Wesley Clarke on 9-11, today's Middle East.

Wesley Clarke on 9-11, today's Middle East. 2 minutes 19 seconds

Gen Clark

YouTube - ‪Gen Clark‬‏

I'm going to have to say that I don't think we invaded Iraq because of some secret plan to take over the Middle East. Everything I've heard from soldiers has been support for the war. All this stuff on 911 being a conspiracy and we went into Iraq for the oil is just.......Iraq was providing support to the terrorists, and we couldn't just let it go. Anyways, I better stop there.

Have you ever watched the documentary Obsession?

hi selenah.
i see you were only about 6 years old when 9-11 happened.
i was over 40.

i watched it live.

- we didn't go to the Middle East for the oil.
- there are no 'terrorists'.
- the' war' is on you and me.

9-11 background: YouTube - ‪911 Loose Change (full-length)‬‏

the playbook: Project for the New American Century - SourceWatch

the reason: Talmudic Greater Israel

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i recommend this short book: here's a free online copy.

George Orwell - 1984

orwell was among them, and defected at the end of his life and wrote about 'the plan'.

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this is what 9-11 was : False flag

False flag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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if you are aware of the sequence of events in the recent and ongoing "Arab Spring", you just heard Gen Clarke say it was planned from the beginning.

read PNAC's own documents - they said it was going down exactly like this.

you may choose to deny the truth, and many do: but be very careful not support all this killing if you think it's in the name of God.

here's the actual Communist Manifesto:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm

this is soon to be your country (and mine).

Zone, yes, I was only 6, but I remember very clearly watching 911 live also. I have seen many many documentaries, read articles, and other things about 911, the war, and everything. I remember alot about it.

But yeah hehe your argument still beats mine.

Buuut I do want to know, what's your definition of a 'terrorist' since you say they don't exist?

oh they 'exist' alright....but they are not who you have been told they are.


here's a big one:

Adam Yahiye Gadahn

Adam Yahiye Gadahn (Arabic: آدم يحيى غدن‎, Ādam Yaḥyā Ghadan; born Adam Pearlman, September 1, 1978) is an American senior operative, cultural interpreter, spokesman[2] and media advisor[3] for the Sunni islamist group Al-Qaeda. Since 2004, he appeared in a number of videos produced by Al-Qaeda as "Azzam the American" ('Azzām al-Amrīki, عزام الأمريكي, sometimes transcribed as Ezzam Al-Amerikee). Gadahn converted to Sunni Islam in 1995, at the age of 17, at a California mosque and is described as a "homegrown", meaning that he has converted to an ideology so firmly that he is now willing to harm his country of origin.[2] He is believed to have inspired the 2007 Osama bin Laden video.[3]

In 2004, he was added to the FBI Seeking Information – War on Terrorism list.[4] On October 11, 2006 he was removed from that list, and placed on the Bureau of Diplomatic Security Rewards for Justice Program list of wanted criminals.[5] On the same day, Gadahn was indicted based on the testimony of the FBI case agent E.J. Hilbert II, in the Southern Division of the United States District Court for the Central District of California by a federal grand jury for the capital crime of treason for aiding an enemy of the United States (i.e. Al-Qaeda). Gadahn is the first American charged with treason since Tomoya Kawakita in 1952.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn


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well? is adam a terrorist?


Mossad Agent Pearlman Releases Phony "Al-Qaeda Tape"

While President Bush authorizes the CIA to bankroll and arm the real Al-Qaeda in Iran



Adam Pearlman, the Jewish Mossad agent who once wrote stinging essays condemning Muslims as "bloodthirsty terrorists", has once again popped up as an "Al-Qaeda spokesman" to frighten the dwindling number of Americans who still believe Al-Qaeda exists outside of U.S. intelligence circles.

Who is the mysterious Adam Yehiye Gadahn?

Zone, I wouldn't get my information from Alex Jones. From what I've seen in the past, he's a support of the Zeitgeist films, and isn't the most pro-Christianity....

Also, part one of the Zeitgeist films is a killer for many uninformed.

hi jimmy.
this information is available anywhere.
i'd rather not make this about alex jones if possible, i'm not holding him up as 'Christian' source of truth (doesn't matter to me what he is or isn't).

it's the truth of 9-11 and what's going down today i'm interested in.

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what about this guy - Abu Musab Al Zarqawi?

Who is behind "Al Qaeda in Iraq"? Pentagon acknowledges fabricating a "Zarqawi Legend"

by Michel Chossudovsky

Related article: Fabricating an Enemy: "Al Qaeda in Iraq". Who is Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi?: - by Michel Chossudovsky - 2005-09-30


Abu Musab Al Zarqawi has been presented both by the Bush administration and the Western media as the mastermind behind the "insurgency" in Iraq, allegedly responsible for the massacres of Iraqi civilians.

Zarqawi is the outside enemy of America. The Bush administration in official statements, including presidential speeches, national security documents, etc. has repeatedly pointed to the need to "go after" Abu Musab Al Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060418&articleId=2275

So you're saying there are real terrorists and then there are fake terrorist. Okay. What's YOUR definition of a real terrorist and a fake terrorist?

Zone: Some things never change dear:
Snakes still crawl on their bellies in the land of the Garden of Eden

wiki
definition of terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism

false flag terrorism
False Flag Operations

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Zone, I'm gunna have to call you out on this guilt-by-association that conspiracy theories always approach from.

Alex Jones who is the originator of much of this stuff, constantly lamblasts biblical Christianity. He also endorsed the Zeitgeist films which also attacked Christianity. Will you atleast publically recognize that?

EDIT:
I'm going to compose my own conspiracy theory.


The 9/11 truther movement is constructed by the shadow-shadow government, to keep you busy with the shadow government.

Also, as always with conspiracy theories. Abscense of evidence equates to evidence of a cover-up.

hi jimmy.
call me out on what exactly?
who am i making guilty by association with whom?

9-11 was a false flag event. i've never quite heard the theory that alex jones was personally involved in that event so i don't know what you mean about hm being the originator of much of this stuff.

as i mentioned, i'm not a truther/birther/alex jones fan clubber....none of those things.

i research, read, listen and watch all things (history/politics/economics/religions..etc) using sources from all ages, people, backgrounds, belief systems...

i started my studies and travels and research at about 18 yrs of age. i don't think i'd heard of alex jones until sometime around 2005. i don't know what his religion is, nor do i care. i don't look to him as a christian who is guiding me through world events by the lens of scripture. i don't look to him at all. if they publish stories that i already know about, i check their sourses also.

if they publish stories i don't know about, i either search for myself, or wait to see if the story materializes in some other form.

i believe i watched the Zeitgeist film years ago, found it entirely comical and got bored, so i'm not sure what the problem or connection is there.

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jimmy, historians themselves agree that there are only two approaches to the study of history and they are, simply put, known as the Accidental View of History vs the Conspiratorial View of History.

one says life happens randomly as a series of events and reactions (this is the model the soviet-style systems try to impress under their rule...this is why they bury/destroy local histories....this is also the basis for Darwin's theories, which is social marxism in action)

the other simply says that life unfolds as a result of the direct and deliberate planning of a few over the many (the few keeping the bigger pictre from the many).

this is of course is not a Christian worldview: but that was not the focus of this thread.

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i wonder what you may think I think: what would my "agenda" be for discussing these things?

what am i suggesting that is lacking in evidence?

zone.

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Coordinated bombings kill at least 21, wound 113 in terror attack on India's financial capital

By Muneeza Naqvi,Rajesh Shah, The Associated Press | The Canadian Press – 2 minutes 42 seconds ago

MUMBAI, India - Three co-ordinated bombings tore through the heart of India's busy financial capital during rush hour Wednesday, killing 21 people in the worst terror attack in the country since the 2008 Mumbai siege. The attacks came just months after peace talks resumed between India and Pakistan, which New Delhi has blamed for past attacks.

Blood-covered bodies lay on Mumbai streets and people hugged and wept. Others carried the wounded to taxis. Crowds gathered in the blast areas as police questioned witnesses, and bomb squads inspected the undercarriages of vehicles searching for clues and other explosives.
Motorcycles were charred, shopfronts shattered and a bus stop ripped apart. Bleeding victims crowded into the back of a cargo truck to be taken to a hospital.

The first blast struck the Jhaveri Bazaar at 6.54 p.m., tearing through the famed jewelry market. A minute later, a blast hit the busy business district of Opera House, several miles (kilometres) away in southern Mumbai. At 7:05 p.m., the third bomb exploded in the crowded neighbourhood of Dadar in central Mumbai, according to police.

Because of the close timing of the blasts, "we infer that this was a co-ordinated attack by terrorists," Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram said, adding that Mumbai was put on high alert.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh condemned the blasts and appealed to the people of Mumbai "to remain calm and show a united face."

Indian officials refused to speculate on who might be behind the blasts. Past attacks have been blamed on Pakistan-based militants, and Indian officials have accused Pakistan's powerful spy agency of helping co-ordinate and fund some of those strikes, including the Mumbai siege.
Pakistan's government expressed distress on the loss of lives and injuries soon after Wednesday's blasts were reported.

A U.S. official says there are no claims of responsibility, or firm indication of which terrorist group might be behind the attack yet. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

U.S. President Barack Obama also condemned the "outrageous attacks."
"The American people will stand with the Indian people in times of trial, and we will offer support to India's efforts to bring the perpetrators of these terrible crimes to justice," he said in a statement. "I have no doubt that the India will overcome these deplorable terrorist attacks."

At the site of the first bombing, Jhaveri Bazaar, a witness described two motorcycles exploding in flames and saw at least six bodies.

"People were shouting 'Help me, help me,'" the man told Headlines Today television.
Another witness showed cellphone video of several bodies sprawled across the street to the NDTV news station.

Prithviraj Chavan, the top official in the state of Maharashtra, where Mumbai is located, said the blasts killed 21 people and wounded 113 others.

"India is not going to cow down," Cabinet minister Farooq Abdullah said. "Let those perpetrators of this terror remember, we will find them and Inshallah (God willing) we will give them the justice that India believes in."

The blasts marked the first major attack on Mumbai since 10 militants laid siege to India's financial capital for 60 hours in November 2008.

That attack, which targeted two luxury hotels, a Jewish centre and a busy train station, killed 166 people and escalated tensions between India and Pakistan. Peace talks were suspended and resumed only recently.

Some media incorrectly reported the blasts happened on the birthday of Ajmal Kasab, the only surviving gunmen from the 2008 Mumbai attacks. Kasab, who was sentenced to death in Mumbai, was born on Sept. 13.

The city has been on edge since the 2008 attack. In December, authorities deployed extra police on city streets after receiving intelligence that a Pakistan-based militant group was planning an attack over New Year's weekend. Police conducted house-to-house searches in some neighbourhoods for four men who authorities believe entered the city to carry out a terrorist attack, and computer-aided photographs of the four suspects were released.

In March 2010, Mumbai police said they prevented a major terrorist strike after they arrested two Indian men, who, police said, were preparing to hit several targets in the city. In September, police issued a terror alert for the city during a popular Hindu festival.
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Naqvi reported from New Delhi. Associated Press writers Ravi Nessman in New Delhi and Kimberly Dozier in Washington contributed to this report.

Coordinated bombings kill at least 21, wound 113 in terror attack on India's financial capital - Yahoo! News

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check the PNAC papers.....right on schedule. this will be blamed on PAKISTAN.
zone