Is Heaven a planet like earth?

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Tintin

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Oh tanach, your not in a 'relationship' with Jesus? Jesus is a person who speaks often through His Spirit, the little birdy (dove) told me ;-)
Holy Spirit isn't a dove. Holy Spirit came to rest on Jesus like a dove, after He was baptised. That's figurative language.
 
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I have never read a translation that mentions "a new heaven and a new planet". You just changed the verse to suit your presupposition. And no, the flat earth belief belonged to the pagan world, not Jews and Christians. Also, the head of the resurgence of the movement is a very vocal atheist.
And the founders of heliocentricism and spherical earth are all heretics and pagans. The propagators of these heresies in today's world are pretty blatantly pagan institutions. Remember, the Bible explicitly says earth does not move, the sky is spread out like a tent over earth, and the sun circuits the earth. Surprised you have not figured it out yet Tintin. The spherical earth heresy and the heliocentric heresy are the lynchpins of our common foe, the old earth mythology.
 
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Gav777

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Triton thats my translation since this earth is a planet now that all of the world agrees on that including christians and jews. So if earth is a planet, the new earth '3rd heaven' is also a planet not some fluffy cloud with harp playing cupids like many may think.
 
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Gav777

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Was just being cheeky about the dove, the Holy Spirit isnt a dove but somehow in that form carried the nature of a dove. My point was more about the relationship with the person of the Holy Spirit as He reveals much. The spirit of Prophecy Paul said to eagerly desire would be key here in understanding spiritual matters about the realm of the spirit. By the Holy Spirit these are lenses by which to see.
 
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Tintin

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Triton thats my translation since this earth is a planet now that all of the world agrees on that including christians and jews. So if earth is a planet, the new earth '3rd heaven' is also a planet not some fluffy cloud with harp playing cupids like many may think.
Okay, fair enough. But the New Heaven and New Earth will actually be Heaven coming to a restored Creation on Earth.
 
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Triton thats my translation since this earth is a planet now that all of the world agrees on that including christians and jews. So if earth is a planet, the new earth '3rd heaven' is also a planet not some fluffy cloud with harp playing cupids like many may think.
Just because some of the world agrees to a lie does not make it true. The earth and the heavens are just as the Bible says and as those people understood them to be. The heavens are the sky (the firmament), space, and the third heavens might be beyond our ability to perceive mortally, but logically would be above or beyond what is called outer space.

The heavens and earth though will perish one day, and yea that will be a sad day. Though that terrible day will come so too shall much gladness for Jesus returns and God shall make new heaven and new earth and rule forever.
 
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Tintin

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Just because some of the world agrees to a lie does not make it true. The earth and the heavens are just as the Bible says and as those people understood them to be. The heavens are the sky (the firmament), space, and the third heavens might be beyond our ability to perceive mortally, but logically would be above or beyond what is called outer space.

The heavens and earth though will perish one day, and yea that will be a sad day. Though that terrible day will come so too shall much gladness for Jesus returns and God shall make new heaven and new earth and rule forever.
Brother, but we must understand, that while the Bible should be read plainly much of the time, there's still a lot of figurative language. Context and genre show us which is which. Here, the language is figurative.
 
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Genesis 1:1
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Matthew 3:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP] When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

Which Heaven are you referring to that is a Planet? You do not know there are other Heavens God talks about so which one are you referring to?
 
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Brother, but we must understand, that while the Bible should be read plainly much of the time, there's still a lot of figurative language. Context and genre show us which is which. Here, the language is figurative.
Lol, seems pretty blatant to me Tin. The Bible says clearly and literally that the earth don't move. It says and is implied literally throughout the Bible the sun circuits the earth. It was not figurative when Joshua the son of Nun told the sun to stand still. It is good to understand that reality is just as the Bible says it is.

For real though, you rightly laugh at the absurd notion of a billions year old creation. Yet you don't think it absurd the notion of earth spinning 1,000 mph on an axis, 65,000 mph around the sun, and a ridiculous 400,000+ mph around a fictional galaxy? My beloved Tin, don't you understand the space heresies are a leading reason why people are so easily duped by the old earth mythology? It's even in part a reason why they have to keep revising the age upwards by such hilarious increments.
 
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Tintin

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Lol, seems pretty blatant to me Tin. The Bible says clearly and literally that the earth don't move. It says and is implied literally throughout the Bible the sun circuits the earth. It was not figurative when Joshua the son of Nun told the sun to stand still. It is good to understand that reality is just as the Bible says it is.

For real though, you rightly laugh at the absurd notion of a billions year old creation. Yet you don't think it absurd the notion of earth spinning 1,000 mph on an axis, 65,000 mph around the sun, and a ridiculous 400,000+ mph around a fictional galaxy? My beloved Tin, don't you understand the space heresies are a leading reason why people are so easily duped by the old earth mythology? It's even in part a reason why they have to keep revising the age upwards by such hilarious increments.
Brother, the Joshua event is historical narrative and true. The other things you mentioned are figurative moments used to exemplify God's mastery over His creation. They're also truth, but using figurative language.
 
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tanach

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Gav777 Strange he only told you this nonsense., and not the millions of other Christians aROUND the world. As for my relationship with Jesus that's between him and me only.
 
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Gav777

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Thats my translation tintin. Since the word planet was not used in the time when the new testament was used, and now Christians, Jews and the whole world know earth as a planet. So if earth is a planet then Heaven is a planet :)
 
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Gav777

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Amos 3:7 tanach. Paul also said to eagerly desire prophecy as it is the ability to see in the spirit beyond just the knowledge of scriptures
 
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Gav777

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All Christians should be in relationship with Jesus, yeah?
 
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tanach

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Amos lived in a time when the OT was still being formed as did Paul in regard to the NT. The prophecy that Paul was talking about was not on the same level as that of himelf or Amos. You are claiming to have been given new knowledge not found in the Bible.. You are placing your self on their level and trying to turn your own speculations into scripture.. The Bible only is Gods complete revelation at this time
 
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Gav777

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Genesis 1:1
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Matthew 3:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP] When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.

Which Heaven are you referring to that is a Planet? You do not know there are other Heavens God talks about so which one are you referring to?
That word heavens is plural. How far was Jesus' scope of vision, where and what was he looking at? Have any of us had any same kind of vision? Acts 2 talks about when the Holy Spirit will be poured out visions dreams and prophecy will result. There are many who have been to heaven and back living in the world today. They testify of what Jesus showed them so that the world will know. I think for too long Christians have based their understanding of Heaven upon a thoery/interpretation and not experience. Jesus is shifting this in the last great out pouring of His Spirit before He returns. He ascended upwards, prior He said, 'in my Fathers house are many mansions, I go to prepare a place for you' how many of us know that He has been preparing this place John saw for the last 2000 years......and its ready but the church isn't. Time has been extended so more will be saved.
 
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Gav777

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Amos lived in a time when the OT was still being formed as did Paul in regard to the NT. The prophecy that Paul was talking about was not on the same level as that of himelf or Amos. You are claiming to have been given new knowledge not found in the Bible.. You are placing your self on their level and trying to turn your own speculations into scripture.. The Bible only is Gods complete revelation at this time
Fair point, except for what is written in acts 2:17 and in 1 corinthians 13 where Paul also says eagerly desire the greater gifts especially prophecy. My healing rooms team often finds the need to have the Holy Spirits gift of prophecy, word of knowledge and healing to see literal, not figurative healing and deliverance for those who come to our rooms.
 
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Gav777

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Gav777 Strange he only told you this nonsense., and not the millions of other Christians aROUND the world. As for my relationship with Jesus that's between him and me only.
Your being told now. It takes time to get to the billions.