Come on guys, this slinging off at each other is just all too childish, and grieving to witness. Please, stop this, you are all too precious to have your reputations demeaned, and more importantly, Jesus' honour demeaned. We are all supposed to be His ambassadors, representing Him, and our behaviour ought imitate His at all times. I hope a moderator can step in and call a halt to the insults flying to and fro, and indeed, delete this whole thread. You are more than this!