The Gun Thread

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posthuman

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Know a man who applied a 40 grain projectile traveling at 1600 fps
to an attacker in his shin, shattering the bone and costing him that leg.
a much slower criminal now if he insists on that way of living his
life before the Giver of Life calls the gift of life he has been given
back to Him. Sounds like a merciful correction of behavior and it kept
the good Christian man and family safe to continue to serve the Lord.
i know a man who shot himself in the leg because he was fantasizing and fondling the shiny new hair-trigger he had ((uselessly)) bought for his pistol. with a black talon round, specifically designed to do maximum damage to human flesh, also uselessly bought and chambered, as a full-metal jacket would just as easily serve to be used in self defense, as though once in his life even one of his guns had ever​ been put to that purpose.

he's crippled for the rest of his life.

what did he learn?
these days he lies about his injury, making up stories to impress people rather than admitting the truth of his foolishness and obsession.
 

hornetguy

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Question for you gun folks? I have a 30 30 shotgun and a 357 semi automatic pistol just for protection. I live alone in a rural area so I thought they would be good for protection. Problem is I am not good with shooting. I have only shot them a couple of times and didn't like it at all.

So the question is if there is a threat like a dangerous animal outside or my home is getting broken into which one would be the best to defend myself with?
A couple of points... a 30-30 is not a shotgun. A 30-30 is a rifle, usually a lever action.

There are very few 357 semi automatic pistols, unless you are talking about a 357 Sig pistol..

Now, to answer your question, for you, as a home defense weapon, my opinion is that a pump 20 gauge shotgun would be your best choice. My second choice would be a proven reliable .22 autoloading (semi-automatic) rifle. There are many that would fit in that role. For your use, as a professed "non-gun" kind of person, I would recommend the Ruger 10/22, with several extra magazines. They hold 10 rounds, and are easy to load/reload in the rifle. Recoil would be almost non-existent, and the muzzle blast (noise) is low.

The 22 rimfire is effective against all but the largest animals you are likely to encounter, unless you live in bear country.

Against human predators, a flurry of 22 caliber bullets at fairly close range would very likely stop nearly any attack.

Also, 22 ammunition is cheap enough that you can get a lot of practice in with it, so you will feel confident in your ability to use it.

Contrary to what many people think, it is very easy to miss with a shotgun, especially at "combat" distances. However, if you don't miss, it's a very good tool for protection. Here is a picture of a target shot at 3 yards (common combat distance) and at 7 yards, which would be across the typical large room. It's easy to see how you could miss with a shotgun.

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The downside is that it is more expensive to shoot, with more recoil, or "kick", and would be a lot louder, especially in an enclosed space.

So, bottom line... use the largest gun you can become proficient with... if you can handle a shotgun, great... that's much better than a 22 rifle. But if you cannot master a shotgun, get a 22 rifle, and shoot it, a LOT, to become familiar with it.

If you are not willing to put in the time to become familiar and competent with it, I would not recommend your using a firearm. I'd get a large, protective dog...
 

hornetguy

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i know a man who shot himself in the leg because he was fantasizing and fondling the shiny new hair-trigger he had ((uselessly)) bought for his pistol. with a black talon round, specifically designed to do maximum damage to human flesh, also uselessly bought and chambered, as a full-metal jacket would just as easily serve to be used in self defense, as though once in his life even one of his guns had ever​ been put to that purpose.

he's crippled for the rest of his life.

what did he learn?
these days he lies about his injury, making up stories to impress people rather than admitting the truth of his foolishness and obsession.
There are a lot of people who do foolish things... not only with guns.

In fact, there are likely a lot fewer stories about idiots with guns than idiots with cars, or motorcycles, or knives, or circular saws...

Face it.... an idiot is going to do stupid things, no matter what the tool is.
 

BrokenSparrow

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A wound from a 22lr, unless you were fortunate enough to miss the ribs completely and rupture the aorta, would do little more than tick off an attacker that is pumped up on adrenaline and wouldn't even be noticed by someone pumped up on some street grade pharmaceuticals.
Then maybe its not the best route to go then. There's many people getting on some hard drugs where I live and that is why I've got the guns anyhow. I think people around here is on some really wacky stuff like synthetic marijuana, ice, crack, meth and bath salts. It used to be a really decent town but now there's a lot bad things going on. So I guess maybe a 22 is not the way to go because I sure don't want to just tick an attacker off.
 

BrokenSparrow

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A couple of points... a 30-30 is not a shotgun. A 30-30 is a rifle, usually a lever action.

There are very few 357 semi automatic pistols, unless you are talking about a 357 Sig pistol..

Now, to answer your question, for you, as a home defense weapon, my opinion is that a pump 20 gauge shotgun would be your best choice. My second choice would be a proven reliable .22 autoloading (semi-automatic) rifle. There are many that would fit in that role. For your use, as a professed "non-gun" kind of person, I would recommend the Ruger 10/22, with several extra magazines. They hold 10 rounds, and are easy to load/reload in the rifle. Recoil would be almost non-existent, and the muzzle blast (noise) is low.

The 22 rimfire is effective against all but the largest animals you are likely to encounter, unless you live in bear country.

Against human predators, a flurry of 22 caliber bullets at fairly close range would very likely stop nearly any attack.

Also, 22 ammunition is cheap enough that you can get a lot of practice in with it, so you will feel confident in your ability to use it.

Contrary to what many people think, it is very easy to miss with a shotgun, especially at "combat" distances. However, if you don't miss, it's a very good tool for protection. Here is a picture of a target shot at 3 yards (common combat distance) and at 7 yards, which would be across the typical large room. It's easy to see how you could miss with a shotgun.

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The downside is that it is more expensive to shoot, with more recoil, or "kick", and would be a lot louder, especially in an enclosed space.

So, bottom line... use the largest gun you can become proficient with... if you can handle a shotgun, great... that's much better than a 22 rifle. But if you cannot master a shotgun, get a 22 rifle, and shoot it, a LOT, to become familiar with it.

If you are not willing to put in the time to become familiar and competent with it, I would not recommend your using a firearm. I'd get a large, protective dog...
Lol I don't even know the difference between a shot gun and riffle, and I own one....that's just bad. I thought all long guns were shot guns. The 357 is an older gun, I think 90 something model. I bought them off a relative about a year ago and have just kept them locked up. I haven't even had to buy any ammo for them. He gave me a couple boxes for each. So I'm sure I really do need to know exactly what kind of guns they are. I've only shot them a couple times each and I was terrible at it so I know I should practice. Their both loaded and locked up, which is good that their loaded because I don't even know if I remember how to load them.

So thanks for the info and you're right I need to find a gun that I can handle better and get competent with if I am going to keep a gun to use for protection.

I just really think they are scary, but maybe if I would make myself practice with a friend...I might get over my fear of them.
 

hornetguy

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Lol I don't even know the difference between a shot gun and riffle, and I own one....that's just bad. I thought all long guns were shot guns. The 357 is an older gun, I think 90 something model. I bought them off a relative about a year ago and have just kept them locked up. I haven't even had to buy any ammo for them. He gave me a couple boxes for each. So I'm sure I really do need to know exactly what kind of guns they are. I've only shot them a couple times each and I was terrible at it so I know I should practice. Their both loaded and locked up, which is good that their loaded because I don't even know if I remember how to load them.

So thanks for the info and you're right I need to find a gun that I can handle better and get competent with if I am going to keep a gun to use for protection.

I just really think they are scary, but maybe if I would make myself practice with a friend...I might get over my fear of them.
Yes... practice with them, and I guarantee that you will get more comfortable with them. Shooting is a GREAT sport... target shooting requires lots of eye-hand coordination and mental control.

If you can post pics of the guns you have, we can tell you what you have... If it is a 357, it is likely a revolver, and it could be a Smith and Wesson, or a Ruger, or a Taurus... The long gun could be a shotgun, but if he told you it was a 30-30, it is probably a lever action, either Winchester, or Marlin...

also... there is no better feeling of confidence in your ability to have some control on your own destiny, once you become proficient with your firearms.
 

shittim

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wouldn't know. i don't shoot at targets like that, you probably shouldn't with your mind set.
The sword practice probably should stop as well if those are the thoughts you have.
Teaching marksmanship to young people is a time when they really pay attention, then you can
add the life lessons a young person needs.
I don't know of anyone who possesses the negative traits you have mentioned.
Maybe you should find new folks to be with, I can't imagine Jesus guiding anyone to
seek out people like that, and if He did it was so you could be the positive influence
they seem to desperately need.
Golf, bowling, stock car racing, drag racing, can all become wrong priorities in a persons life.
It isn't the inanimate object.

best wishes
 

BrokenSparrow

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Yes... practice with them, and I guarantee that you will get more comfortable with them. Shooting is a GREAT sport... target shooting requires lots of eye-hand coordination and mental control.

If you can post pics of the guns you have, we can tell you what you have... If it is a 357, it is likely a revolver, and it could be a Smith and Wesson, or a Ruger, or a Taurus... The long gun could be a shotgun, but if he told you it was a 30-30, it is probably a lever action, either Winchester, or Marlin...

also... there is no better feeling of confidence in your ability to have some control on your own destiny, once you become proficient with your firearms.
I looked at the barrels on them and the 357 says smith and wesson the 30 30 says Marlin but the scope on it says Simmons. So I guess the gun and the scope are different brands...Is that normal???

But yeah, I am going to start practicing with them. I don't like the kick, but I really hate the sound. Last time I shot them I thought I was deaf for a few seconds...lol I guess I'll have to wear ear plugs:p
 

BrokenSparrow

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Sorry left this out on my other post...it says S&W 357 magnum. Is that different than a revolver.
 
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Then maybe its not the best route to go then. There's many people getting on some hard drugs where I live and that is why I've got the guns anyhow. I think people around here is on some really wacky stuff like synthetic marijuana, ice, crack, meth and bath salts. It used to be a really decent town but now there's a lot bad things going on. So I guess maybe a 22 is not the way to go because I sure don't want to just tick an attacker off.
Have you considered moving to another town?

( half serious and half joking )

:)
 

hornetguy

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It sounds like you have two of the best representatives of those guns. Smith and Wesson revolvers are considered among the best available.

When you shoot it, I recommend you get some target level 38 special loads. They will kick a lot less, and be quite a bit less loud.. You don't HAVE to shoot 357's out of it.... in fact, I would recommend you shoot nothing but 38 specials in it, until you get REALLY proficient. You will enjoy it a lot more, as well.

The Marlin is probably the smoothest lever action 30-30 ever made. They are very nice, and powerful enough to hunt anything in the US, with the exception of elk, and the big bears.

Shooting it won't be terribly painful, but it does kick some... just learn proper technique for mounting it to your shoulder, and you should have no trouble with it. If you shoot it standing up the first few times, you will be able to sort of "roll" with the kick, and it won't be as bad.

And, ABSOLUTELY use hearing protection.... anything above a .22 rimfire rifle is loud enough to cause permanent damage to your hearing. I recommend you use foam ear plugs, under ear muff style protection...like these... they can be found for around $20 or so, and are essential for safe shooting.

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Plus, you will be able to relax, and be more in control if you are not anticipating a loud noise every time you pull the trigger.


Oh, and yes, you can put nearly any brand of scope on a rifle.... Simmons is an entry level brand of scope.
 
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BrokenSparrow

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Have you considered moving to another town?

( half serious and half joking )

:)
I thought they were all like this now. Really though, just a few years ago you could actually leave you door unlocked around here. Now it is a total different story. There are a lot of people walking around so messed up that they look like the living dead :(
 

hornetguy

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Sorry left this out on my other post...it says S&W 357 magnum. Is that different than a revolver.
No... a revolver is a type of handgun. It is called that because the cylinder revolves to align a different chamber with the barrel. Most hold 6 cartridges. Smaller ones only hold 5. There are some that hold 7, or even 8, but 6 has been the "standard" for a long time.
These are revolvers....
revolver.png revolver1.jpg

The other type of handgun is called a "pistol", or autoloading pistol... there are many varieties of these... they will look similar to this...

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shittim

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and those a very nice revolvers!
 

BrokenSparrow

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It sounds like you have two of the best representatives of those guns. Smith and Wesson revolvers are considered among the best available.

When you shoot it, I recommend you get some target level 38 special loads. They will kick a lot less, and be quite a bit less loud.. You don't HAVE to shoot 357's out of it.... in fact, I would recommend you shoot nothing but 38 specials in it, until you get REALLY proficient. You will enjoy it a lot more, as well.

The Marlin is probably the smoothest lever action 30-30 ever made. They are very nice, and powerful enough to hunt anything in the US, with the exception of elk, and the big bears.

Shooting it won't be terribly painful, but it does kick some... just learn proper technique for mounting it to your shoulder, and you should have no trouble with it. If you shoot it standing up the first few times, you will be able to sort of "roll" with the kick, and it won't be as bad.

And, ABSOLUTELY use hearing protection.... anything above a .22 rimfire rifle is loud enough to cause permanent damage to your hearing. I recommend you use foam ear plugs, under ear muff style protection...like these... they can be found for around $20 or so, and are essential for safe shooting.

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Plus, you will be able to relax, and be more in control if you are not anticipating a loud noise every time you pull the trigger.


Oh, and yes, you can put nearly any brand of scope on a rifle.... Simmons is an entry level brand of scope.
Thanks, you have really helped me a lot. Sounds like the 38 bullets would be much better. And Yes the ear plugs and head phones is going to be a must for me. :)
 
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I thought they were all like this now. Really though, just a few years ago you could actually leave you door unlocked around here. Now it is a total different story. There are a lot of people walking around so messed up that they look like the living dead :(
That is truly sad... :(
 

BrokenSparrow

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Yes it is a sad sight to see, but it is also a little scary. The drugs they are on causes them to be totally out of there minds. There has been a big increase in murder and missing people here in the past few years. Which is also sad. Just a pretty bad situation all the way around :(
 

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I've been looking at the Savage 338 Lapua mag for awhile.

Its a pretty good value for a rifle capable of 2000+ yards.

Other rifles in 338 lapua are at least double the cost.
 

Tommy379

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I've been looking at the Savage 338 Lapua mag for awhile.

Its a pretty good value for a rifle capable of 2000+ yards.

Other rifles in 338 lapua are at least double the cost.
It's expensive to shoot. Do you have somewhere to shoot that far? If you do I'd like to be friends.
 

hornetguy

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Man, I can't even SEE 1000 yards, much less 2000...

It would be cool if you had a 1000 yard range... shooting long distances would be fun... takes a LOT of control, from what I hear.

I'd be happy if I had ready access to a 200-300 yard range.

Nearly all ranges around here are 100 only.