Theological Theories

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DRobinson

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Best we spend our time studying and understanding the Scripture and not waste it on such foolishness.
What benefit is this foolishness to anyone?
When people do this it often leads to misunderstanding Scripture and much false belief and teaching.
Just my opinion.
 

tylerbones1313

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if the sins we commit now go back to be absorbed by christ can our prayers also permeate time
Firstly, the idea that "the sins we commit now go back to be absorbed by Christ" connects with the belief in Christ's timeless sacrifice. According to Christian doctrine, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross is sufficient for the redemption of all sins—past, present, and future. Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God." This suggests a theological interpretation that Christ's sacrifice transcends time, offering redemption for sins across all eras.

can we pray for the salvation for sombody that has already died?
Regarding the question of praying for someone who has already died, the Bible does not provide explicit instructions or examples of praying for the dead to affect their salvation posthumously. The scriptural emphasis is generally on the living making decisions for Christ. Hebrews 9:27 states, "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment," implying that after death, one's eternal fate is decided. However, interpretations vary, and some traditions within Christianity do practice prayers for the departed, hoping for their peace and rest.

I believe that the God adam and eve spoke to was yeshua, because he is the human form of God and it would make sense that he would be there to be familiar
The statement that "I believe that the God Adam and Eve spoke to was Yeshua, because he is the human form of God" is a thoughtful conjecture but not directly supported by biblical texts. The Bible does not explicitly state the physical manifestation of God who walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8). While Christians believe that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is God incarnate (John 1:14), his incarnation is understood to have occurred in the New Testament, born of the Virgin Mary. The Old Testament appearances of God, sometimes referred to as theophanies, are not explicitly identified as the pre-incarnate Christ, though some theologians have speculated on this possibility.

Also check out these threads:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/christian-monotheism-not-tritheism.214606/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ht-or-what-jesus-i-e-the-bible-taught.214622/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ion-of-judaism-and-early-christianity.214560/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...king-in-tongues-still-available-today.214253/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-12-in-operation-today-and-if-not-why.214294/
 

tylerbones1313

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#23
Anybody got a guess about what predators were supposed to be before the fall?

Scientists investigated the mosquito and discovered it was supposed to be a pollinator. But a genetic defect turned it into a blood sucker. If it had the genes God designed for it, it would be pollinating plants.

So that's explained...

Any guesses on what tigers were intended to be? Wolves? Hawks? What do you think they were designed to do before sin broke the world and they became predators?
vegetarians
 

Lynx

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#24
Best we spend our time studying and understanding the Scripture and not waste it on such foolishness.
What benefit is this foolishness to anyone?
When people do this it often leads to misunderstanding Scripture and much false belief and teaching.
Just my opinion.
Party pooper. :p

Nobody is preaching any of this as doctrine from the pulpit. It's fun to speculate, as long as you are aware that you could always be wrong about it.
 

notmyown

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Yeah but what purpose did they serve? Near as I can tell, God doesn't do anything for no reason. What did he originally design tigers to do?
what most cats should do. sit there quietly and look pretty :p
 

tylerbones1313

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Yeah but what purpose did they serve? Near as I can tell, God doesn't do anything for no reason. What did he originally design tigers to do?
In the original design of eternity, there was to be no shedding of blood.
 

RodB651

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#29
My theory is just that, a theory that I think about from time to time.

Where are the dinosaurs in the timeline?
I think they were here before Genesis chapter one.
Genesis one happened, aka new heaven new earth, then the rest of the story. We know they were here, but I have yet to see a credible explanation as to where they fit in the timeline.

Like I say, just a theory of mine.
 

DRobinson

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#30
Party pooper. :p

Nobody is preaching any of this as doctrine from the pulpit. It's fun to speculate, as long as you are aware that you could always be wrong about it.
You might be surprised how much is preached from pulpits that has no Scripture foundation.
I see some evidence of it even on forums.
 

Lynx

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what most cats should do. sit there quietly and look pretty :p
Quote from a video game involving a cat:

"My areas of expertise are sleeping, eating and being decorative. I cannot help you with this matter."
 

Lynx

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#32
You might be surprised how much is preached from pulpits that has no Scripture foundation.
I see some evidence of it even on forums.
While your statement is not technically wrong, it also has nothing to do with this thread.

What do YOU think Jesus wrote in the sand?
 

TheLearner

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#33
Firstly, the idea that "the sins we commit now go back to be absorbed by Christ" connects with the belief in Christ's timeless sacrifice. According to Christian doctrine, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross is sufficient for the redemption of all sins—past, present, and future. Hebrews 10:12 says, "But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God." This suggests a theological interpretation that Christ's sacrifice transcends time, offering redemption for sins across all eras.



Regarding the question of praying for someone who has already died, the Bible does not provide explicit instructions or examples of praying for the dead to affect their salvation posthumously. The scriptural emphasis is generally on the living making decisions for Christ. Hebrews 9:27 states, "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment," implying that after death, one's eternal fate is decided. However, interpretations vary, and some traditions within Christianity do practice prayers for the departed, hoping for their peace and rest.



The statement that "I believe that the God Adam and Eve spoke to was Yeshua, because he is the human form of God" is a thoughtful conjecture but not directly supported by biblical texts. The Bible does not explicitly state the physical manifestation of God who walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:8). While Christians believe that Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is God incarnate (John 1:14), his incarnation is understood to have occurred in the New Testament, born of the Virgin Mary. The Old Testament appearances of God, sometimes referred to as theophanies, are not explicitly identified as the pre-incarnate Christ, though some theologians have speculated on this possibility.

Also check out these threads:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/christian-monotheism-not-tritheism.214606/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ht-or-what-jesus-i-e-the-bible-taught.214622/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ion-of-judaism-and-early-christianity.214560/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...king-in-tongues-still-available-today.214253/
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-12-in-operation-today-and-if-not-why.214294/
God is not limited by time, he can apply a prayer after the death of someone before they died.
 

DRobinson

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While your statement is not technically wrong, it also has nothing to do with this thread.

What do YOU think Jesus wrote in the sand?
It is not revealed in Scripture so I don't waste my time speculating.
If we were to know it would have been revealed.
 

Lynx

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It is not revealed in Scripture so I don't waste my time speculating.
If we were to know it would have been revealed.
Okay, what do you think the bald eagle was originally designed for, before the fall turned it into a carnivore? What do you think God's plan for it was before sin wrecked the world?
 

TheLearner

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Because the Bible says in the garden of Eden all animals ate plants.
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In this biblical text God is explaining to the first man and woman, and through them all humanity, the authority and responsibility he is giving them. God puts humanity in charge of managing all of Earth’s resources for their own benefit and for the benefit of the rest of Earth’s life. Much amplification of this authority and responsibility is given in the book of Job. In Genesis 1:30 God commands humans to pay special attention to taking good care of the green vegetation (photosynthetic life). Green vegetation is the base of the entire food chain. Without green vegetation, nobody gets to eat. The more green vegetation there is and the more diverse it is, the better off will be all of Earth’s life.

This biblical text, therefore, is not saying that all animals were herbivores before Adam and Eve’s fall into sin. Herbivores need specially designed carnivores in order to keep their death rate and disease at low levels. Many field experiments affirm the devastation to herbivores that occurs when these herbivores lack carnivores. "
https://reasons.org/explore/publica...nesis-assert-that-all-animals-were-herbivores

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