Pilgrimage

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Lanolin

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Has anyone done one...to Jerusalem?
Or any other one. The Camino del Santiago in Spain that is said to be where st James is buried.
Or followed in st Paul's footsteps around the mediterranean
Or gone to India after st Thomas.

I think a pilgrimage could be just going anywhere for 40 days though like how Jesus went into the wilderness or how Abrham left Ur or the Israelites left Egypt and journeyed through the desert.

I dont know if some spots are holier than others but maybe your pilgrimage is to you ancestors homeland or just to visit the cemetery or graves of your loved ones.

Am just reading a memoir of a walk on the Camino and it has me wondering do we show hospitality to pilgrims on a journey if they came to our own homes.
 

shittim

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Since Christ came and now indwells the believer we are the workmanship of His Hands.
Pilgrimages were created by "religions" to perform to help ,ake ourselves right with the Father, Jesus paid it all, all authority was given to Him, not a "religion".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage#Christianity

In this section, of the wiki we see most started with the Catholic church which Constantine created with a structure like the Roman government, the Bible tells us the "church" is the "eklesia" or body of believers and not an institution.
If taking in a pilgrim we can share with them the truth that Christ indwells the believer, we need not go to a man made place that is supposedly "Holy".
blessings
 

Lanolin

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some questions...why did all the Israelites go up to Jerusalem to celebrate passover? What if Jesus had never bothered to leave Galilee?

Why did John Bunyan write...the Pilgrims Progress?
Why are we told that we may 'entertain angels...unaware?
why was Paul told to be an apostle to the Gentiles and journey all across the Mediterranean...and get shipwrecked?
How come Moses stood on 'holy ground'?
 

Lanolin

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yea I dont really know why the catholic church started those things such as adoring relics. But then the Romans did a lot of weird things. The eastern orhtodox was just as strange and wouldnt give up their icons. I guess to them it was like Facebook or photos of family are for many of us today.

However I think people do still pay respects to graveyards as many believers were buried near churches to await resurrection. In NZ many make a 'pilgrimage' and go to Gallipoli in Turkey to remember all those who died in world war 1. on ANZAC day. We have a whole day to mourn and remember, so people gather at dawn and there are prayers. Its nothing to do with any particular church denom.
 

shittim

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the "entertain angels" is explained in that scripture.
The Jews rejected Jesus, that allowed gentiles to be allowed to be saved, again, in scripture, the Gospels.
God made the ground "Holy" that Moses might hear Him and speak with Him, Jesus was not our intercessor then, the Chosen People were under the Law, Holy Spirit was given to a chosen few.
 

Lanolin

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yea I know
But who here HAS been on a pilgrimage?
 

Lanolin

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shittim,, if that is really your name...don take this personally but your posts are a little patronising.
You dont really listen do you or take the time to answer anyones questions, or think about what a pilgrimage could mean to a Christian in a spiritual sense. I feel you just like to dismiss whatever is being posted..you dont have to argue anything with me.

Walking is good for you. Did you know Paul made a lot of journeys on foot at the time the Romans had already built roads and so that was how the gospel was able to be spread.
In this modern day and age...people rush from a to b so quickly that they never even see anybody along the way. They might have even LOST their way.

What does Jesus tell us about the WAY?
 

p_rehbein

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yea I know
But who here HAS been on a pilgrimage?
As you speculated in your first Post, pilgrimage is what one sees it to be, so, I suspect anyone who has separated themselves from the world to spend time growing close to God has been on a pilgrimage.......but, that may just be me.
 

shittim

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You asked some questions most anyone should already know, then when I answered you said I was patronizing.
 

Lanolin

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no actually I asked if anyone has been on a pilgrimage, if you havent then just dont reply or say no I havent. simple!
 

Lanolin

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As you speculated in your first Post, pilgrimage is what one sees it to be, so, I suspect anyone who has separated themselves from the world to spend time growing close to God has been on a pilgrimage.......but, that may just be me.
yes although this maybe a stay at home for 40 days lockdown isnt really a pilgrimage, only if it maybe took you some time to get there...?
 

Lanolin

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I was watching a doco called ...Life in a walk and was about a father and son decided to walk to santiago de compostela cos the son wanted to get to know his dad more after he got diagnosed with cancer and was afraid he was going to die. They were both from america.
They started from Lisbon. It showed them walking along the route and they got to the end with the church service, and they went on to Finisterre, where they threw their shoes into the sea to mark the end of their journey.
 

Billyd

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I'm not physically able to travel any more, so we take our trips on National Geographic channels, and Discovery channels.

Sometimes we take a short trip around the front yard and watch the birds, squirrels, dragonflies, and butterflies. We find more beauty there, than we found in the many states that we visited when we were much younger. We have to take our time, so we see the little things that have always been there, but never noticed before.
 
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a 'called-elect-chosen' pilgrim is one who has been separated from the world and led onto a path
that can only be called Holy by Yeshua-Jesus Christ...

all others who try and copy Him are but dung...
 

Lanolin

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um ok..so are you the chosen-elect mr old but new? Where are you going?
 

Lanolin

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I'm not physically able to travel any more, so we take our trips on National Geographic channels, and Discovery channels.

Sometimes we take a short trip around the front yard and watch the birds, squirrels, dragonflies, and butterflies. We find more beauty there, than we found in the many states that we visited when we were much younger. We have to take our time, so we see the little things that have always been there, but never noticed before.
my gardening journey took about five years and now I know every plant that I planted...slowly making everything holy (or whole) again...before it was mostly weeds. I suppose that has been my pilgrimage although I have been around the world when I was younger and seen some historic sites, centuries old churches/cathedrals etc but I think all that would be lost on me.

I have watched some videos of journeys in Jerusalem and everything looks really old, there are ruins and its all barren and worn to rocks. Theres the wailing wall by the ruined temple and it looks immense to me, but if I did ever go there I would probably want to find the tree that Jesus slept under or Zaccheus climbed rather than marvel at some man made structure.
 

Lanolin

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separated from the world... what does this mean for a pilgrim, they arent concerned with things like jobs, or buying and selling or family ties I suppose. I supoose what matters for a pilgrim is they are taking the time to listen to God who shows them each step of the way everyday. And it is a journey cos you wont ever be the same at the end of it...perhaps?
 

Lanolin

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in nz travel has opened up for domestic travel although our borders remain closed. for those who can afford to travel in luxury I guess they will.

But a pilgrim always walks or relies on the kindness of others. For Jesus, the most he could afford was a donkey.

I recall a christian publisher AW Reed after a lifetime selling books, decided to walk the length of the country and he was in his 90s.
another pilgrim that comes to mind is Arthur Blessit, except he carries a 12 foot cross all around the world.

It used to be quite common thing for christians to open up their homes to travellers and provide hospitality for the night or a couple of days Not charge anyone any thing but the pleasure of their company. it is not so common these days with people now trying to make a buck out of it.