Nikki Haley for President

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HeIsHere

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posthuman said:
he wishes he could be Putin.

That's what we're headed for, unfortunately - ultra-nationalist, right wing fascism with a cult of personality around a vain criminal using repeated lies, scapegoats, manufactured fear and anger to develop an erstwhile democracy into a dictatorship.

history repeats itself.
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The fear and anger is well justified, take a look around, your country, it is falling apart.

The dictatorship happened these past four years when Biden sent the FBI to people's doors in full riot gear to arrest Christians for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.

Please that is evil.
 
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JTB said:
Mammon worship, cheating workers, immorality, self-idolatry, abandoning the poor/sick/foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy are NOT Christian values.
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None of this is directly connected to being a Republican.
 
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JTB said:
Does that include Fox?
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Sadly, as of lately, Yes..They have fallen also..

Media is not media anymore. it is propoganda. I do not know how else to explain how liars are seen as truth tellers and make millions of their lies
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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JTB said:
Same thing with the Supreme court decision on keeping trump on the ballot. He was never charged, tried or convicted of insurrection. And that has to happen before he can be penalized for it.

But having said that, just because he was never charged, tried or convicted doesn't mean he didn't do it. Just like all the other stuff politicians on both sides have never been charged tried or convicted for. It doesn't mean they haven't done it.
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It does not mean he did it either
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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Now I'm confused - Trump submitted an estimated "corporation value" to apply
for a loan?

Then the bank evaluators did their own estimated value, approving the loan?

And then, the loan and all interest "was paid back" on time?

I cannot see any 'crime' in there...
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There was no crime..

Only liberal judges try8ing to make a name for themselves by taking down MAGA
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
There was no crime..

Only liberal judges try8ing to make a name for themselves by taking down MAGA
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Yeah...once upon a time....a long time ago....
Usually when someone was indicted or charged with a crime they were usually found guilty because they were guilty of a crime.
Now?
The evidence is thin and flimsy or its not what we consider to be a crime. It's charge after charge and the prosecutors or judges are found to be grossly breaking the law to get some sort of conviction.

All of America saw what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse.....that kid was innocent and was already upset horribly for even being involved. But we had the President calling him horrible names publicly and a over zealous prosecutor trying to create evidence that didn't exist. We also saw them bribe witnesses who were indeed guilty of attempted murder...but they were on the prosecutors side.

American justice system is in deep trouble.
 
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JTB said:
The crime was inflating values to get the loan.

Granted the loans were paid back, but that doesn't negate the crime.

But I'll give it to you that the penalty for that victimless (?) crime was highly excessive. Even I, who doesn't care one bit for trump, had to roll my eyes on that one.
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But what you don't understand is the bank has appraisers too, so Trumps comes with his values and ask for a loan, do you really think the banks just "take the persons word" in this process? No, they send appraisers to look at the places and then a deal for the loan is made. They made the loan and Trump honored it. The end.

NOW!!! years later, these dirty, immoral, Trump head hunting monsters come years after the fact, send in their appraisers and say "oh he said they were worth WAY more than we say they were worth then. You now owe 330 million".

Are you kidding me? You people really see no problem with this? You think this makes Trump a criminal? You need to slow your role and learn the facts before we lose this country forever to these monsters YOU support. Foolishness!!!!!!
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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JTB said:
You know, trumps criminal activities aren't my primary beef with him. Like I've said, they're all guilty, on both sides.

What concerns me most is that trump and the republicans, while claiming to be of God, are turning believers away from the truths of God.

Mammon worship, cheating workers, immorality, self-idolatry, abandoning the poor/sick/foreign, and embracing lies and hypocrisy are NOT Christian values.

The fruit of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control. There's little to none of that going on in maga circles.

These are the false teachers we were repeatedly warned about. And Christians are falling for it hook, line, and sinker.

THATS what bothers me about trump and trumplicans.

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so are you a Biden fan?
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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posthuman said:
he wishes he could be Putin.

That's what we're headed for, unfortunately - ultra-nationalist, right wing fascism with a cult of personality around a vain criminal using repeated lies, scapegoats, manufactured fear and anger to develop an erstwhile democracy into a dictatorship.

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Sounds Like Joe Biden, Kamila Harris, and the mainstream leftist media to me.

We see it every day..
 
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Susanna said:
It doesn’t take much disagreement to the dysfunctional cult of MAGA to be sprinkled with ❌ here. Haven’t you people learned how to debate things rather than just dishing out ❌?
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So Maga is a cult

And the rhinos and libs are on our side?

Really?
 
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mailmandan said:
Even if Trump does somehow win the election (I don't have much faith at all in election integrity anymore) the left will cause all kinds of problems for him, and I don't expect enough Republicans (too many RINOS) to have his back. We may even see more riots again (or worse) and we also may even see another pandemic, which was no accident the first time. America is in deep trouble, and I'm convinced that unless God steps in America will eventually be sunk!
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Last days for sure

I believe it may be to late for america.. We are believing the lie. and ignoring the truth, we have a double standard in a justice system. and the one who wants to fight corruption is seen as a criminal
 
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JohnDB said:
Yeah...once upon a time....a long time ago....
Usually when someone was indicted or charged with a crime they were usually found guilty because they were guilty of a crime.
Now?
The evidence is thin and flimsy or its not what we consider to be a crime. It's charge after charge and the prosecutors or judges are found to be grossly breaking the law to get some sort of conviction.

All of America saw what happened to Kyle Rittenhouse.....that kid was innocent and was already upset horribly for even being involved. But we had the President calling him horrible names publicly and a over zealous prosecutor trying to create evidence that didn't exist. We also saw them bribe witnesses who were indeed guilty of attempted murder...but they were on the prosecutors side.

American justice system is in deep trouble.
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Look at George floyd, and all the people falsly accused and in jail for murder. The dude died of a fentanyl overdose.yet he is praised as an american hero..
 
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Susanna said:
That’s a hot sauce response with no real flavor.
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Do you mean “no flavor” like no spiritual impact or just plain political jargon? What do you really feel like God is telling you Susanna?
 
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Usually the political climate is a reflection of what Christians are doing in their personal lives, and what is being preached.
 
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JTB said:
Mammon worship
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There is nothing wrong with being successful, there is nothing wrong with being rich, you can ask Job about it when you get to heaven. The Bible says it's the LOVE of money that is evil. Now you're judging a person. Nowhere in the Bible does it say being rich is wrong or evil. And if you think Trump and Repubs have drawn people to "mammon worship" you've never watched a tv evangelist in the last 20+ yrs.


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cheating workers,
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Nothing cheats a worker more than socialism.


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immorality, self-idolatry,
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Again with the televangelists.

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abandoning the poor
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Nah,still socialism. No one minds helping the poor move up out of poverty, that's what capitalism has done around the world. Socialist/ Communism are the ones that create poverty and leave people there.


JTB said:
foreign,
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Nope, that's a lie. People can come legally all day long but what we have now is an invasion.

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and embracing lies and hypocrisy are NOT Christian values.
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Hate to say it but, televangelists have more influence than any politician.

JTB said:
The fruit of the spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, and self-control. There's little to none of that going on in maga circles.
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That is one huge judgement call you're making there. And I doubt you've been enough "circles" to be judging that many people, that's a broad and frankly unfair comment. That's an opinion, not a fact, and rather immature at that.
 
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posthuman said:
he wishes he could be Putin.

...fascism with a cult of personality around a vain criminal using repeated lies, scapegoats, manufactured fear and anger to develop an erstwhile democracy into a dictatorship.

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Nah, we already have that, time for a change.
 
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ThereRoseaLamb

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DRobinson said:
My thought is that if Trump wins there will be blood in the streets.
If Trump does not win there will be blood in the streets.
Either way, we the people loose.
That is why I hoped and prayed Trump would not run again.
But I guess God wanted it this way so He could bring judgement upon this Nation, that as a whole, has turned it's back on Him.
Best we all get right with God before November.
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We're not Israel, America is not "coming back" to God. America is going to get worse and worse. Israel is the nation that will come back to God, not the US.
 
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