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Medically speaking Lewy body dementia causes hallucinations so there is a specific form of dementia which is associated with a hallucinations and it is nothing like delerium even in my short time on placements I can recognise the difference. Then there is psychosis again where you have hallucinations. Those with dementia hallucinating you are advised to redirrect not correct as correcting just causes distress. However you do not agree with the hallucination, so redirrection and distraction is the order of the day. If a person with Alzeihmers thinks their husband is still alive would I correct them no I would change the topic. If I tell them their husband has died it would be as if they had just heard that for the first time, so each time would be like the first time.
Thanks for posting this. My mother was a nurse's aid, not a nurse. She was not educated as to how to deal with Alzheimer's patients and those with dementia. They were not people in beginning stages, but very advanced. If people would have argued with them, it would have caused them distress.
 
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I have read a lot of this thread, and I would like to posit two thing
(1) lying is a sin

(2) sometimes, telling a lie, which is SIN is ethical.

Such as when someone lies to protect human life. The midwives lied and protected the Hebrew baby boys in Egypt- and God blessed them.

Exodus 1: 17-21 "But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive. And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive? And the midwives said unto Pharoah, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come into them. Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty. And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God that He made them
houses."

The midwives lied, and were not rejected by God, but were blessed.

Not a whole lot of people made it into the heroes of faith chapter in Hebrews 11
Hebrews 11:31 "By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace."

As far as breaking the commandment not to lie, Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: AGAINST such there is NO LAW."

I think of the ten commandments as primary school, and manifesting the fruits of the spirit as post-graduate work.
 
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explain the 1 Corinthians scripture that says no other sin is against your body except sexual immorality..
Seriously??? You claiming nothing is a sin except for sexual immorality?

So, getting drunk is not a sin? What about murder? Adultery? Bank robbing?.... you're good with those as being not sin?

You're a classic example of someone who takes one verse out of context... and hangs his hat on that one verse, and ignored the rest of the Word of God.

Your spiritual growth is stunted... you still be in a high chair with yo bib on :rolleyes:

Here, chew on these a while...

Galatians 5:16-24
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 5:1-7
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becoming saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whore monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things come the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them. (see Exodus 23:2)

 
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Proud smokers... lighting up





I've got good valves!

Hey Leave the valves out of it and drop the pride for some folks are born with a bad valve, practice at being quick to think slow to speak on such matters...
 
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after all of the knowledge that has been proven and given to us through these many years and
ways of this world, not to mention what we have personally witnessed, by destroying ourselves
through what makes us feel good,? I often grieve over the choices my brothers and sisters make...
but now, after what I have been through these many years, I understand it completely, one only
experiences the Love of God and serves Him, or decides to comply and obey to the will of satan,
the one who chooses to steal Jesus' people away from Him through any means
that he can come up with -
as pitiful and as unreasonable as they are...it grieves me to say this, but it is the Truth...
 
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hornetguy

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Seriously??? You claiming nothing is a sin except for sexual immorality?

So, getting drunk is not a sin? What about murder? Adultery? Bank robbing?.... you're good with those as being not sin?

You're a classic example of someone who takes one verse out of context... and hangs his hat on that one verse, and ignored the rest of the Word of God.

Your spiritual growth is stunted... you still be in a high chair with yo bib on :rolleyes:

Here, chew on these a while...

Galatians 5:16-24
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 5:1-7
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becoming saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whore monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things come the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them. (see Exodus 23:2)

apparently your reading comprehension skills are worse than your exegesis.... like talking to a wall...
 

hornetguy

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Seriously??? You claiming nothing is a sin except for sexual immorality?
I'm going to try this one more time, troll....

Please tell me what you think that scripture is saying.....?

YOU said that smoking is a sin against your body... Paul disagrees.

HE said that every OTHER sin that a person commits has nothing to do with sinning against your body. The ONLY sin that is considered a sin against your body is sexual immorality.

So, for people with even rudimentary comprehension, that means that doing things that "harm your body" are NOT sins. They might be stupid, but they are not sins.

There are PLENTY of ways to sin.... (trolling SHOULD be considered a sin :rolleyes:) but the whole "your body is a temple" thing is talking about ONE thing. Sexual immorality.
 

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Chew on this for a while...

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


Surely nobody thinks breathing in smoke... on purpose, to intoxicate our body... is bringing glory unto the Lord???
Jesus said it’s not that which goes into a man that defiles a man but that which comes out of the heart is what defiles a man. He knows the hearts of everyone so who are you to judge another man’s servant. You don’t know anyone’s heart and therefore have no right to judge anyone else.

To try to speak for God on such an issue makes it sound like you are exalting yourself and trying to do God’s job for him. If that’s the case, then I hate to tell you but it ain’t gonna happen cause pride is one of those things that Jesus himself said defiles the body. So it might be a good idea to check your own body and leave everybody else’s body alone.

Here’s a list of things that defile a man:
Mark 7:18:23
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
 

hornetguy

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Whassup with the screen namexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx? Just sayin...
Junior high mentality....try to keep to the subject... that's what adults do.

You still have not answered the question about 1 Corinthians 6.... here it is, pasted in it's entirety. Please explain your understanding of all of it, but particularly verse 18... I'll highlight it in red, so you can find it more easily...

[SUP]12 [/SUP]All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Food is for the [SUP][g][/SUP]stomach and the [SUP][h][/SUP]stomach is for food, but God will do away with both [SUP][i][/SUP]of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Now God has not only raised the Lord, but will also raise us up through His power. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be! [SUP]16 [/SUP]Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.” [SUP]17 [/SUP]But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the [SUP][j][/SUP]immoral man sins against his own body. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Or do you not know that your body is a [SUP][k][/SUP]temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from [SUP][l][/SUP]God, and that you are not your own? [SUP]20 [/SUP]For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
 
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We can find are some kind of liars in the next verses KJV 1John2;3-4 3.And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.4.He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.;And they shall have their part in the lake of fire KJV Revelation21;8 8.But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
 
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I agree,and If possible,tell them In love.:)
You go to your grandson's Christmas program and you aren't very impressed, but afterwards he says, "How'd we do, Granddad?" and you say, "I wasn't very impressed," and you march off pleased that you told the truth.
 
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HisHolly

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This is dramatic.. were you hurt by someone harsh? You seem to be too sensitive about this subject..
You go to your grandson's Christmas program and you aren't very impressed, but afterwards he says, "How'd we do, Granddad?" and you say, "I wasn't very impressed," and you march off pleased that you told the truth.
Sincerely asked even if you don't think so..
 
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This is dramatic.. were you hurt by someone harsh? You seem to be too sensitive about this subject..

Sincerely asked even if you don't think so..
I think people are replacing love with dogma.
 
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If someone sings a bad solo in church and then asks you how they did, do you say, "It was bad"?
YES. Better to tell them they sound bad, rather than let them think they can actually sing.. lol
I agree,and If possible,tell them In love.:)
One time a guy started singing a song In church and he couldn't carry a tune AT all and I started crying because there was something In his voice that was so spiritual It moved me to the point that I couldn't hold back.
 
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These people had Alzheimer's Disease. They were very much in a delusional state all the time. It was impossible to "get out" of the horror of their delusions. People with Alzheimer's Disease can't get back into reality. The kindest thing she did was to talk to them and go along with their delusions. She had a patient that had imaginary children, and would talk about how pretty they were. The old lady would say, "Did you see my children?" And my mother would talk to her about these now grown people as if she had seen the lafy's children. If you have ever been around people in advanced stages of dementia or Alzheimer's disease, the very meanest thing is to argue and try to make them "see reason". Instead of provoking them, she comforted them. My great aunt had dementia. She was convinced people were breaking into her house and stealing things. Instead of arguing with her, we would find where she misplaced items, and commiserate with her about how bad those people were that kept breaking in. There was no amount of truth telling that would have convinced her otherwise. This is what I mean. Their realities are so altered, that telling a comforting truth "there is no lion outside" is actually mean because it is questioning their reality. These are not people who will be cured and come back to normal, but only degenerate as time advances.
Dad has dementia. You can't discover if it's alzheimer's until autopsy. They forget a lot. But don't hallucinate.
 

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Incidentally I don't think smoking is a sin, it's bad for your health and
God wants the best for you. He doesn't want people to die of smoking related
diseases so for all those reasons it's good to stop. But as far as I am aware
the bible doesn't say smoking is a sin.

Maybe it could cause a person to fall into sin, but I don't think smoking
specifically is a sin. In that respect it's the same as drinking alcohol.
Thou shalt not murder..... smoking and drinking - (in excess causing liver problems and can't live without a liver) - same as murdering yourself albeit a slow process. Our bodies are the temple of God.... I am sure He would prefer smoke free clear mind and correct weight. I am as guilty as the smokers being over weight. I include myself in this mess of sin.