Why are orgies and fornication evil?

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Brandon777

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I understand that American culture says orgies are wrong and Christians hold that both are wrong, but why. I never understood that. Really. I mean I can come up with reasons in my head, but my heart says that it should still be right. I realize, through the Bible that my heart is desperately wicked above all things, so that's not supprising.
 
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angelos

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becauuuuse it's a perversion of what should be where a man and a woman hold fast to each other and become one flesh as is mentioned in the scriptures (Genesis 1) Also God sets the moral standard not humanity.
 
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Strong1

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Wow! Are you seriously asking this question?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Sounds to me like Jeremiah 17:9 applies here.
 

niceguyJ

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Really?
Because God says so. That's enough reason for me.
 
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I understand that American culture says orgies are wrong and Christians hold that both are wrong, but why. I never understood that. Really. I mean I can come up with reasons in my head, but my heart says that it should still be right. I realize, through the Bible that my heart is desperately wicked above all things, so that's not supprising.
When Jesus says not to do something, there is a reason for it, even if we don’t yet understand the reason. He understands the consequences of fornication.

I’ll tell you this: If there is a lady that you love, the last thing you want her to do is fornicate with another man.
 
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Brandon777

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becauuuuse it's a perversion of what should be where a man and a woman hold fast to each other and become one flesh as is mentioned in the scriptures (Genesis 1) Also God sets the moral standard not humanity.
So you're saying, because God said so right? I'm looking for why He said so. Or if you just have your own reason why it would be wrong.
Wow! Are you seriously asking this question?
Yes I'm seriously asking this question. Why shouldn't I want to gain understanding, enlightenment or edification from a fellow Christian? Just because a culture says something is or is not wrong does not make it right or wrong. People are wrong about morals all the time; this includes entire cultures. Anyway I already believe it's wrong because that's what the Bible says I just want to know if anyone can give me reasons other than "because God said so."

When Jesus says not to do something, there is a reason for it, even if we don’t yet understand the reason. He understands the consequences of fornication.
I agree. I just want some logical arguments to go with it.
I’ll tell you this: If there is a lady that you love, the last thing you want her to do is fornicate with another man.
I might be guilty of making this difficult on you but, fornication is becoming popular among some parts of the US among couples. And plus if I did have a problem with that what would you say for a guy that's single?
 
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angelos

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So you're saying, because God said so right? I'm looking for why He said so. Or if you just have your own reason why it would be wrong.
Yes I'm seriously asking this question. Why shouldn't I want to gain understanding, enlightenment or edification from a fellow Christian? Just because a culture says something is or is not wrong does not make it right or wrong. People are wrong about morals all the time; this includes entire cultures. Anyway I already believe it's wrong because that's what the Bible says I just want to know if anyone can give me reasons other than "because God said so."

I might be guilty of making this difficult on you but, fornication is becoming popular among some parts of the US among couples. And plus if I did have a problem with that what would you say for a guy that's single?
because the potter has the right over the clay :) ( Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? roman 9:21 ) so he who formed us as the rights over us as we are the creation.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Brandon777 said:
Anyway I already believe it's wrong because that's what the Bible says I just want to know if anyone can give me reasons other than "because God said so."



Beyond this point, what does it matter? I recall Job asking a similar question.

As far as orgies, God intends marriage to be one man and one woman, "for this reason they will cling to each other, and be one flesh", get's a bit harder to cling to mutliple people and be one flesh, while maintaining biblical marraige, don't you think.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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So you're saying, because God said so right? I'm looking for why He said so. Or if you just have your own reason why it would be wrong.
Yes I'm seriously asking this question. Why shouldn't I want to gain understanding, enlightenment or edification from a fellow Christian? Just because a culture says something is or is not wrong does not make it right or wrong. People are wrong about morals all the time; this includes entire cultures. Anyway I already believe it's wrong because that's what the Bible says I just want to know if anyone can give me reasons other than "because God said so."

I might be guilty of making this difficult on you but, fornication is becoming popular among some parts of the US among couples. And plus if I did have a problem with that what would you say for a guy that's single?
My 19-month old likes to turn the knobs on the stove. We have a gas stove, so if I let him do that, he could flood the house with gas and kill us all in the explosion. I am quite certain he doesn't understand that. He just think it's neat. And when he does it, and I say, "No!" and smack his hand, all he knows is, "Mom is mean, she won't let me do fun stuff."

I would venture a guess that, when compared to God, our knowledge and understanding is even less than that of a 19-month-old as compared to an adult. I don't know why God said so. And yes, that can be frustrating. I always hated it when, after my dad told me to do something, and I asked, "Why?" he would say, "Because I said so." But sometimes that's the best answer you can get. Just do it, and maybe then you'll figure out why. Or maybe not. If you trust your Father in Heaven, just do what He says.

There are some things in the Bible that some people interpret as wrong and other people say is misinterpreted. Divorce is a good example. In those cases, I say we should do what is most loving. If a person wants a divorce because he or she is in a destructive and/or abusive (non-Christian) relationship, they should be able to get out of that situation. Because that's the loving thing to do, and God is love. IMHO, "God is Love" trumps anything else you might read.

But WRT orgies. Seriously. Is that loving? Is there any case you can imagine in which engaging in an orgy helps someone (other than personal self-gratification)? I cannot.
 
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Brandon777

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Good enough for me.
 
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dmdave17

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I might be guilty of making this difficult on you but, fornication is becoming popular among some parts of the US among couples. And plus if I did have a problem with that what would you say for a guy that's single?
I would say that both the couple and the guy are doomed to spend eternity in Hell (see lake of fire). Sexual immorality and adultery are two of the most recurring themes in Scripture, and in 100% of the places they are mentioned they are portrayed as evil and dangerous.

Why? Let's examine some of the consequences of indiscriminate fornication. First, there are std's, culminating in herpes. If and when you ever do meet "the right one", how would you like to teller her that you have an incurable disease that can only come from having had relations with someone else. Even worse, how about if you were already married?

Then there is aids. How would you like to catch h i v from a casual sex partner? Again, what would you tell your wife? Finally, there is the emotional destruction that often accompanies illicit sex. In the worst case scenario, an angry, hurting partner "blows away" their cheating partner (and, maybe, kids) then turns the gun on themselves. (If society is lucky.)

The reason God forbids fornication is that He knows us all too well. He knows that our sinful human nature will succumb to the desires of the flesh all too readily, and He knows the consequences. When God set down His Law, the rules to live by, He knew what He was doing.
 
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nanabean

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Brandon777.....I think this thread is about done since you got an answer you felt helped you understand, or made you more comfortable with the answer "because God said so"....but I'd just like to put in my two cents worth anyways.

Think about STDs, respect and love. When you "sleep with" someone, you are sleeping with everyone they have slept with and they are sleeping with everyone you have slept with.....all the possiblities of STDs there are, is defintly a reason for this type of behavior to be wrong in and of itself. Respect and love for a partner, and for yourself as well, should be reason enough not to act in this way either. Valuing your own future and that of any girl you would consider sleeping with, would be a reason to consider this behavior wrong. And that's probably just some of the reasons "God said so"!!!

Oh!! and as for "fornication is becoming popular among some parts of the US among couples. And plus if I did have a problem with that what would you say for a guy that's single?"....... if someone jumped off a bridge would you do it too?? just cuz they did??....haha seriously though, for you as a single guy......I'd say wait for marriage. God Bless.
 
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Kathleen

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I realise that this thread is maybe already finished..but i read in another thread about sexual immorality that i thought was good.

When you get married, you want to give your WHOLE beeing to your wife.
When you have sex with someone else, your like two peices of cardboard stuck together with glue. When you tear the two apart, they will never be the same again, bits of each cardboard will be stuck to the other ect.
Your arnt pure for your partner, you havent given her the whole you.

I 100% agree with nanabean. :)
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