Science Disproves Evolution

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>"“Missing links in the sequence of fossil evidence were a worry to Darwin. He felt sure they would eventually turn up, but they are still missing and seem likely to remain so.” "

-Wronggg, the first clear transitional form was discovered just 4 years after Darwin published his prediction of them in The Origin of Species, while he was still alive (archaeopteryx). We've now found many times more clear transitional forms than Darwin said we could ever hope to find, even though he was loosely a gradualist himself.
 
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Whenever I talk to an atheist scientist,
it's always just a matter of time before they begin to lie about something.

It's just amazing.
I think the major point I need to communicate to everyone here is that 'atheist scientists' aren't the same group of people as 'scientists that accept evolution'. So many Christians equate evolution to atheism, but in my experience it's only here on the internet that most Christians seem to be creationists (I think because creationists feel more of a need to be vocal).
 

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>"“Missing links in the sequence of fossil evidence were a worry to Darwin. He felt sure they would eventually turn up, but they are still missing and seem likely to remain so.” "

-Wronggg, the first clear transitional form was discovered just 4 years after Darwin published his prediction of them in The Origin of Species, while he was still alive (archaeopteryx). We've now found many times more clear transitional forms than Darwin said we could ever hope to find, even though he was loosely a gradualist himself.
SCIENTISTS SPEAK ABOUT FOSSILS


Here are still more statements by scientists, that the fossil evidence clearly and overwhelmingly disproves evolutionary theory. Evolution is a myth. God created everything; the evidence clearly points to it. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

CONTENTS: Scientists Speak about Fossils:

Abrupt Appearance With Only Gaps Between
: New species suddenly appeared, and there are only gaps between them and other species

This material is excerpted from the book, FOSSILS AND STRATA.
An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the books this Encyclopedia is based on, only 164 statements are by creationists.
You will have a better understanding of the following statements by scientists if you will also read the web page, Fossils and Strata.

ABRUPT APPEARANCE WITH ONLY GAPS BETWEEN


New species did not evolve, but suddenly appeared in the fossil record. Between the different species there are only gaps, where we should find transitional species.

"It is a feature of the known fossil record that most taxa appear abruptly. They are not, as a rule, led up to by a sequence of almost imperceptible changing forerunners such as Darwin believed should be usual in evolution."—*G.G. Simpson, in The Evolution of Life, p. 149.

"When we examine a series of fossils of any age we may pick out one and say with confidence, `This is a crustacean'—or starfish, or a brachiopod, or annelid, or any other type of creature as the case may be."—*A.H. Clark, The New Evolution: Zoogenesis, p. 100.

"All the major groups of animals have maintained the same relationship to each other from the very first [from the very lowest level of the geologic column] . . Crustaceans have always been crustaceans, echinoderms have always been echinoderms, and mollusks have always been mollusks. There is not the slightest evidence which supports any other viewpoint."—*A.H. Clark, The New Evolution: Zoogenesis (1930), p. 114.

"From the tangible evidence that we now have been able to discover, we are forced to the conclusion that all the major groups of animals at the very first held just about the same relation to each other that they do today."—*A.H. Clark, The New Evolution: Zoogenesis (1930), p. 211.

"There is no need to apologize any longer for the poverty of the fossil record. In some ways it has become almost unmanageably rich, and discovery is outpacing integration . . The fossil record nevertheless continues to be composed mainly of gaps."—*T. Neville George, "Fossils in Evolutionary Perspective," in Science Progress, January 1960, pp. 1, 3.

"The abrupt appearance of higher taxa in the fossil record has been a perennial puzzle. Not only do characteristic and distinctive remains of phyla appear suddenly, without known ancestors, but several classes of phylum, orders of a class, and so on, commonly appear at approximately the same time, without known intermediates."—*James W. Valentine and *Cathryn A. Campbell, "Genetic Regulation and the Fossil Record," in American Scientist, Vol. 63, November-December, 1975, p. 673.

"The history of most fossil species includes two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:

"Stasis: Most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless.
"Sudden appearance: In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and `fully formed.' "—*Stephen Jay Gould, "Evolution's Erratic Pace," in Natural History, May 1977, p. 14.

"There are about 250,000 different species of fossil plants and animals known . . In spite of this large quantity of information, it is but a tiny fraction of the diversity that [according to the theory] actually lived in the past. There are well over a million species living today and . . [it is] possible to predict how many species ought to be in our fossil record. That number is at least 100 times the number we have found."—*David M. Raup, "Conflicts Between Darwin and Paleontology," in Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin, January 1979, p. 22.

"I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be used to visualize such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it . .
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[Stephen] Gould [of Harvard] and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a paleontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record. You say that I should at least `show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.' I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument. The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record . . It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favored by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science; there is no way of putting them to the test."—*Colin Patterson, Letter dated April 10, 1979, to Luther Sunderland, quoted in L.D. Sunderland Darwin's Enigma, p. 89.

"No one has found any such in-between creatures. This was long chalked up to `gaps' in the fossil records, gaps that proponents of gradualism [gradual evolutionary change from species to species] confidently expected to fill in someday when rock strata of the proper antiquity were eventually located. But all the fossil evidence to date has failed to turn up any such missing links . . There is a growing conviction among many scientists that these transitional forms never existed."—*Niles Eldredge, quoted in "Alternate Theory of Evolution Considered," in Los Angeles Times, November 19, 1978.

"So the geological time scale and the basic facts of biological change over time are totally independent of evolutionary theory.

"In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions. In general, these have not been found—yet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks."—*David M. Raup, "Evolution and the Fossil Record," in Science, July 17, 1981, p. 289.

"Evidence from fossils now points overwhelmingly away from the classical Darwinism which most Americans learned in high school . . The missing link between man and the apes . . is merely the most glamorous of a whole hierarchy of phantom creatures. In the fossil record, missing links are the rule . . The more scientists have searched for the transitional forms between species, the more they have been frustrated."—Newsweek, November 3, 1980.

"In any case, no real evolutionist, whether gradualist or punctuationist, used the fossil record as evidence in favor of the theory of evolution as opposed to special creation."—*Mark Ridley, "Who Doubts Evolution?" in New Scientist, June 25, 1981, p. 831.

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A human baby always begins as a fetus of the same species.
Is the growth of a fetus to the birthed baby a type of evolution?
Everyone would agree that a healthy fetus "developes" into a baby (and if nothing hiders it), then child (and if nothing hinders it), and eventually adult.
But is the birthing process a form of evolution?
I really don't know.

Someone touch on the difference of "developement" and "micro evolution" please?
Again, I don't get this subject.

They are not the same thing. Macro evolution is basically Micro evolution, but with loooooooong periods of time.
 

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A human baby always begins as a fetus of the same species.
Is the growth of a fetus to the birthed baby a type of evolution?
Everyone would agree that a healthy fetus "developes" into a baby (and if nothing hiders it), then child (and if nothing hinders it), and eventually adult.
But is the birthing process a form of evolution?
I really don't know.

Someone touch on the difference of "developement" and "micro evolution" please?
Again, I don't get this subject.
The development of a fetus is not evolution in the sense of a life form changing into a different life form. A human begins his life at the moment of conception. He is fully human from that point throughout his life. Here is some interesting information on the notion of evolution taking place in the womb:


Embryology

Evolutionists have taught for over a century that as an embryo develops, it passes through stages that mimic an evolutionary sequence. In other words, in a few weeks an unborn human repeats stages that supposedly took millions of years for mankind. A well-known example of this ridiculous teaching is that embryos of mammals have “gill slits,” because mammals supposedly evolved from fish. (Yes, that’s faulty logic.) Embryonic tissues that resemble “gill slits” have nothing to do with breathing; they are neither gills nor slits. Instead, those embryonic tissues develop into parts of the face, bones of the middle ear, and endocrine glands.
Embryologists no longer consider the superficial similarities between a few embryos and the adult forms of simpler animals as evidence for evolution.[SUP]a[/SUP] Ernst Haeckel, by deliberately falsifying his drawings,[SUP]b [/SUP]originated and popularized this incorrect but widespread belief. Many modern textbooks continue to spread this false idea as evidence for evolution.[SUP]c[/SUP]

a . “This generalization was originally called the biogenetic law by Haeckel and is often stated as ‘ontogeny [the development of an embryo] recapitulates [repeats] phylogeny [evolution].’ This crude interpretation of embryological sequences will not stand close examination, however. Its shortcomings have been almost universally pointed out by modern authors, but the idea still has a prominent place in biological mythology.” Paul R. Ehrlich and Richard W. Holm, The Process of Evolution (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1963), p. 66.

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“It is now firmly established that ontogeny does not repeat phylogeny.” [emphasis in original] George Gaylord Simpson and William S. Beck, Life: An Introduction to Biology (New York: Harcourt, Brace & World, Inc., 1965), p. 241.


u Hitching, pp. 202–205.



u “The enthusiasm of the German zoologist, Ernst Haeckel, however, led to an erroneous and unfortunate exaggeration of the information which embryology could provide. This was known as the ‘biogenetic law’ and claimed that embryology was a recapitulation of evolution, or that during its embryonic development an animal recapitulated the evolutionary history of its species.” Gavin R. deBeer, An Atlas of Evolution (New York: Nelson, 1964), p. 38.


u “... the theory of recapitulation has had a great and, while it lasted, regrettable influence on the progress of embryology.” Gavin R. deBeer, Embryos and Ancestors, revised edition (London: Oxford University Press, 1951), p. 10.


u “Moreover, the biogenetic law has become so deeply rooted in biological thought that it cannot be weeded out in spite of its having been demonstrated to be wrong by numerous subsequent scholars.” Walter J. Bock, “Evolution by Orderly Law,” Science, Vol. 164, 9 May 1969, pp. 684–685.


u “... we no longer believe we can simply read in the embryonic development of a species its exact evolutionary history.” Hubert Frings and Marie Frings, Concepts of Zoology (Toronto: Macmillan Publishing Co., 1970), p. 267.


u “The type of analogical thinking which leads to theories that development is based on the recapitulation of ancestral stages or the like no longer seems at all convincing or even interesting to biologists.” Conrad Hal Waddington, Principles of Embryology (London: George Allen and Unwin Ltd., 1956), p. 10.


u “Surely the biogenetic law is as dead as a doornail.” Keith Stewart Thomson, “Ontogeny and Phylogeny Recapitulated,” American Scientist, Vol. 76, May–June 1988, p. 273.


u “The biogenetic law—embryologic recapitulation—I think, was debunked back in the 1920s by embryologists.”David Raup, as taken from page 16 of an approved and verified transcript of a taped interview conducted by Luther D. Sunderland on 27 July 1979. [See also Luther D. Sunderland, Darwin’s Enigma (San Diego: Master Book Publishers, 1984), p. 119.]


u “The theory of recapitulation was destroyed in 1921 by Professor Walter Garstang in a famous paper. Since then no respectable biologist has ever used the theory of recapitulation, because it was utterly unsound, created by a Nazi-like preacher named Haeckel.” Ashley Montagu, as quoted by Sunderland, p. 119.


b . In 1868, Haeckel, using distorted data, advanced this “biogenetic law.” It was quickly adopted in textbooks and encyclopedias worldwide. Thompson explains:
A natural law can only be established as an induction from facts. Haeckel was of course unable to do this. What he did was to arrange existing forms of animal life in a series proceeding from the simple to the complex, intercalating [inserting] imaginary entities where discontinuity existed and then giving the embryonic phases names corresponding to the stages in his so-called evolutionary series. Cases in which this parallelism did not exist were dealt with by the simple expedient of saying that the embryological development had been falsified. When the “convergence” of embryos was not entirely satisfactory, Haeckel altered the illustrations of them to fit his theory. The alterations were slight but significant. The “biogenetic law” as a proof of evolution is valueless. W. R. Thompson, p. 12.


u “To support his case he [Haeckel] began to fake evidence. Charged with fraud by five professors and convicted by a university court at Jena, he agreed that a small percentage of his embryonic drawings were forgeries; he was merely filling in and reconstructing the missing links when the evidence was thin, and he claimed unblushingly that ‘hundreds of the best observers and biologists lie under the same charge’.” Pitman, p. 120.


u “A Professor Arnold Bass charged that Haeckel had made changes in pictures of embryos which he [Bass] had drawn. Haeckel’s reply to these charges was that if he is to be accused of falsifying drawings, many other prominent scientists should also be accused of the same thing ...” Bolton Davidheiser, Evolution and Christian Faith (Phillipsburg, New Jersey: The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co., 1969), pp. 76–77.


u M. Bowden, Ape-Men: Fact or Fallacy? 2nd edition (Bromley, England: Sovereign Publications, 1981), pp. 142–143.


u Wilbert H. Rusch, Sr., “Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 6, June 1969, pp. 27–34.


u “... ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, meaning that in the course of its development [ontogeny] an embryo recapitulates [repeats] the evolutionary history of its species [phylogeny]. This idea was fathered by Ernst Haeckel, a German biologist who was so convinced that he had solved the riddle of life’s unfolding that he doctored and faked his drawings of embryonic stages to prove his point.” Fix, p. 285.


u [The German scientist Wilhelm His] accused Haeckel of shocking dishonesty in repeating the same picture several times to show the similarity among vertebrates at early embryonic stages in several plates of [Haeckel’s book].” Stephen Jay Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny (Cambridge, Massachusetts: The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 1977), p. 430.


u “It looks like it’s turning out to be one of the most famous fakes in biology.” Michael K. Richardson, as quoted by Elizabeth Pennisi, “Haeckel’s Embryos: Fraud Rediscovered,” Science, Vol. 277, 5 September 1997, p. 1435.


u “When we compare his [Haeckel’s] drawings of a young echidna embryo with the original, we find that he removed the limbs (see Fig. 1). This cut was selective, applying only to the young stage. It was also systematic because he did it to other species in the picture. Its intent is to make the young embryos look more alike than they do in real life.” Michael K. Richardson and Gerhard Keuck, “A Question of Intent: When Is a ‘Schematic’ Illustration a Fraud?” Nature, Vol. 410, 8 March 2001, p. 144.


c . “Another point to emerge from this study is the considerable inaccuracy of Haeckel’s famous figures. These drawings are still widely reproduced in textbooks and review articles, and continue to exert a significant influence on the development of ideas in this field.” Michael K. Richardson et al., “There Is No Highly Conserved Embryonic Stage in the Vertebrates,” Anatomy and Embryology, Vol. 196, August 1997, p. 104.

In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood - 20.�� Embryology
 
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A human baby always begins as a fetus of the same species.
Is the growth of a fetus to the birthed baby a type of evolution?
Everyone would agree that a healthy fetus "developes" into a baby (and if nothing hiders it), then child (and if nothing hinders it), and eventually adult.
But is the birthing process a form of evolution?
I really don't know.

Someone touch on the difference of "developement" and "micro evolution" please?
Again, I don't get this subject.
Hi there! I'm a scientifically aware Christian, and I'd just like to advise you to ignore Pahu, he misrepresents everything I've seen him link these last few pages. Beware of misinformation, evolution is hugely misrepresented on all the creationist websites. The gaps in the fossil record they like to tout are expected as part of the model of reality as we understand it, they don't impinge on our certainty of common ancestry at all, they just teach us about some of the mechanisms of population mechanics. We do have plenty of brilliant transitional forms showing all the major families connecting up, human evolution, and we confirmed everything to incredibly high mathematical certainty after the discover of DNA.
98% of scientists accept evolution
99.9985% of biologists accept evolution, just a few biochemists that work in very limited, specific fields don't.
70% of them believe in God :)
Evolution isn't atheism.

>"Is the growth of a fetus to the birthed baby a type of evolution?"
-- Not in the scientific, biology, 'the theory of evolution' sense, no.
But there's a colloquial, non-scientific definition of evolution "change over time" which you can use to describe any system that goes through different phases. "the history of X" or can be said "the evolution of X".
But again, that's not evolution by the scientific, adaptation definition. Evolution in it's scientific usage is specifically about a the overall progressive adaptations that build up in populations of imperfect self-replicators (replicate with variation) living in competition to reproduce under selective breeding pressures (natural selection, sexual preference selection, or artificial selection).
Evolution doesn't happen to individuals, it happens to a species, to a population, sort of between the generations. The young always differ from their parents in every attribute slightly, and good variations spread throughout the population while bad ones don't.
A really clear example is wolves giving birth to young with a few % different fur length to their parents (and a few % difference in every bodily attribute). If an ice age is setting in, over time the population will adapt to have longer fur. But an individual is stuck with the genes and fur length he was born with his whole life. :)
 
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*stuck with the genes *for his* fur length his whole life
 
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Instead of copying and pasting every single thing you read on creationscience.com, why don't you link us to the website itself and DISCUSS the actual website.?
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Hi there! I'm a scientifically aware Christian, and I'd just like to advise you to ignore Pahu
Wow

A deeper awareness just flew out the window.
 

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Hi there! I'm a scientifically aware Christian, and I'd just like to advise you to ignore Pahu, he misrepresents everything I've seen him link these last few pages. Beware of misinformation, evolution is hugely misrepresented on all the creationist websites. The gaps in the fossil record they like to tout are expected as part of the model of reality as we understand it, they don't impinge on our certainty of common ancestry at all, they just teach us about some of the mechanisms of population mechanics. We do have plenty of brilliant transitional forms showing all the major families connecting up, human evolution, and we confirmed everything to incredibly high mathematical certainty after the discover of DNA.
Evolution doesn't happen to individuals, it happens to a species, to a population, sort of between the generations. The young always differ from their parents in every attribute slightly, and good variations spread throughout the population while bad ones don't.
A really clear example is wolves giving birth to young with a few % different fur length to their parents (and a few % difference in every bodily attribute). If an ice age is setting in, over time the population will adapt to have longer fur. But an individual is stuck with the genes and fur length he was born with his whole life. :)
DNA AND CELLS: 1



Here are scientific facts about DNA and cells, which disproves the popular notion that living creatures can evolve into new species. Evolutionary theory is a myth. God created everything; the evidence clearly points to it. Nothing else can explain the mountain of evidence. This is science vs. evolution—aCreation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

CONTENTS: DNA and Cells: 1

The DNA Molecule
: This astounding little package contains so much!
Mathematical Possibilities: Calculations reveal the utter impossibility that DNA could form by chance

Page numbers without book references refer to the book, DNA AND CELLS, from which these facts are summarized. An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the set of books this Encyclopedia is based on, only 164 statements are by creationists.

THE DNA MOLECULE


DNA provides the basic codes that each plant and animal is made according to. The evolutionists' problem is the fact that DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) has such complicated codes and locks each type of creature into its own pattern. Because of this, it would be impossible for evolution (which is the origin of species and change across species) to occur.

Inside every cell in your body is a microscopic ball. Inside it is a coiled six-foot strip of code! It is your DNA code, the primary code for your entire body. The whole thing is amazing.

In the center of each cell is a nucleus, and, among the complicated things in it, are 23 pairs of chromosomes. These are the strips, and on them are genes. They are like beads on a chain. Each gene has a large number of DNA units. There are about 60 thousand billion (60,000 x 1,000,000,000) cells in your body! Each one has your complete code. This code fixes your physical characteristics; it is yourgene pool. All the data in each code set is equivalent to an unabridged dictionary.

It is clear that only a super mind could make all this! God made you; you did not make yourself. Seawater did not slosh around and do it.—pp. 11-14.

Translation package needed. Not only was that astounding DNA code needed in your body for it to exist, but a translation code had to be there also!

Termed an "adapter function," this machinery had to be in your body—the first instant it came into being. Yet it could not be produced by accident.No scientist can begin to explain how your body obtained the translation package, much less the DNA code.—pp. 14-15.

Messenger RNA. Not only is the DNA code and code translator needed, but also messenger units.

These are called "messenger RNA" molecules, or "s-RNA."

There is a specific s-RNA for each individual amino acid. They pass the message for the code, so that a certain type of amino acid can be made.

So you are a living computer and did not know it. Throughout the body and in each cell, we find the most advanced scientific technology and apparatus. Just as the "byte" is the basic eight-unit binary pattern in computers, the "codon" is the basic three-nucleotide pattern in living creatures.—p. 15.

The biological compiler. Then there is the "t-DNA," This element carries out the code tasks. Without it, the code would be useless.—pp. 15-16.

DNA indexing. Every computer requires a data bank, so the information can be accessed. The DNA contains the data bank, but "indexes" are needed in order to find it. These are different than the translators. They are non-DNA chemicals which function to locate specifically needed information.

The production of materials by DNA is triggered by these indexes. Their presence, in turn, initiates further indexing as new materials are made. Additional indexes are to be found in specialized functions, such as nervous, muscular, hormonal, circulatory, etc. The utter complexity of all this is astounding.—p. 16.

Cell switching. This function is needed to switch the DNA codes from one process to another. The signal to do it is provided by other functions, but the actual switch is called the "cell switch."—p. 16.

An exact fit required. Every aspect of the DNA function must be perfect. The polynucleotide strands have to be formed in exactly the shape needed to neatly wrap about the DNA helix molecule. There must be a 100 percent fit.

Scientists, working in million-dollar laboratories, are unable to accurately synthesize the polynucleotides or make them in predetermined sizes and shapes.—p. 16.

Not randomness, but intelligence. It is obvious that nothing about this is random. Everything reveals highly intelligent designing and production. Obviously, a tiny cell cannot be that smart. Who keeps it running right? Who designed it in the beginning? Surely, it did not come together by chance.—pp. 16-17.

Multi-gene characteristics. Did you know that each characteristic in a living creature is controlled by several different genes? This only makes the process all the more complicated.

There would be no way the DNA code could gradually "evolve." Everything had to be there from the beginning.—p. 17.

MATHEMATICAL POSSIBILITIES


Math looks at DNA. DNA is not the result of an accident. The mathematical possibilities that all this intertwining of codes and processors could come together by accident—is totally impossible. That is what the experts tell us.

For example, we are told that the information content of the gene in its complexity must be as great as the enzyme it controls. Yet just one medium-sized protein will consist of about 300 amino acids! That protein was made by a DNA gene, which would have to have about 1,000 nucleotides in its chain. Since there are four kinds of nucleotides in a single DNA chain, one with 1,000 links could exist in 4[SUP]1000[/SUP] different forms. —4^1000 = 1.15•10^602 that is 1 followed by 602 zeros, which is more than billions of billions of billions of billions of billions of billions … the amount of electrons in the whole universe.

Yet all this complexity is required to make the simplest living creature.Everything had to be in place at once from the beginning. Whether it be a one-celled or a multi-celled creature, all the cellular functions had to be there from the start.—pp. 17-18.

Goley's machine. A communications engineer tried to figure the odds for bringing a non-living organism with few parts (only 1,500) up to the point of being able to reproduce itself. Requiring 1,500 right choices from the beginning, he found there was only one chance in 10[SUP]450[/SUP] that there could be success. That is 1 followed by 450 zeros.

Yet there are only 10[SUP]80[/SUP] particles in all the universe!—pp. 18, 20.

Too many nucleotides. Actually, there are too many nucleotides in DNA for Goley's machine! There are 5,375 nucleotides in the DNA of an extremely small bacterial virus (theta-x-174). There are about 3 million nucleotides in a single cell bacteria. There are over 3 billion nucleotides in the DNA of a mammalian cell. (People and most animals are mammals.)

A "nucleotide" is a complex chemical structure composed of certain chemicals. Each one of the thousands in your DNA cells are aligned sequentially in a very specific order! Imagine 3 billion complicated chemical links, each one of which has to be in a precisely correct sequence!—p. 20.

Not possible by chance. The possibility that a pile of sand or a mud puddle could make any living creature—is totally remote. It just could not happen.

The truth is that something totally impossible can never happen. If I throw a book into the air, it will never change into a live pigeon, never.

The evolutionary error is that, if something is totally impossible, it will eventually happen, if given enough time. Accepting such an error is self-deception in the extreme.

Wysong explains why evolution is totally impossible:

"1 / 10[SUP]89190[/SUP] DNA molecules, on the average, must form to provide the one chance of forming the specific DNA sequence necessary to code the 124 proteins. 10[SUP]89190[/SUP] DNAs would weigh 10[SUP]89147[/SUP] times more than the earth."—p. 20.

DNA different in each species. Although it is utterly impossible for DNA to be formed by chance for even one species,—the DNA codes for each species is different from another! This only multiplies the odds against all the living creatures in the world having been formed by chance! (By "species," we mean basic kinds; the "species" listed by biologists are sometimes varieties of a single true species.)—pp. 20-21.

AMINO ACIDS AND PROTEIN


Complexities of protein. The complexities of protein are so great, that the various kinds (of which there are 20 essential types) could never have been made by chance.—pp. 21-23.

Synthesized proteins. Scientists are now able to make protein from chemicals. Evolutionists claim that, therefore, seawater could do it by chance also. But keep this in mind:

The scientists have million-dollar laboratories, and are specially trained. They have to purchase special chemicals made by chemical companies. Yet the proteins they produce are random types. It is impossible to make them in the right pattern or sequence. What they get is in no particular sequence or use. It is also impossible to make only left-handed ones, which are the only kind in animals.—pp. 23-24.

Consider the chances. What are the chances of a million-dollar laboratory correctly synthesizing left-hand amino acids for one small protein molecule? It is 1 in 10[SUP]210[/SUP]. That is 1 with 210 zeros after it.

To properly understand the immense size of these impossible chances, consider this:Ten billion years is 10[SUP]18[/SUP] seconds. The earth weighs 10[SUP]26[/SUP] ounces. The entire universe has a diameter of only 10[SUP]28[/SUP] inches. There are 10[SUP]80[/SUP] elementary (subatomic) particles in the universe.

Now, please! Compare these numbers with the inconceivably larger numbers needed to accidently produce DNA or protein!

In order to succeed, evolution requires total impossibilities!—pp. 24-25.

DNA AND CELLS - 1
 
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Well okay, not *ignore*, but learn the science behind his quotes before believing him that they disprove evolution... cooler?
Lol. I'm content that you didn't take offense, at least.
 

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Convergent Evolution or Intelligent Design? 2


It is illogical to maintain that similarities between different forms of life always imply a common ancestor (c); such similarities may imply a common designer and show efficient design. In fact, where similar structures are known to be controlled by different genes (d) or are developed from different parts of embryos (e), a common designer is a much more likely explanation than evolution.

c. “By this we have also proved that a morphological similarity between organisms cannot be used as proof of a phylogenetic [evolutionary] relationship...it is unscientific to maintain that the morphology may be used to prove relationships and evolution of the higher categories of units...” Nilsson, p. 1143.

“But biologists have known for a hundred years that homologous [similar] structures are often not produced by similar developmental pathways. And they have known for thirty years that they are often not produced by similar genes, either. So there is no empirically demonstrated mechanism to establish that homologies are due to common ancestry rather than common design.” Jonathan Wells, “Survival of the Fakest,” The American Spectator, December 2000/January 2001, p. 22.

d. Fix, pp. 189–191.

Denton, pp. 142–155.

“Therefore, homologous structures need not be controlled by identical genes, and homology of phenotypes does not imply similarity of genotypes. [emphasis in original] It is now clear that the pride with which it was assumed that the inheritance of homologous structures from a common ancestor explained homology was misplaced; for such inheritance cannot be ascribed to identity of genes. ... But if it is true that through the genetic code, genes code for enzymes that synthesize proteins which are responsible (in a manner still unknown in embryology) for the differentiation of the various parts in their normal manner, what mechanism can it be that results in the production of homologous organs, the same ‘patterns’, in spite of their not being controlled by the same genes? I asked this question in 1938, and it has not been answered.” [Nor has it been answered today.] Gavin R. deBeer, formerly Professor of Embryology at the University of London and Director of the British Museum (Natural History), Homology, An Unsolved Problem (London: Oxford University Press, 1971), p. 16.

e. “Structures as obviously homologous as the alimentary canal in all vertebrates can be formed from the roof of the embryonic gut cavity (sharks), floor (lampreys, newts), roof and floor (frogs), or from the lower layer of the embryonic disc, the blastoderm, that floats on the top of heavily yolked eggs (reptiles, birds). It does not seem to matter where in the egg or the embryo the living substance out of which homologous organs are formed comes from. Therefore, correspondence between homologous structures cannot be pressed back to similarity of position of the cells of the embryo or the parts of the egg out of which these structures are ultimately differentiated.” [emphasis in original] Ibid., p. 13.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
 
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Phillipy

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Pahu, australopiths had populations that specialized in hunter-gathering and problem solving, and other populations that specialized in big jaw bones and jaw muscles for chewing the roots of reeds that other animals weren't eating (only those that adapted into the problem-solving niche survive today). That's exactly the sort of sexually isolating mechanism that can turn one species into two, 'speciation'.
In your opinion, or according to your sources, australopiths; man or ape?
(include in your answer if you'd agree many are transitionals, with features of both)
 
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Anyone ever wonder why they recommend flu shots every year?

It's because the virus strain keeps EVOLVING.
 
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Instead of copying and pasting every single thing you read on creationscience.com, why don't you link us to the website itself and DISCUSS the actual website.?
Also, it would be nice to see some actual peer reviewed papers on this. Instead of touting this info to people who
may not have the best understanding of evolution why don't you give it to the actual scientists? I'm sure they
would be interested because this info would turn science on it's head! LOL! :p
 

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Vestigial Organs


Some structures in humans were once thought to have no function but to have been derived from functioning organs in claimed evolutionary ancestors (a). They were called vestigial organs. As medical knowledge has increased, at least some function has been discovered for all alleged vestigial organs (b). For example, the human appendix was once considered a useless remnant from our evolutionary past. The appendix plays a role in antibody production, protects part of the intestine from infections and tumor growths (c), and safely stores “good bacteria” that can replenish the intestines following bouts of diarrhea (d). The absence of true vestigial organs implies evolution never happened.

a. “The existence of functionless ‘vestigial organs’ was presented by Darwin, and is often cited by current biology textbooks, as part of the evidence for evolution....An analysis of the difficulties in unambiguously identifying functionless structures and an analysis of the nature of the argument, leads to the conclusion that ‘vestigial organs’ provide no evidence for evolutionary theory.” S. R. Scadding, “Do ‘Vestigial Organs’ Provide Evidence for Evolution?” Evolutionary Theory, Vol. 5, No. 3, May 1981, p. 173.

b. Jerry Bergman and George Howe, “Vestigial Organs” Are Fully Functional (Terre Haute, Indiana: Creation Research Society Books, 1990).

c. “The appendix is not generally credited with substantial function. However, current evidence tends to involve it in the immunologic mechanism.” Gordon McHardy, “The Appendix,” Gastroenterology, Vol. 4, editor J. Edward Berk (Philadelphia: W. B. Saunders Co., 1985), p. 2609.

“Thus, although scientists have long discounted the human appendix as a vestigial organ, a growing quantity of evidence indicates that the appendix does in fact have a significant function as a part of the body’s immune system. N. Roberts, “Does the Appendix Serve a Purpose in Any Animal?” Scientific American, Vol. 285, November 2001, p. 96.

d. “...the human appendix is well suited as a ‘safe house’ for commensal bacteria, providing support for bacterial growth and potentially facilitating re-inoculation of the colon in the event that the contents of the intestinal track are purged following exposure to a pathogen....the appendix...is not a vestige.” R. Randal Bollinger et. al., “Biofilms in the Large Bowel Suggest an Apparent Function of the Human Vermiform Appendix,” Journal of Theoretical Biology, Vol. 249, 2007, p. 826.

[From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown]
 
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Christabel

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Pahu, australopiths had populations that specialized in hunter-gathering and problem solving, and other populations that specialized in big jaw bones and jaw muscles for chewing the roots of reeds that other animals weren't eating (only those that adapted into the problem-solving niche survive today). That's exactly the sort of sexually isolating mechanism that can turn one species into two, 'speciation'.
In your opinion, or according to your sources, australopiths; man or ape?
(include in your answer if you'd agree many are transitionals, with features of both)
Taking college level anthropology right out of high school is amazingly different than taking it as a middle-aged person. You don't just believe everything you read and are told by those who believe what they're teaching you. As a much older person, you don't go to school to learn what to believe or how to think, you go to learn why people think the way they do. There are so many holes in the evolution theory, it's hardly worth addressing. A person has to want awful bad to believe in evolution (macro) to do so. The complexity of DNA alone is so phenomenally complicated and yet so perfectly and intricately organized, it's beyond impossible that its structure happened by a mere act of random chance. Oh yes, I know, statisticians say nothing is impossible. So if you believe them (and they are also mere men working with limited info, just like scientists), maybe you've got a one in a centillion chance of being right? Nah. I'm sure I'm being impossibly generous there. I doubt if there's a number on the scale low enough to use as an example for this. And you really want to bet on that horse? If so, you must really love that horse! ;)
 
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Taking college level anthropology right out of high school is amazingly different than taking it as a middle-aged person. You don't just believe everything you read and are told by those who believe what they're teaching you. As a much older person, you don't go to school to learn what to believe or how to think, you go to learn why people think the way they do. There are so many holes in the evolution theory, it's hardly worth addressing. A person has to want awful bad to believe in evolution (macro) to do so. The complexity of DNA alone is so phenomenally complicated and yet so perfectly and intricately organized, it's beyond impossible that its structure happened by a mere act of random chance. Oh yes, I know, statisticians say nothing is impossible. So if you believe them (and they are also mere men working with limited info, just like scientists), maybe you've got a one in a centillion chance of being right? Nah. I'm sure I'm being impossibly generous there. I doubt if there's a number on the scale low enough to use as an example for this. And you really want to bet on that horse? If so, you must really love that horse! ;)
In other words, it's impossible to believe something you don't want to be true?
Sorry, I don't want to believe that ;) The 'preference' for a belief paradigm doesn't predetermine the resulting belief, it just skews the probability.
 
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Perhaps that strawmanned (exaggerated your position), but I want to highlight/propose that mistaken belief is a result of several forces; Preference-Confirmation Bias, quantity of prompts for conformation bias, Reward-Punishment culture of holding the belief, access to education, lack of idea-argument-challenge and investment into supporting beliefs (the keyboard is in front of me, because to think not, I must identify why my more foundational belief [that observed/sensed reality is true] is false).