Should we ban Capital Punishment?

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Elizabeth619

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Everyone knows what's crimes result in the death penalty.if a person willingly commits a crime and knows what the punishment will be then they signed their own death warrant.
 
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Everyone knows what's crimes result in the death penalty.if a person willingly commits a crime and knows what the punishment will be then they signed their own death warrant.
The only reason they face the death penalty is because some people consider it warranted. What happened to forgiveness? I'm not talking about wider society here, I'm talking about christian people - professed followers of Jesus of Nazareth. These people are supposed to be forgiving. Is backing the death penalty for those who have committed crimes forgiving?

Those who back such an antithesis of this wonderful, peace-seeking, selfless man are the very reason I refuse to call myself Christian. I believe something so different from them that being associated with their beliefs would be dishonorable.
 
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Exactly, the new testament that came to us from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ does not back the death penalty..It is against it.

Our Lord says to leave life and death decisions up to Him.

The only reason they face the death penalty is because some people consider it warranted. What happened to forgiveness? I'm not talking about wider society here, I'm talking about christian people - professed followers of Jesus of Nazareth. These people are supposed to be forgiving. Is backing the death penalty for those who have committed crimes forgiving?

Those who back such an antithesis of this wonderful, peace-seeking, selfless man are the very reason I refuse to call myself Christian. I believe something so different from them that being associated with their beliefs would be dishonorable.
 
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Exactly, the new testament that came to us from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ does not back the death penalty..It is against it.

Our Lord says to leave life and death decisions up to Him.
I agree. God said 'revenge is mine'. What is the death penalty but the ultimate revenge for a form of wrongdoing?
 
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That sounds like an emontional response, I would have a hard time believing that an apeal or two and a lethal injection would cost more than feeding, clothing, housing, dental, medical care, education and entertainment expeses for life would be less.
My response was anything but emotional. It's dollars and cents. Black and white. Clear as crystal. This source backs up my claim. And just for a little insurance, its from Fox News. And assuming you're probably some far right kind of person, it should stand to reason that not even conservative Republicans, a group quick to argue for the death penalty, can provide a valid argument against abolishing the death penalty.

Just or Not, Cost of Death Penalty Is a Killer for State Budgets | Fox News
 

Elizabeth619

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The only reason they face the death penalty is because some people consider it warranted. What happened to forgiveness? I'm not talking about wider society here, I'm talking about christian people - professed followers of Jesus of Nazareth. These people are supposed to be forgiving. Is backing the death penalty for those who have committed crimes forgiving?

Those who back such an antithesis of this wonderful, peace-seeking, selfless man are the very reason I refuse to call myself Christian. I believe something so different from them that being associated with their beliefs would be dishonorable.
Forgiveness doesn't mean avoiding consequences of ones actions.
So if someone commits murder should we forgive them and that be it? No. They have to deal with consequences.
 

Elizabeth619

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Exactly, the new testament that came to us from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ does not back the death penalty..It is against it.

Our Lord says to leave life and death decisions up to Him.
Read romans 13
 

Elizabeth619

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I agree. God said 'revenge is mine'. What is the death penalty but the ultimate revenge for a form of wrongdoing?
Having to deal with the consequences of breaking the law that was ordained by God himself is not revenge.


You act as if sentencing someone to death is sentencing them to Hell. Even a serial killer can seek Jesus and forgiveness before his death sentence. It isn't up to us as humans to judge their soul but their actions. IF their actions is illegal they should seek punishment that we predetermined.

Turning the other cheek does not mean letting crimminals go free.
 

p_rehbein

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Have had a change of heart this last couple of weeks...........brought about by reading several of the threads in the Bible Studies Forum............so I say YES, ban Capital Punishment.................and don't stop there...........BAN ALL CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS/punishments in the US..............after all, anything anyone ever did was predestined by God for them to do. So there is no just way to punish them for fulfilling God's will.
 
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Have had a change of heart this last couple of weeks...........brought about by reading several of the threads in the Bible Studies Forum............so I say YES, ban Capital Punishment.................and don't stop there...........BAN ALL CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS/punishments in the US..............after all, anything anyone ever did was predestined by God for them to do. So there is no just way to punish them for fulfilling God's will.
LOL, God is not the author of sin, but uses it sinlessly for his honor and glory.
Thanks for the chuckle this morning!
 

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I agree. God said 'revenge is mine'. What is the death penalty but the ultimate revenge for a form of wrongdoing?
Funny how you pick and choose from a Book that you don't fully believe in. I really don't appreciate you using God's Word in that hypocritical manner.
It gives the appearance you believe it but in actuality you are just 'using' God's Word for your own agendas.

(End of rant).
 
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Funny how you pick and choose from a Book that you don't fully believe in. I really don't appreciate you using God's Word in that hypocritical manner.
It gives the appearance you believe it but in actuality you are just 'using' God's Word for your own agendas.

(End of rant).
Crossnote, you know about as much about me as you do about eighth century Timbuktu's influence on Osama bin Laden's beard.
 

crossnote

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Crossnote, you know about as much about me as you do about eighth century Timbuktu's influence on Osama bin Laden's beard.
Wowww.
I know about you by what I have read from you. Mind giving a defense with some substance?
 

PennEd

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My response was anything but emotional. It's dollars and cents. Black and white. Clear as crystal. This source backs up my claim. And just for a little insurance, its from Fox News. And assuming you're probably some far right kind of person, it should stand to reason that not even conservative Republicans, a group quick to argue for the death penalty, can provide a valid argument against abolishing the death penalty.

Just or Not, Cost of Death Penalty Is a Killer for State Budgets | Fox News
I'd like to see you give your "dollars and cents" arguments to the family members of the people these murderers murdered AFTER being released from a so called "life sentence".
Revealed: The five murderers given life in jail but freed to kill again | Mail Online


I am a conservative Republican, and I believe I have MORE than met your challenge for "valid argument against abolishing the death penalty"

And please, spare us the tired "well I believe life should mean life". Until that murderer dies there is NO guarantee he or she won't murder again.
 

shrimp

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I believe in a capital punishment as God designed.

That said, I am grateful that we can look at God's law without fear of death.

Personally, I am coming to the conclusion that Christians shouldn't be involved with politics and law making.
 

Atwood

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How many threads are now going on this?
 

shrimp

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How many threads are now going on this?
Two that I've seen. One here and one in Bible Discussion. I didn't see the one in Bible Discussion until after I posted on here.
 
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I'd like to see you give your "dollars and cents" arguments to the family members of the people these murderers murdered AFTER being released from a so called "life sentence".
Revealed: The five murderers given life in jail but freed to kill again | Mail Online


I am a conservative Republican, and I believe I have MORE than met your challenge for "valid argument against abolishing the death penalty"

And please, spare us the tired "well I believe life should mean life". Until that murderer dies there is NO guarantee he or she won't murder again.
Well, what about the dark figure of inmates on death row who have been later found to be wrongly convicted and given execution? If exonerations have been granted to those on death row because they have been later found to be innocent, then how many more have been wrongfully executed, but never had exonerations? What about those families of the wrongly convicted?

And don't give me the "well, it's only a small percentage." That would be to say that their lives don't matter and don't deserve a fighting chance. Would you just throw up your hands and say screw it, we still got the other 96 percent? Then you, and the state that you support, would be taking innocent lives via poor judgement, just like those murderers you feel deserve to die.