Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles?

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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

What does 1 John 4 speak of, doesn't it tell us how to tell if a spirit is good or bad, sarasara, and what we are to do IF the spirit is bad ? :)

This is speaking of a believer being possessed by a bad spirit?
Sorry GreeNnice,

John is speaking of a FALSE PROPHET NOT a believer

1 John

4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
 
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It is a fact that some Christian people resemble the biblical character Jezabel (in their behavior), and some people want to call attention to it, so it can be resisted. Jezabel was not a Christian in any sense of the term. Yet some of the Christian's who use this term claim to see this spirit within the Church.

If God gives people over to their enemies (either physical or spiritual) when they refuse to live in Love (patience and kindness) does this then suggest to you (as it does to me) that God has given over (to their enemies), that segment of Christianity in which this spirit is present? That means that if a Christian has the Spirit of Jezabel it is because they are being discipline by God.

Understand that what I am saying is that this Spirit is in the Pentecostal denominations because they have in essence refused to Love (be patient and kind towards others). For this reason they have been given over to their enemies.

Those people trying to combat this are trying to bring it to the attention of those who are effected by this so-called Jezabel Spirit. If you look into their literature you will of course find that John Paul Jackson and Francis Frangipane are godly men. Demeaning them publically is not a good idea. So people don't agree on Doctrine, nothing about this is new - there must be differences among you so that it becomes apparent who has God's approval, 1 Cor 11:19.

1Co 11:19 (ASV) For there must be also factions among you, that they that are approved may be made manifest among you.

Now if the Bible teaches us to pray for each other and bear one another's burdens in order to comply with the Law of Christ. Shouldn't we pray for these misguided people/denominations?

Most people who have been given over to ungodly spirits etc. do not recognize it as judgement. But it is, because if a persons ways please God He can make even their enemies to be at peace with that person, Pr 16:7.

Pr 16:7 When a man's ways please Jehovah, He maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
(ASV)

Respectfully - Brian
I think you have missed the point. Satan saw how effective Jezebel was is doing evil. One note from her, to a prophet of God who just called down fire from Heaven on a soaking wet sacrifice and he is running for his life. So Satan selected some of his minions and models them after this Jezebel to fight against God and His people. I believe it is just that simple.
 
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Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...c-pentecostal-wof-circles-15.html#post1124759

Folks having a calm discussion over coffee don't tend to call each other narcissist.
So yes, I'm trying to diffuse and deescalate.

This has gone from a discussion on the intended topic to a he said she said, over who said what in another thread, reaching the point someone accuses another of being a narcissist.
I think it's interesting how when people are badgered and insulted until they finally insult back, they're the one's that are blamed, not the instigators. I especially and regularly see that on this site.
 
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I think it's interesting how when people are badgered and insulted until they finally insult back, they're the one's that are blamed, not the instigators. I especially and regularly see that on this site.
UMM Sorry Shiloah I have seen it done on both sides,and that still bodes the question does that justify one meeting an insult with an insult?
 
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ok so i haven't even come close to reading this entire thread...and at sixteen pages i don't think anyone will blame me for that...

but i want to try answering the title question...

why is the 'jezebel spirit' concept mostly in charismatic and pentecostal and word of faith circles?
because the concept of a jezebel spirit was -invented- in a charismatic pentecostal word of faith circle...

simple :)
 
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danschance

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Re: Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

ok so i haven't even come close to reading this entire thread...and at sixteen pages i don't think anyone will blame me for that...

but i want to try answering the title question...

why is the 'jezebel spirit' concept mostly in charismatic and pentecostal and word of faith circles?
because the concept of a jezebel spirit was -invented- in a charismatic pentecostal word of faith circle...

simple :)
Can you produce a link that agrees with your statement?
 
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danschance

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UMM Sorry Shiloah I have seen it done on both sides,and that still bodes the question does that justify one meeting an insult with an insult?
No matter which side is doing it, it's still wrong.
 
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11 months in the womb....*shiver*
all to make the "prophecy" come to pass to-the-day.

all these guys claim to get reg'lar visits from angels.
some ride cool vehicles to heaven.
they say they have personal convos with God Who, oddly, speaks this hip and funny lingo to them.

you know?

you have GOT to go here:rolleyes: and click play on this video:


New Warpaths are Forming in the Earth

Prophecy given on: June 02, 2013 in Corinth, TX by Anne Tate, Chuck Pierce, LeAnn Squier, Deborah DeGar, Shara Collins, Janice Swinney

Glory of Zion International Ministries, Inc. < click

takes a second or 2 to load.
the text is below, but the video is awesome.
if you have any idea what they're saying, let me know.
What a pathetic disaster. And these are some of our modern day "prophets" ? I have more respect for those who believe that professional wrestling in Mexico is authentic than I do for ANY proponent of this type of abomination against God's Holy Spirit. There's no way. It CAN'T be possible that some actually believe that this bogus TRASH is of our Lord. Simply remarkable is all I can say.

***Not only couldn't I tell you what they were saying. They couldn't either.***
 
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Life isn't fair Frank. Sometimes life just isn't fair :cool:
 

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Life isn't fair Frank. Sometimes life just isn't fair :cool:
Saves time Frank:cool:
 
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Re: Why is the &quot;Jezebel spirit&quot; concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circl

What does 1 John 4 speak of, doesn't it tell us how to tell if a spirit is good or bad, sarasara, and what we are to do IF the spirit is bad ? :)

This is speaking of a believer being possessed by a bad spirit?
Sorry GreeNnice,

John is speaking of a FALSE PROPHET NOT a believer

1 John

4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Nooooooo, sarasara. :)

John is speaking to believers, they are to test the spirits and 'spirits' in this case, equals 'false prophet.' A false prophet CAN have a demon spirit in them. AND, if they do, we are callled, by HIS power, to rebuke that spirit IF they do not acknowledge Jesus is the Son of God :)
 
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Nooooooo, sarasara. :)

John is speaking to believers, they are to test the spirits and 'spirits' in this case, equals 'false prophet.' A false prophet CAN have a demon spirit in them. AND, if they do, we are callled, by HIS power, to rebuke that spirit IF they do not acknowledge Jesus is the Son of God :)
UMMM The original question was about a BELIEVER BEING possessed by a demon. A false prophet is an UNBELIEVER.

Where in that passage does John tell us to rebuke a demon? John tells us to test so that we can recognize the Spirit of God. John then tells us we have ALREADY overcome them because the ONE WHO IS IN US IS GREATER then he who is in the world. He then goes on to say the world will listen to them because they are of the world,but not once in that passage are we told to rebuke a demon.
 
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Once I realized I had a demonic issue I then had another problem of who would believe me. I quickly assumed no protestant church would believe me or be equipped to help me. So the first place I went, was a Catholic Church, thanks to movies like "The Exorcist".

I think, long before I said a single word, your mind was already made up. I doubt that I can't convince you of anything. It is OK to be skeptical. I myself am 50% skeptical on a new topic and at the same time, 50% believer. However, no matter how skeptical you are, the truth will always remain to be the truth, even if no one believes it.

I am not shy about telling my story, but all to often I am falsely accused of seeking attention, being deceptive or delusional. I assume it is because people have their minds made up. I only tell my story in hopes of helping one out of a thousand who might desperately need it, like I did.
Dan,

Before you think that I no idea what you are talking perhaps I should fill you in on a bit. In my family there were a number of Masons,witches and pagans. I am also the first born. When I was five my uncle who happens to be a pagan took me for trick or treating on Halloween. (Needless to say it did not turn out that way the trick on was on me) Remember one of the ways they say demons can be passed is through sex. Out of a somewhat large family I know of only three who I can say for a fact were Christian. (My great Aunt,my mom and myself) Which by the way it's odd but all three of are the first born.

I believed for a long time I was struggling with having a demon. A number of things in life did get cleaned up but a number of things didn't because I believed it. It wasn't till the Lord took me through John chapter 8

31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence,and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]

One of Satan's greatest lies to us is get Christians to CONTINUE to believe we are STILL in bondage. Jesus plainly tells us if the Son sets us free one will be free,not a partial freedom but a COMPLETE freedom. No where does Jesus tell us we need to continue to jump through all kinds of hoops,rituals,some words or whatever else we can come up with. When we are born again we are freed from ALL of it. We just to believe that and stand on His word.
 
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Dan,

Taking it one step further,when one says that a Christian can be possessed taken to it's conclusion one is saying a Christian can be of both the kingdom of light and also the kingdom darkness at the very same time. NO WHERE in the Bible does it ever say we can be both,we are either of the of the light or of darkness but never both.

The bible does say we will have to overcome temptations,Satan's lies,the world and our own flesh but not once can you find we can be part of two kingdoms at the same time. We are either of one or the other not both at the same time.
 
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in the books of king queen jezebel
Ahab Becomes King of Israel
  29In the thirty-eighth year of Asa king of Judah, Ahab son of Omri became king of Israel, and he reigned in Samaria over Israel twenty-two years. 30Ahab son of Omri did more evil in the eyes of the LORD than any of those before him. 31He not only considered it trivial to commit the sins of Jeroboam son of Nebat, but he also married Jezebel daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and began to serve Baal and worship him. 32He set up an altar for Baal in the temple of Baal that he built in Samaria. 33Ahab also made an Asherah pole and did more to arouse the anger of the LORD, the God of Israel, than did all the kings of Israel before him. 34In Ahab’s time, Hiel of Bethel rebuilt Jericho. He laid its foundations at the cost of his firstborn son Abiram, and he set up its gates at the cost of his youngest son Segub, in accordance with the word of the LORD spoken by Joshua son of Nun. 1
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1. began to serve baal and worship him.
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He set up an altar for Baal in the temple of Baal that he built in Samaria.
3.Ahab also made an Asherah pole and did more to arouse the anger of the LORD, the God of Israel, than did all the kings before him.
40Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.
1Now Ahab told Jezebel everything Elijah had done and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword. 2So Jezebel sent a messenger to Elijah to say, "May the gods deal with me, be it ever so severely, if by this time tomorrow I do not make your life like that of one of them."
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May the gods deal with me,(gods , when there is only one god.)
 
Naboth’s Vineyard
7Jezebel his wife said, "Is this how you act as king over Israel? Get up and eat! Cheer up. I’ll get you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite." 8So she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, placed his seal on them, and sent them to the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city with him. 9In those letters she wrote:
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1.I’ll get you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite." (STRANGE WAY. DEATH BY LIAR) , when she could have got the two scoundrels to give him a kicking, and tell him to give the field to ahab.
2.So she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, placed his seal on them,(it was not her, name, or her seal)
3.and sent them to the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city.(sent to people of standing , the point is towards the jewish law, ware death sentence could be given) so that the crime would not have been done with her/or there, hand or hands.
 
11So the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city did as Jezebel directed in the letters she had written to them. 12They proclaimed a fast and seated Naboth in a prominent place among the people. 13Then two scoundrels came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying, "Naboth has cursed both God and the king." So they took him outside the city and stoned him to death. 14Then they sent word to Jezebel: "Naboth has been stoned to death."
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1.So the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city did as Jezebel directed in the letters she had written to them.(THE NAME ON THE LETTER DID NOT HAVE HER NAME OR SEAL.) yet, the elder and nobles were still willing to kill an inocent man.(IN AHABS NAME).
but in my huble opinion, it was more likly give to be one,or two noble man or elder, given the sting needed two scoundrels then, the rest would fall in to place. when all the people heard the charge.
2.two scoundrels came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying, "Naboth has cursed both God and the king.
3.the charge.Naboth has cursed both God and the king.
15As soon as Jezebel heard that Naboth had been stoned to death, she said to Ahab, "Get up and take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite that he refused to sell you. He is no longer alive, but dead." 16When Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, he got up and went down to take possession of Naboth’s vineyard.
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1.He is no longer alive, but dead."(if ahab knew, what was wrote in the letters, he would have already knew that he was dead.)
17Then the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite: 18"Go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, who rules in Samaria. He is now in Naboth’s vineyard, where he has gone to take possession of it. 19Say to him, ‘This is what the LORD says: Have you not murdered a man and seized his property?’ Then say to him, ‘This is what the LORD says: In the place where dogs licked up Naboth’s blood, dogs will lick up your blood—yes, yours!’ " 20Ahab said to Elijah, "So you have found me, my enemy!"
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1. Then the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite: 18"Go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, who rules in Samaria. He is now in Naboth’s vineyard, where he has gone to take possession of it. (god sent elijah to ahab, not to jezebel.)
2.Ahab said to Elijah, "So you have found me, my enemy!"
 
conclution. my enemy!"
the jezebel spirt is a human either sex. (that will use anyones power to act against the human or humans. church,police,politic, friends.etc) power or authority, lies , poisen, letters, phone calls etc to an other human/humans, name or creed or deeds. so that other may also look apon that other human/humans with contempt. ALL IN THE NAME OF MY ENEMY, SO EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE YOUR ENEMY.
 
 
 
 
 
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I think it's interesting how when people are badgered and insulted until they finally insult back, they're the one's that are blamed, not the instigators. I especially and regularly see that on this site.
But did you know it's only a certain handful that does it? A small number that makes it look like the whole forum's doing it.
 
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ok so i haven't even come close to reading this entire thread...and at sixteen pages i don't think anyone will blame me for that...

but i want to try answering the title question...

why is the 'jezebel spirit' concept mostly in charismatic and pentecostal and word of faith circles?
because the concept of a jezebel spirit was -invented- in a charismatic pentecostal word of faith circle...

simple :)
I agree with you. I think they discovered a real problem in their ranks & tried to put a biblical name on it. In the medical field, it's called narcissism. And yes, it's documented in the medical community & it's real. Jezebel was a true narcissist, but she was way more than that, thus the misnomer.
 
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UMM Sorry Shiloah I have seen it done on both sides,and that still bodes the question does that justify one meeting an insult with an insult?
But the oddest thing about this is that I've only seen the person goaded too death who finally answers back angrily as the only one corrected. I've seen this numerous times over. What about the goader? Then you're surprised when people finally tear into that goader?
 
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But did you know it's only a certain handful that does it? A small number that makes it look like the whole forum's doing it.
Oh goodness yes, Stephen63. They stand out like sore thumbs. And the attitudes exhibited are what reveals the spirit behind them. Doctrinal differences are one thing, but when the spirit behind the arguments is obviously malicious, whatever doctrine they're pushing loses all credibility.
 
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But the oddest thing about this is that I've only seen the person goaded too death who finally answers back angrily as the only one corrected. I've seen this numerous times over. What about the goader? Then you're surprised when people finally tear into that goader?

Can you be so sure about that? Have you read every single thread and comment in here? Have you read every single email? And I have seen where some who have claimed to be innocent have actually been the ones who started it in the first place. And I can go back and show you where one who has claimed to be innocent started it with me. And if you are talking about me getting into another person on here go back and read what I said and what was done by that very same person who claimed to be innocent.