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No, it is Jeff's book, and his thoughts, and I changed none of that. I don't know what Jeff is editing up in Michigan, but I edited nothing. All I did was point out to him one day that the book was littered with typos and misspellings. And he agreed. I then offered to straighten out what I saw (I found about 318 problems)
Now in a few instances I might have switched the order of a phrase to make it read more smoothly. Or I might have straightened out some grammatical snafus (and I have no idea if he will just throw those ideas out) This was all about a year ago, and he has been endeavoring to shorten the book some ever since. (It's really long)
So, please, anything we talk about here will have no impact on what Jeff eventually recreates.
Now in a few instances I might have switched the order of a phrase to make it read more smoothly. Or I might have straightened out some grammatical snafus (and I have no idea if he will just throw those ideas out) This was all about a year ago, and he has been endeavoring to shorten the book some ever since. (It's really long)
So, please, anything we talk about here will have no impact on what Jeff eventually recreates.
Yeah, I figured that would come from you. This is no solicitation. It's about a total loss for Jeff. I was just trying to give us a chance to get this from Amazon for almost nothing, before the revision comes out and the price soars again. It's about the same thing as me telling you where a gas station is now selling gas for a dollar a gallon.
That is true when we are in Christ. We have an advacate with the Father. However, being in Christ is very different than many professing Christians are proclaiming these days. Christ told some of His followers that if they continued in His word they would know the truth and the truth would set them free. I studied scripture for hours a day almost for over a decade and all that time I thought I was walking correctly with God. However, it was only about two or three years ago that I truly understood how to walk with God correctly. This post isnt written about your posts Willie T or your friend's book. Im trying to expalain that walking in the flesh isnt just sinning in sins such as lusts stealing etc etc, but it is not dividing the word of truth correctly
And it is only when we divide the word of truth correctly that we are able to not walk in the flesh sinning. Those disciples understood who Christ was but was still commanded to continue in His word in order to be set free from being a servent of sin.
And it is only when we divide the word of truth correctly that we are able to not walk in the flesh sinning. Those disciples understood who Christ was but was still commanded to continue in His word in order to be set free from being a servent of sin.
Well that was kind of the WHOLE point of the cross. That's kind of what this WHOLE Christianity thing is about, reconciling us to God after Adams sin severed it for ALL of us. That is also what you refuse to acknowledge about what happen on that cross. Us beating Him wasn't what paid for our sin, it was God pouring out ALL His wrath that WE deserve out on His only begotten Son. Not only was Jesus willing to take it, the Father was willing to put our punishment on Him so we could be forgiven. See I know you deny all this and it makes me worry for your soul Willie. If Jesus didn't take your due punishment from a Holy God on that cross then you will have to answer to a Holy God yourself. This is why I've told you that you deny Jesus work on the cross before, you have man and that's no good brother. I understand you think God is love, and of course He is on a level we can't even fathom, but Willie God is not ONLY love. He is also infinitely just, which means He can't even let the smallest sin go unpunished.
I know you hate this idea, but it's the truth man and you have to accept Jesus sacrifice to be forgiven and reborn, and you can't have done that when you don't even think it happen. I plead with you man, please give it some serious thought because this idea you're putting forth here that sin didn't separate us from God, and before that God didn't pour His righteous wrath due to us out on His Son, the spotless Lamb, then you follow a false gospel and a false Jesus, and there is only 1 Jesus that saves.
I know you hate this idea, but it's the truth man and you have to accept Jesus sacrifice to be forgiven and reborn, and you can't have done that when you don't even think it happen. I plead with you man, please give it some serious thought because this idea you're putting forth here that sin didn't separate us from God, and before that God didn't pour His righteous wrath due to us out on His Son, the spotless Lamb, then you follow a false gospel and a false Jesus, and there is only 1 Jesus that saves.
Jimbone,
I've lived twice as long as you have, and for more than 3/4 of that time the very words you are saying could have been my own. We ALL grew up believing that same story. Then, somewhere past the age of 60 I began to actually read the Bible for myself... not to just find the places I was told to find to "prove" certain points, but to see what it really said.
Find, for yourself in the Bible, what Jesus, Himself, said He came to do... His purpose and mission. Truly... do that, and write it down.
Then go find what was designated as our payment required for sin.
Try to reconcile the two, without using "The Story" to make it work. Just use God's words. I think you may find it interesting.
I've lived twice as long as you have, and for more than 3/4 of that time the very words you are saying could have been my own. We ALL grew up believing that same story. Then, somewhere past the age of 60 I began to actually read the Bible for myself... not to just find the places I was told to find to "prove" certain points, but to see what it really said.
Find, for yourself in the Bible, what Jesus, Himself, said He came to do... His purpose and mission. Truly... do that, and write it down.
Then go find what was designated as our payment required for sin.
Try to reconcile the two, without using "The Story" to make it work. Just use God's words. I think you may find it interesting.
T
This totally blows my mind, but I think we've found the difficulty in communication and are agreeing now. I've said it before and I'll say it again, isn't God's plan AMAZING!!? It's awesome, wonderful, fearful; shout it from the mountain tops people, everyone should know how great a God we serve.
And Willie, I apologize; I seem to have turned your simply giving a good word for this book into a major theological debate.
And Willie, I apologize; I seem to have turned your simply giving a good word for this book into a major theological debate.
To be honest man I don't know what our punishment was going to be exactly, nor did I claim to or give any suggestions on what it would be, but if you think our sin didn't separate us from God then you are confused brother. Even more than that if Jesus didn't take that punishment on the cross for you then you're in more confusion and trouble than you think. Look I see you're twice my age, I understand that, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but you're just DEAD wrong man. The only way the cross makes any sense, the only way Gods perfect love and infinite justice can come together, is when He put OUR judgment on Jesus that day, and when we accept and submit to Him, He fills us and makes us all NEW and reveals Himself to us. It honestly blows my mind that I can be on a Christian site debating these truths, and I'm not just going to sit here and go back and forth banging my head against a wall with you, but brother I love you and you are in some dangerous deception here. I understand it sounds nicer and more reasonable from a worldly perspective, but it's WRONG.
Is light angry at the darkness?
You could put it that way. It would be poetic. It would be correct, in a way.
But if you knew, in your heart, that Light is Love would you change your idea of light being angry at darkness?
Would you think it was more like a scientific law, like gravity? Light destroys darkness because that's what it does. Sin causes death because that's what it does.
Without the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done and continues to do, we could not approach the throne of Grace. We just don't have the ability. His Light would cause us to be destroyed.
You would automatically think that a person who causes your destruction must be angry, right? That's a naturally logical thought.
But that's not who God really is. The Light isn't angry at the darkness. The two just can't co-exist. The darkness has to be convinced to change or perish.
You could put it that way. It would be poetic. It would be correct, in a way.
But if you knew, in your heart, that Light is Love would you change your idea of light being angry at darkness?
Would you think it was more like a scientific law, like gravity? Light destroys darkness because that's what it does. Sin causes death because that's what it does.
Without the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has done and continues to do, we could not approach the throne of Grace. We just don't have the ability. His Light would cause us to be destroyed.
You would automatically think that a person who causes your destruction must be angry, right? That's a naturally logical thought.
But that's not who God really is. The Light isn't angry at the darkness. The two just can't co-exist. The darkness has to be convinced to change or perish.