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wait -- you think flat earth is the idea that doesn't need 'all the extra reasoning for how and why things work' ??
you haven't thought much about, say, physics and how it relates to this stuff yet, have you?
or meteorology or astronomy ?
honey, you need to come up with an entirely new theory of gravity, of geometry, of optics, of heat transfer, of tectonics, of geology, of economy, of aeronautics, of telemetry, of meteorology, just to name a few things.
in your '3 years' of looking into it i'm afraid you haven't been thinking this stuff through.
good grief, pick any one of these topics -- how does gravity work on a flat disc that the rest of the universe orbits around?? explain that. explain it using universally accepted and repeatedly affirmed known physics.
you think you don't need an enormous amount of re-writing all known properties of the universe to make this work, but the universally accepted perspective of the geometry of the earth is inexplicable given ordinary human knowledge???
no.
you ain't thought this through at all.
Here is a really good page on the matter:
The Evolution of "Bible-Science": Young Earthers, Geocentrists, Flat Earthers
Yes, it seems to be from a Catholic source...
That aside, it gives a plentitude of Scriptures that show how
people came to believe that the Earth was flat. For instance:
History of the Flat-Earthers
The first great battle between Christianity and science involved the shape of the earth. The sphericity of the earth was well known in the Hellenistic culture in which Christianity developed. Long before, Aristotle had offered three proofs that the earth is a globe: (1) ships leaving port disappear over the horizon; (2) as one travels to the south, stars that are not visible in Greece appear above the southern horizon; and (3) during an eclipse, the earth's shadow on the moon is visibly curved. Unfortunately, this spherical model conflicts with the way the earth is depicted in the Bible.
The ancient Hebrews, like their older and more powerful neighbors, the Babylonians and the Egyptians, were flat-earthers. The Hebrew cosmology is never actually spelled out in the Bible but, even without knowledge of the Babylonian system upon which it is patterned, it can be read between the lines of the Old Testament. The Genesis creation story itself suggests the relative size and importance of the earth and the celestial bodies by specifying their order of creation. The earth was created on the first day, and it was "without form and void" (Gen 1:2). On the second day a vault -- the "firmament" of the King James Bible -- was created to divide the waters, some being above and some below the vault (Gen 1:6-8). Not until the fourth day were the sun, moon, and stars created, and they were placed "in," not "above," the vault (Gen 1:14-17). The sizes of these bodies are not specified, but they had to be small, as Joshua later commanded the sun to stand still "in Gibeon" and the moon "in the Vale of Aijalon" (Josh 10:12).
The Bible repeatedly speaks of the "ends" of the earth. Sometimes the word in Hebrew is ephes, which means "end, extreme limits, nothingness." Other times it is qatsah or qetsev, which means, again, "end, extremity." Deuteronomy 13:7, for instance, uses the expression "from one end of the earth to the other end." The same expression, or a reference to the "end of the earth," occurs in Deuteronomy 28:49, 64; 33:17; 1 Samuel 2:10; Psalm 19:4; 22:27; 46:9; 48:10; 59:13; 65:5; 67:7; 98:3; 135:7; Proverbs 17:24; 30:4; Job 28:24; 37:3; Isaiah 5:26; 24:16; 40:28; 41:5; 42:10; 45:22; 48:20; 49:6; 52:10; 62:11; Jeremiah 10:13; 16:19; 25:33; Micah 5:4. Moreover, not only does the Bible indicate that the earth is flat and has ends, but it also teaches that the earth is square and has corners. Isaiah 11:12 says that God will "gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." Ezekiel 7:2 says that "the end is coming on the four corners of the earth." See also Revelation 7:1; 20:8, etc.
Other passages complete the picture. God "sits enthroned on the vaulted roof of earth, whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers" (Isa 40:21-22; cf. 45:12; 48:13). He also "walks to and fro on the vault of heaven" (Job 22:12-14), which vault is "hard as a mirror of cast metal" (Job 37:18; cf. 9:8). The roof of the sky has "windows" that God can open to let the waters above fall to the surface as rain. The Bible clearly speaks of the "windows" of heaven (Gen 7:10f; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2, 19; Isa 24:18f; Jer 51:15f; Mal 3:10); the "doors" in heaven that are "shut up" (1 Kings 8:35; 2 Chron 6:26; 7:13; Psalm 78:23; Rev 4:1; 11:6; 19:11); heaven has "gates" (Gen 28:17; Lev 26:19) and stories of stairs (Amos 9:6). A study of these passages will indicate that rain and food come through heaven's windows, etc. (Of course this is probably symbolic or "phenomological" language as most modern biblical scholars and exegetes would conclude, and such language is not meant to be taken literally).
The Evolution of "Bible-Science": Young Earthers, Geocentrists, Flat Earthers
Yes, it seems to be from a Catholic source...
That aside, it gives a plentitude of Scriptures that show how
people came to believe that the Earth was flat. For instance:
History of the Flat-Earthers
The first great battle between Christianity and science involved the shape of the earth. The sphericity of the earth was well known in the Hellenistic culture in which Christianity developed. Long before, Aristotle had offered three proofs that the earth is a globe: (1) ships leaving port disappear over the horizon; (2) as one travels to the south, stars that are not visible in Greece appear above the southern horizon; and (3) during an eclipse, the earth's shadow on the moon is visibly curved. Unfortunately, this spherical model conflicts with the way the earth is depicted in the Bible.
The ancient Hebrews, like their older and more powerful neighbors, the Babylonians and the Egyptians, were flat-earthers. The Hebrew cosmology is never actually spelled out in the Bible but, even without knowledge of the Babylonian system upon which it is patterned, it can be read between the lines of the Old Testament. The Genesis creation story itself suggests the relative size and importance of the earth and the celestial bodies by specifying their order of creation. The earth was created on the first day, and it was "without form and void" (Gen 1:2). On the second day a vault -- the "firmament" of the King James Bible -- was created to divide the waters, some being above and some below the vault (Gen 1:6-8). Not until the fourth day were the sun, moon, and stars created, and they were placed "in," not "above," the vault (Gen 1:14-17). The sizes of these bodies are not specified, but they had to be small, as Joshua later commanded the sun to stand still "in Gibeon" and the moon "in the Vale of Aijalon" (Josh 10:12).
The Bible repeatedly speaks of the "ends" of the earth. Sometimes the word in Hebrew is ephes, which means "end, extreme limits, nothingness." Other times it is qatsah or qetsev, which means, again, "end, extremity." Deuteronomy 13:7, for instance, uses the expression "from one end of the earth to the other end." The same expression, or a reference to the "end of the earth," occurs in Deuteronomy 28:49, 64; 33:17; 1 Samuel 2:10; Psalm 19:4; 22:27; 46:9; 48:10; 59:13; 65:5; 67:7; 98:3; 135:7; Proverbs 17:24; 30:4; Job 28:24; 37:3; Isaiah 5:26; 24:16; 40:28; 41:5; 42:10; 45:22; 48:20; 49:6; 52:10; 62:11; Jeremiah 10:13; 16:19; 25:33; Micah 5:4. Moreover, not only does the Bible indicate that the earth is flat and has ends, but it also teaches that the earth is square and has corners. Isaiah 11:12 says that God will "gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." Ezekiel 7:2 says that "the end is coming on the four corners of the earth." See also Revelation 7:1; 20:8, etc.
Other passages complete the picture. God "sits enthroned on the vaulted roof of earth, whose inhabitants are like grasshoppers" (Isa 40:21-22; cf. 45:12; 48:13). He also "walks to and fro on the vault of heaven" (Job 22:12-14), which vault is "hard as a mirror of cast metal" (Job 37:18; cf. 9:8). The roof of the sky has "windows" that God can open to let the waters above fall to the surface as rain. The Bible clearly speaks of the "windows" of heaven (Gen 7:10f; 8:2; 2 Kings 7:2, 19; Isa 24:18f; Jer 51:15f; Mal 3:10); the "doors" in heaven that are "shut up" (1 Kings 8:35; 2 Chron 6:26; 7:13; Psalm 78:23; Rev 4:1; 11:6; 19:11); heaven has "gates" (Gen 28:17; Lev 26:19) and stories of stairs (Amos 9:6). A study of these passages will indicate that rain and food come through heaven's windows, etc. (Of course this is probably symbolic or "phenomological" language as most modern biblical scholars and exegetes would conclude, and such language is not meant to be taken literally).
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If you are sincere then I'm happy to share the physics, etc... with you. It seems for the most part people here just want to ridicule something they've obviously never gave a real chance and just closed their mind. That's fine, I just don't want to waste my time on those people.
I'll start with what you mentioned first, "theory of gravity", on a flat earth gravity is not needed to explain anything because the provable and repeatable density/buoyancy FACT (not theory) takes care of it.
Please let me know if I need to go into more detail, I'm not assuming how much you know or do not know about physics.
I'll start with what you mentioned first, "theory of gravity", on a flat earth gravity is not needed to explain anything because the provable and repeatable density/buoyancy FACT (not theory) takes care of it.
Please let me know if I need to go into more detail, I'm not assuming how much you know or do not know about physics.
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Ooh, I want to see this. I'm dying to know how the conservation of angular momentum no longer applies, and since it doesn't on a flat Earth, then I am really interested to see what replaces Newton's Laws of Motion...and by extension, a major portion of Differential and Integral Calculus, both that developed by Newton and from Leibniz too.