with who get excited about it. I love 2 Peter 1:4. Thank you, and I'll remember it. It's beautiful and says so much.

Now that I’m a Mormon apostate, my family believes Satan got hold of me.😨😂 My brother told me I've been blinded by Satan, and I'm filled with darkness. I love the subtle persecution, but I also want my family to come into the truth.

Thanks again, 2ndTimothy! Today is such a better day. 🤗
 

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circumcised heart

when they heard about jesus they were cut to the heart...I remember that passage, and I think that every believer must have had this experience of having their heart broken or pricked. And then mended by God. And thats how you know.

someone mentioned being mormon and mormons would share that they felt their hearts being warmed when they believed in mormon doctrine. Ha I dont know about that. Sounds a bit like lust to me!


Grace is defined as the divine action on the heart. And to do His work, there needs to be some heart circumcision, dont be afraid of it. That is how the holy ghost can enter.
That's a very cool post, my friend.