Question: What are the vaccine hesitant looking for to convince them the vaccine is safe?

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I may misunderstand exactly how the vaccine works. I am well aware of both the virtues and limitations of vaccines. I don't know to say this any more clearly: natural immunity is fine except you have to survive. Yes, Spanish Flu died out. It killed around 50 million before it did. So everyone on the planet was either naturally immune or dead.

In those days, there was no choice. If you think avoidable suffering and deaths is better than vaccination, then your thinking is screwy.
You don't have to have the vaccine. Fine. Catch the disease and get over it. Or not. But your understanding of vaccines and the immune system is just plain wrong.

Small pox killed 30% of those who caught it. At one time it was the leading cause of death. It was not stopped by natural immunity. it was wiped out by vaccination. The last known case was in Somalia in 1977. Polio could have been wiped out but some communities have a great resistance to vaccination. It seems they'd rather be on a ventilator for life than swallow a vaccine. Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.
Adults have a greater then 95% chance of recovery and children have a 99% chance of recovery thru immunity God created.

The vaxx is population control by the globalists and they have admitted to such - Bill Gates and others.

No lie is of the truth - 1 John 2:21

the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God. - John 16:2
 

Gideon300

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This is not truth here Dear Brother - many Doctors, Scientist of all kinds in the medical field attest to the facts that this is an abomination of science created by men/women who have departed from their oath of office to protect health and give care to God's creation.

Dr Death Fauci and others have lied and continue to lie. Our Lord tells us this: "No lie is of the truth" - 1 John
The Bible says that slander and libel is wicked. Those who promote baseless conspiracy theories will give an account to God. Liars will not be found in God's kingdom. Sure, some industry people are against the COVID vaccines. Many more are in favour. Anti vaxxers are continually shown to be wrong, but that does not deter them. They are much like flat earthers, nothing will change their minds.
 

ZNP

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I may misunderstand exactly how the vaccine works. I am well aware of both the virtues and limitations of vaccines. I don't know to say this any more clearly: natural immunity is fine except you have to survive. Yes, Spanish Flu died out. It killed around 50 million before it did. So everyone on the planet was either naturally immune or dead.
Yes, it is interesting that the world population is about 8-10x what it was at the time of the Spanish flu, the ability for a virus to fly around the country is easily 10-100 times greater than it was in 1918 and yet this virus has killed 5 million (at most). One tenth of that which was killed by the Spanish flu. I mean it looks like we are terrified of something that is one tenth or even one hundredth as bad as the Spanish flu and at the time the Spanish flu was treated simply like a bad case of the flu. It wasn't until about 50-60 years later that they began to turn it into some great monster. True at the time they wore masks, practiced social distance, and had some hospitals that overflowed. Maybe one or two cities had a very short lived quarantine.

Also to do a true apples to apples comparison with the Spanish flu you should compare the death rate of what you would have expected to die over these two years with how many actually did. That is how researchers estimated 50 million deaths from Spanish flu. Doing this would eliminate any claim of people overcounting the deaths from Covid. However, doing this may well show that the virus was even less deadly still.

In those days, there was no choice. If you think avoidable suffering and deaths is better than vaccination, then your thinking is screwy. You don't have to have the vaccine. Fine. Catch the disease and get over it. Or not. But your understanding of vaccines and the immune system is just plain wrong.
This is not a fair representation of what I think. Not only do you misunderstand exactly how the vaccine works you also misunderstand what I think.

Small pox killed 30% of those who caught it. At one time it was the leading cause of death. It was not stopped by natural immunity. it was wiped out by vaccination. The last known case was in Somalia in 1977. Polio could have been wiped out but some communities have a great resistance to vaccination. It seems they'd rather be on a ventilator for life than swallow a vaccine. Ignorance is not bliss. It is dangerous.
Small pox was cured when a doctor realized that Cow pox was not deadly and if you were exposed to cow pox you became immune to small pox. The development of that vaccine was not an mRNA vaccine, and it was tested for very many years before anyone mandated it. It was 1796 when the effectiveness of this vaccine was demonstrated and the widespread vaccination campaign began in 1958. I am perfectly fine with a widespread vaccination campaign of a vaccine that has been tested for over 12 years and the data is fully transparent for people to examine.
 

GaryA

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More slander? You have evidence?
Yes I do.

But, you will never ever believe it unless-and-until you overcome your [severe case of] cognitive dissonance and wake up and open your eyes to see the truth about the world you live in.

"Just sayin'..."
 
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The Bible says that slander and libel is wicked. Those who promote baseless conspiracy theories will give an account to God. Liars will not be found in God's kingdom. Sure, some industry people are against the COVID vaccines. Many more are in favour. Anti vaxxers are continually shown to be wrong, but that does not deter them. They are much like flat earthers, nothing will change their minds.
i am not afraid of your slander for His Holy Spirit indwells me.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

i encourage you to believe the Truth and not the world who can never receive the Holy Spirit.

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

And they did not repent of their murders, nor of their sorceries (pharmekeus), nor of their sexual immorality, nor of their thefts.
(this present ungodly government fits this scripture perfectly)

The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery(pharmekia) all the nations were deceived.

WOW - God who knows ALL things foretold this was coming thru the Pharmaceutical Giants of this World.
 

ZNP

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In those days, there was no choice. If you think avoidable suffering and deaths is better than vaccination, then your thinking is screwy. You don't have to have the vaccine. Fine. Catch the disease and get over it. Or not. But your understanding of vaccines and the immune system is just plain wrong.
I taught science for many years in high school and am pretty clear that I understand vaccines better than most. Not as well as some of these experts that I listen to but still better than 95% of the population and certainly better than many of the idiotic politicians and bureaucrats who are frauds.

This is what I understand for every vaccine that has been proven safe and effective two or three have been found to be unsafe or ineffective and been rejected. This is why we have a very specific protocol that they must go through before being approved and this protocol takes 12 years. This is extremely serious point, this is why the Nuremberg codes outlaw mandating an experimental vaccine. Most of the world has adopted these laws. So all these countries mandating the vaccine are doing so illegally.

I also understand that the basic principle of a true vaccine is similar to the bronze serpent lifted up on a pole. It gives your immune system a chance to see the serpent and prepare a defense against it while at the same time having no poison. The smallpox vaccine did that, this vaccine does not.

Instead what this vaccine does is send instructions via mRNA to manufacture the poison! It is mingling some poisonous genetic instructions with your own DNA. You can argue that it doesn't change your DNA but that is a squishy argument. No one can deny that this vaccine is genetic engineering designed to change the instructions to your cells.

So this gives us two very distinct differences between this vaccine and all the other vaccines that they point to. First, it did not go through the protocol we have developed to create safe vaccines and test them to determine if they are effective. Second, it is fundamentally different from many of our vaccines.

Third, I also understand that this vaccine is leaky. It is only giving you immunity to part of a virus that mutates rapidly so even though it might work for the initial strain over a very short period of time that effectiveness wears off and is no longer effective. This is critical to understand, if you have a leaky vaccine you do not want to give it to everyone! If you give it to everyone you will create an environment that favors the variants that the vaccine does not protect against and now the vaccine is useless. Instead, when you have a leaky vaccine you only want to give it to the 5% who are most at risk from the virus.

So, even if you feel this vaccine is safe, effective and the best thing for those most at risk, if you understood the fact that it is leaky you would also be strongly against any mandate and would want the vaccine to only be for those who are most at risk.
 

Billyd

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The Bible says that slander and libel is wicked. Those who promote baseless conspiracy theories will give an account to God. Liars will not be found in God's kingdom. Sure, some industry people are against the COVID vaccines. Many more are in favour. Anti vaxxers are continually shown to be wrong, but that does not deter them. They are much like flat earthers, nothing will change their minds.
I have given up on the radical antivaxers here. It is a waste of time to explain anything to them.

For anyone who is on the vaccination fence, here is our (wife and I, 79 and 80 years old) story.

We were vaccinated at the end of January and completed the series on February 10. We had no significant side effects. At the time we were vaccinated we received a sheet of paper with things to be aware of. On that paper was a statement that immunity was probably about 6 months.

In August we attended a funeral of a dear friend. We did not wear a mask, nor did we social distance. Three days after the funeral, we found out that 3 families there had covid19 delta.

August 29, my wife became very ill, and she was transported to the ER. She was tested for all sorts of things, including covid19. She had a severe UTI, and was positive for covid19. The ER treated the UTI with antibiotics and prednisone and planned to admit her over night. There were no beds available so the placed her in the last of the make shift rooms that they had made for emergency room overflow. Next morning, she was feeling much better and our doctor told us that she would be better off at home. I tested negative for covid19 so we went home with medication for her UTI and instructions to call the doctor if she got worse. I was to get a covid19 test if I started to get a fever. September 2, I began to run a fever, and tested positive.

My wife was achy all over, and ran a fever for a week. My wife has taken HCQ for several years for her RA. It didn't prevent her covid19. Her vaccination was seven months past. It didn't prevent her covid19. However, her case was much milder than many of our young friends'. Our doctor told her that had she not had the vaccination, she would not have survived.

I had a rough weekend, and received an antibody infusion. Within 12 hours, I was beginning to feel better, and fully recovered in a couple of days. Without the vaccination, I probably would not be here today. Instead, I spent 10 days in quarantine.

Our doctor told us that, even though we have had covid19, we should get a booster shot in December.
 

GaryA

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Yes I do.

But, you will never ever believe it unless-and-until you overcome your [severe case of] cognitive dissonance and wake up and open your eyes to see the truth about the world you live in.

"Just sayin'..."
I did not say this to be harsh, mean, or ugly.

With all of the Christian love I can muster - I said it in case there was any chance it might cause you to seriously consider the possibility that you have been terribly misinformed about some things in this world.

Please read post #48 over and over until you "get it"...
 

ZNP

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I did not say this to be harsh, mean, or ugly.

With all of the Christian love I can muster - I said it in case there was any chance it might cause you to seriously consider the possibility that you have been terribly misinformed about some things in this world.

Please read post #48 over and over until you "get it"...
It is not our job to convince others, simply to warn them. What they do with that is up to them and they will be held accountable for it.
 

ZNP

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It is really sad that there [no-doubt] are people who are going to use this idea to coerce children into getting the shot. :(:(:(
Not if the Lord comes first.
 
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Took the jab because I caved into the fear of getting covid. I knew better . Now I am taking every supplement I can think of to flush the weaponized spiked protein out of my body. Unvaxed people are getting Covid from the Vaxed. Part of the population reduction agenda of which I am now an unwilling participant. Kudos to those who have not gotten the jab. I stood against the V.A.'s hard sell flu shot agenda for over 20 years but caved in to the fear mongering over Covid. dur hur. If you are ready to dispute on the merits of the covid vaccines please don't do it with me. Or if you don't know there is a population cull taking place . Please don' t do it with me. I am not here to argue.
 

ZNP

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Took the jab because I caved into the fear of getting covid. I knew better . Now I am taking every supplement I can think of to flush the weaponized spiked protein out of my body. Unvaxed people are getting Covid from the Vaxed. Part of the population reduction agenda of which I am now an unwilling participant. Kudos to those who have not gotten the jab. I stood against the V.A.'s hard sell flu shot agenda for over 20 years but caved in to the fear mongering over Covid. dur hur. If you are ready to dispute on the merits of the covid vaccines please don't do it with me. Or if you don't know there is a population cull taking place . Please don' t do it with me. I am not here to argue.
I read that drinking alcohol creates enzymes that will flush the graphene oxide out of your system.
 
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Been scrabbling to learn how to detox from the Vax. Since I screwed up and got it . Main ingredient other than the spike protein is Graphene Oxide a heavy metal which reacts to electromagnetism . Pile of it starts to activate and morph when you put an IPhone next to it. Looking at detox protocols in a serious fashion. Basically Magnetizes you . 5G and we thought it was for a faster internet. Folks will be dropping dead in bigger numbers.