Science Disproves Evolution

You didn't look past it, haha.

How do you see those as paradoxes (serious question)?

I did read his post, and there's an inconsistency with logic or a paradox in both of them usually between either being allpowerful, or omnipotent like n the second one I mentoned.

No no, I didn't doubt that you read it! I said you didn't look past it, despite the comment "we'll look past that." Was just a harmless jab.

Okay, elucidate for me the paradox of someone being raised from the dead (it's too early in the morning and in the week for me to have my wits about me). We'll table the God learning one for now.

No no sorry, I wasn't referring to bent raised from the dead as a paradox but the can god learn question

Gotcha. So what do you think (if God indeed exists, does He learn)?

EDIT: No, I'm not setting you up. I'm probing you because I'm interested.

Originally Posted by Pahu

4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.

I am referring to a physical universe. God is spirit.

If he could learn he wouldn't be omnipotent, if he couldn't learn then he would be incapable of doing an action an therefore not all powerful.

What if the singularity was just there?

Then that defies naturalism and you're committing a special pleading fallacy.

Right!

This is where the paradox loses me, as if we concede to God being omnipotent for the sake of the example, what would He need to learn?

I'm applying the same status of it was just there to the singularity that manthay Christians do to god. And keep in mind, rather I should have mentioned, this is a what if scenario. I haven't made up my mind completely on if the singularity and the BB theory is valid.

It doesn't matter what he needs to learn rather if he willed it could he?

I think I understand what you're driving at, but let me phrase my question differently to better ask what I'm getting at: Wouldn't learning - for an omnipotent being - be irrelevant? Whether we indulge the paradox or not, it seems the question is just as mutually exclusive in its nature as the rock example.

But its the action of learning, an action an all powerful being should be able to complete that matters.

And around and around we go.

Thanks Grey. Agreed or not, I'll have to bow out of this one.

So where did the outside agent come from

Why do atheists still think this is a valid counter to the Christian God? Seriously, I have a bunch of 3rd graders at church that can shoot this down. So Grey, I really doubt that you're asking this because you don't know the answer, or becuase you've never once tried this on Christians before. I believe you know the response, and you just run around asking different Christians the same question expecting different results.

On the off chance you actually don't know and never ever even atempted to look into it before, God isn't a created being. God is eternal. By definition, something that's eternal cannot have a creator.

Besides the fact that we've accidentally gone off topic again.. it was a question not a counter Meg, and I wanted
ed to see some rationale. So a force of immense power and energy just is eternal? That reminds me of something we were discussing earlier..