First of all, I made this thread in homosexuality's defense. While it is another thread about it, I agree and accept responsibility as some of the community making it out to be more than it has to be. I still think that this thread is the first to question how much they are being condemned, so, it's a
different one. I didn't wake up one day and say "Oh, I'm going to make another homosexuality thread." - I actually felt lead to make a purposeful one addressing evident things.
Second of all, I agree with Ugly. I do not agree with gay marriage, but even if I were not a Christian I would not agree with gay marriage. Not because I want them to have less rights, but it's more to do with the psychological order of a child's mind. Marriage would enable gay couples to adopt children, and I just feel that they would grow up with so much teasing and confusion. There is also the side of things where marriage is a Christian concept, and it just kind of seems weird that they should want to take part in a ritual formed on the basis of religion, which oppresses them. It's like a Jew trying to become a Nazi. Now the part where I agree with Ugly is that
I cannot have this opinion without being
labelled and called a homophobe and someone that hates homosexuals. That does answer a lot of my question, because it's not only a rising dilemma for Christians but also for non-Christians as well.
There are two primary places in the New Testament where homosexuality is a
condemned practice.
(1 Cor. 6:9–10).
Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God
AND
(1 Tim. 1:9–10).
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers
and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
Yes, I've read that plenty of times. I don't know why people cannot get past the law with Christianity. Let's face it, these verses are singling out the sinners, and are Paul's attempt to single everything out. You will see him doing this through every single letter he writes. You are still occupied with the flesh, if you had read through everything else he writes in Romans you would understand that when you accept Christ, your sin is crucified with Him.
Read through Romans 1, every last bit of it. You will find that Paul
even mentions gay women in his testimony. Then go to Romans 2, the
very first line of Romans 2
then goes on to say;
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. (Romans 2:1)
Your verses are taught and are referring to acts according to the flesh. If you live by the flesh you will be judged by the flesh. You have to get out of this frame of mind that everything Paul mentions not to do, that he is automatically referring to the loss of salvation. In the same line that he says homosexuality, he says
liars. You know what? I probably lie in different and subtle ways without even realizing it each day. I'm a liar. Slanderers - do you gossip? I gossip all the time.
It talks about murderers - Have you hated someone? You've committed murder in your heart.
Adultery - Have you looked at another woman and 'checked her out'? You committed adultery/fornication in your heart.
Idolatry - Have you ever had money and had even the slightest desire for more, or enjoyed something more than you enjoy God? Guess what! You committed idolatry!
Unforgiveness builds up in my heart and I begin to talk bad about that person. About a month ago my mum died, and in that same bracket my dad told me to kill myself - I was heartbroken. I am still angry and I slander against him because of it. What? Is Jesus going to see
that over the fact that I am at His knees accepting that I am a sinner and cannot do this by myself over the fact that - oops, I sinned again. Slanderers will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Sorry Joey - I know you wanted a relationship with me... but you slandered after you were saved. Sorry bud, off you go.
NO. Paul was talking about the unrighteous. He was saying that the law was not made for the righteous. But we are all unrighteous! What then, does that mean that the law was made for us all? God forbid!
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
(Romans 5:19)
Get the Law out of your head and accept grace. For as by Adam's sin, many were made sinners (including homosexuals, including you and I) by one man having no sin many shall be made righteous (including homosexuals, including you and I).
Read
Galatians 2:20.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
God will work with anyone, whether it be a liar and slanderer like me, or a homosexual. Stop exclusively singling out grace and salvation to yourself by taking what Paul said out of context when you cannot even fulfill your own conditions. The gift of righteousness is not something that you earned, therefore it is not something that you can un-earn.
You are made righteous by faith, no matter
who you are.
