The Gun Thread

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Deade

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Love it.
Now add text to keep the site happy.

How is this: I'll post this from another thread.

Here is my two-cents worth. I am a trained gunsmith (retired because of carpel tunnel) and a life member of NRA. No new legislation is going to rid the U.S.A. of guns. We have a gun culture. People like to shoot targets, silhouettes, skeet, trap and a myriad of competitive shooting: long range, 3 gun, cowboy, etc. I don't even know of them all. Some are public and some are police or military.

Back to the gun culture: Besides shooting many people are collectors. Some are just amateur collectors that keep guns with only a sentimental value. Most collections have some sentimental pieces, but have value pieces also. The criminals could care less about gun control laws as they don't obey laws anyway. No law will deal with the entrenched guns in our society, short of a police state. Some of the schools here in Oklahoma are allowing the staff the carry concealed guns; and they have posted at the schools signs warning that a shooter will be met with lethal force, if necessary.

The 42 states, that allow and respect the Right to Carry, represent 74 percent of the U.S. population. There are 16.5 million people registered to carry arms. The violent crime rate is down 51 percent. From 2007 to 2015 concealed carry permits increased by 215 percent. During that same time frame, the murder rate dropped 14 percent. In Florida and Texas only one in about 42,000 permit holders are convicted of firearm violations. It seems the wild-west scenario the liberals projected didn't happen. Two-thirds of published, peer reviewed studies have found that Right to Carry laws reduce U.S. violent crime rates.


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Unfortunately, school shootings have become a part of American culture. So when any violent-minded hateful young person decides to kill, a school is the first choice.

Once something is a part of culture, it is very, very hard to reverse. There will always be someone out there who has it in the back of his or her mind and could act on it whenever.
 

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Really? That's odd.... I haven't had any luck posting a GIF file.... Either I'm too old to figure it out, or there's something weird in my account.. I've tried probably 10 or 15 times, and they never work.
The app opens up, but I am only able to select the url method. I don't even use it much any more, now that I am creating my own graphics. I upload them to an image hosting site, and they create a code for it, which I simply copy and paste into the text box. Copying (by highlighting and then "ctrl + c") an image also works :)

Make sure when you are selecting from a folder on your device
that you click OFF
Retrieve remote file and reference locally :D
 

Deade

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The app opens up, but I am only able to select the url method. I don't even use it much any more, now that I am creating my own graphics. I upload them to an image hosting site, and they create a code for it, which I simply copy and paste into the text box. Copying (by highlighting and then "ctrl + c") an image also works :)

Make sure when you are selecting from a folder on your device
that you click OFF
Retrieve remote file and reference locally :D
Magenta, I was having trouble with my animated pics. Sometimes they would copy straight out of my folders on Pinerest, but they wouldn't work. If I opened them in a new window they started working again. Something to try anyway.
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Unfortunately, school shootings have become a part of American culture. So when any violent-minded hateful young person decides to kill, a school is the first choice.

Once something is a part of culture, it is very, very hard to reverse. There will always be someone out there who has it in the back of his or her mind and could act on it whenever.
Not too hard to reverse if you allow school staff members with a CCL license to carry on school grounds, and make it a federal crime for a gun to leave physical contact with the staff member for any amount of time.

The 2nd amendment is a self-regulating amendment...meaning that if 1 armed bad guy wants to do harm to a room of 10 armed good guys, he wont get very far. Guns only got dangerous with the introduction of gun control, which only took guns out of the hands of the good guys.
 
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Yet there is massacre after massacre. How many school shootings so far this year? 18 I believe. Your children are paying the price.
says the guy whose been having to swallow one crazy law after another since his country has been systematically spiraling into progressive insanity. You know who paid the price for unarmed societies? Unarmed Ukrainian students in the 2014 protests when they started getting sniped by their own government.

"An armed society is a polite society...and a free one."
 

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I hosed up in 1984....I worked at "MCCRACKS" and my boss offered me a Dan Wesson 357 in a nice case that had 4 different length barrels, different colored sights and a few other things for $250.00 and I did not buy it.......
I've owned two Dan Wesson .357s (an early "pork-chop",
and one of the later style), and I would not own another.
Both tended to misfire, and I won't tolerate that from a revolver.
Sold both and do not regret it.
I'd say it worked out in your favor.
 

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How are we to respond to the liberals over the new school shooting? They have their speeches ready for each crisis. Officers on campus didn't do a lot of good this time.

The only thing I can think of is to arm teachers. The liberals will hate that, but what other realistic solution can we offer?
The problem is the left hates guns and will never accept the fact that mass murders go to gun free zones to shoot people. They want to ban guns everywhere. They ignore the valid reasons for the public to be able to arm themselves. First And foremost is to defend themselves and others against evil people with guns.
 
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I've owned two Dan Wesson .357s (an early "pork-chop",
and one of the later style), and I would not own another.
Both tended to misfire, and I won't tolerate that from a revolver.
Sold both and do not regret it.
I'd say it worked out in your favor.
Awesome......maybe a premonition.......thanks for the info.....
 

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Revolvers can get dry, that is the only time I have had one misfire.
I am partial to the DW I have.
YMMV
 

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I had a DW revolver with a couple extra barrels for a short time, back in the 80's.. While I liked the gun, and the concept of being able to have different barrel lengths, with the added bonus of being able to "set" your barrel/cylinder gap as tight as you dared... in reality, it wasn't as convenient as I expected it to be.

Every time I changed a barrel, I would have to re-zero the sights. Granted, going from a long barrel to a short barrel, to be used for self defense, probably wouldn't make a difference. But putting the long barrel back on, for hunting or target work required the re-sight in process.

I traded it off pretty quickly, as soon as the opportunity presented itself. It seemed to be a well made revolver, though.
 

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Just a heads up.... If you ever wanted to own a bump-stock, better buy one now! :rolleyes:

Trump urges ban on 'bump stocks,' other gun modifiers | Fox News
Not a problem for me. I have zero desire to own one. Personally, I think they should be treated the same way that a kit to modify the sear from semi-auto to full auto should be.

If you don't go through the process to be vetted by the FBI and your local law enforcement agent, it should be a federal crime to have anything that turns a semi-auto firearm into a fully automatic one.

The BATFE has a history of condemning many things that violate the spirit of the law, if not the letter of the law. Look at the Thompson Center Contender/Encore rifle/pistol issue. It used to be illegal (might still be) to put a handgun stock and short barrel onto a Contender frame that was originally purchased as a carbine/rifle.
It was EXACTLY the same frame, it was just that the "firearm" was sold as a rifle, and you have converted it to a pistol..... even though you could legally buy a pistol EXACTLY like the one you just "illegally" converted. That violates the law.
Even though the firearm was designed to be modular. Barrel interchangeability, etc...
 

shittim

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Very good point, if I recall correctly when you put the carbine stock on the receiver with a pistol barrel you were breaking a federal law, if you put the rifle barrel on first, then the stock, you were ok.
 

hornetguy

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Very good point, if I recall correctly when you put the carbine stock on the receiver with a pistol barrel you were breaking a federal law, if you put the rifle barrel on first, then the stock, you were ok.
Yes, it was a little crazy. A rifle cannot have a barrel less than 16". And, the overall length has to be at least 26 inches.
So, if you bought a Contender pistol, you could legally put a longer barrel (over 16") and a buttstock on it, and make it into a rifle. But, if you bought a Contender Carbine, it was illegal to put a pistol grip and a short barrel on it, because you have "officially" cut down a rifle to make a pistol out of it.

It's different for shotguns, as they have to have a minimum 18" barrel, and an overall length not less than 26".
 

shittim

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I thought it used to be 16" , must have changed.
 

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Not a problem for me. I have zero desire to own one. Personally, I think they should be treated the same way that a kit to modify the sear from semi-auto to full auto should be.

During my active gunsmithing years (late '70 early 80's) auto-sear conversion kits were legal as well as the guns they fit into. It was up to the public not to assemble one without first getting an expensive permit. I thought that kind of silly, someone could skirt the law rather easily. :cool:
 

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They need to go back to single shot guns for the public. one shot at a time.. it is the semi and auto matics that kill people quickly and in large numbers in a matter of a few minutes. That is the real problem here.
 

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I will not blame the inanimate object, we are in the knee jerk reaction phase and must allow time for cooler heads to prevail.
Sandy hook parent failed to secure her weapons, nothing heard of her being charged. FBI and many others had warnings and failed to act. Looks like the anti's may be letting these events happen to promote a knee jerk response to disarm the citizens state by state, how handy these legislators just happened to have a bill just waiting for the latest created crisis.

In my state a kid threw a sparkler in a barrel of fire crackers in the 20's , burnt down three blocks, some deaths, legislature banned all fireworks but sparklers, we just got back very limited fireworks, it was another knee jerk reaction.

The shooting sports were a way and are a door to a kids heart mind and soul, when a little boy wants something his ears open up and he pays attention, we have so many boys without a strong male role model now are flipping out and the good citizens who are the only ones who will obey the laws are penalized. Only a liberal can think that is right.
Taking a kid shooting with a pellet rifle is a great way to begin to teach him his responsibility to himself, his family, community, nation, G-d.
That is where we have missed to mark, thank Heaven we have the opportunity to get this generation back for Christ and not as it is now and by default, the adversary.
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