Cancer treatment choices

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JohnDB

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What‘s an MSA?
Medical Savings Account.

It's an Account that is solely for Medical expenses and is a LOT less restrictive than an insurance policy. It's tax deductible just like health insurance is and you can invest the money like you can a self directed IRA. And when it tops out....you don't have to put any more money into it.

And eventually you can have the money to do anything you want with it. Buying boats, cars or other toys.

But it basically is under Your control and discretion as to what treatment you get....but you can't use trips to the Caymans or other tourist destinations....or purchase non medical devices out of the Account.
 

Lanolin

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From what I read its more prevention than cure - stay away from harmful known carcinogens that disrupt your cells. This can be anything from radiation, chemicals, pollution...hormones in food etc

An organic plant based diet also recommended. Many herbs and calcifierous veges are antioxidants.

The other is a positive mindset and forgiveness as well as prayer.

I don't know about cancer being a virus, but researchers are trialling immunotherapy to stimulate the immune system to fight cancers.
 

Lanolin

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In the Bible, fasting and prayer was a treatment choice for all kinds of illnesses (physical and mental) that was only effective if done in tandem.

I know lots of christians pray, but many forget to fast. So then they wonder why they have health problems when they haven't actually given up eating or doing the thing that is killing them.
 
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All I can say is that if I ever get diagnosed with cancer, I will get a second opinion. And a third opinion. If I truly have cancer, I'm going for Fenbendazole or maybe Ivermectin. These anti-parasitic drugs are proving to be very effective against cancer. Probably it's the reason why Ivermectin is so heavily demonized by the media as "people using horsepaste" to fight COVID.
https://www.fenbendazole.org/2019/12/19/panacur-c-dog-dewormer-for-cancer/
 

HealthAndHappiness

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In the Bible, fasting and prayer was a treatment choice for all kinds of illnesses (physical and mental) that was only effective if done in tandem.

I know lots of christians pray, but many forget to fast. So then they wonder why they have health problems when they haven't actually given up eating or doing the thing that is killing them.
Fasting supposed to reset certain metabolic functions. One of my theories is that fasting helps by eliminating wastes and giving the body a break from digestion to focus on the immune system. An unhealthy gut biome also has been shown to not produce the required vitamin B complex and biochemicals that are used by the brain. A lack of healthy cholesterol also has much to do with the endocrine system where hormones are made from the raw material. That affects emotions, energy, and all kinds of functions related to the topic.

I don't want to reduce the spiritual benefits of fasting to merely physical results. I do think it has a place for spiritual as well as physical health. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that might be a point you're making.
 

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People have been studying different alternative ways to combat cancer for many years, meticulously following suggestions and possible cures to see if they actually work. The cancer meds a doctor gives are a result of these years of work. If there's any truth to a story that some herb or something else helps with cancer then it will most likely be in one of the meds a cancer doctor will prescribe to a patient. If it isn't then there's most likely a very good reason why and you would be wise to consult the doctor first before taking it.
 

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I have heard though of people that go arround saying they have a cure for cancer in order to get money from desperate persons. These people recieve heavy prison sentences when caught. God is just as able to heal a cancer patient now as he was able to raise the dead when Jesus was on earth. Some people have been healed through faith and prayer. Those that are healed this way find their cancer gone when they go for their doctors scans. As Jesus warned there are false prophets though and these will tell you you are healed then discourage you from taking meds or visiting the doctor for a checkup. When Jesus healed a leper he would tell them to go for a health checkup with the priests, so if you pray and believe you are healed stick with your doctors recommendations and go for a scan and if you are truly healed your scan will be your testimony.
 

Truth01

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I will post a few messages with examples of some of the great things God has done and some of the people he has healed.

2 Kings 20:
1 In those days Hezekiah was sick and near death. And Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, went to him and said to him, "Thus says the Lord: `Set your house in order, for you shall die, and not live.` "
2 Then he turned his face toward the wall, and prayed to the Lord, saying,
3 "Remember now, O Lord, I pray, how I have walked before You in truth and with a loyal heart, and have done what was good in Your sight." And Hezekiah wept bitterly.
4 And it happened, before Isaiah had gone out into the middle court, that the word of the Lord came to him, saying,
5 "Return and tell Hezekiah the leader of My people, `Thus says the Lord, the God of David your father: "I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; surely I will heal you. On the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord.
6 And I will add to your days fifteen years. I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for My own sake, and for the sake of My servant David." ` "
 

Moses_Young

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Cancer is one of the most well researched diseases.
Maybe one of the most well-funded research topics. Which is different to one of the most well-researched. The best cancer researchers don't have profit as the ultimate goal.
 

JohnDB

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I am reading books about documented cases of people who successfully decided to try natural ways to get well from even the most serious types of cancer. Some did it completely through diet and lifestyle changes, some through a combination of conventionally recommended chemotherapy and such.

I am reading that chemotherapy, though often very successful, causes damage to the body and a lot to the immune system. Factors like this do need thought. So much suffering is caused by it's side effects, but of course it has it's place in treatment.


Of course it is entirely individual choice as each patient has their own opinion over what to do with doctors recommendations. Yet there ARE cases of complete recovery from cancer by entirely natural means of supporting one's immune system. It is a brave choice and some people are successful in finding the key to unlocking their own ability to heal. This is so interesting as I think it is not really an area of great research. Doctors tend to dismiss rare completely natural remissions.

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion or experience or knowledge of someone recovering without medical help?
Do keep in mind I am merely curious, not telling anyone what to do and certainly not seeking arguments. Cancer is so common now and is very scary, it is best to know we have a choice over how to tackle it.
One book I am reading is 'Cancer: Survivors Stories: They did it. You can too,' by Jonathan Chamberlain.

Another is Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg. Also The Cancer Survivors Club by Chris Geiger.

The cases in these books are inspirational and often very moving, about very brave patients who knew first hand what it is to face serious illness.
These books are rather one sided in their viewpoint.
AND
They leave out critical, crucial information....
Such as the 60 patients who all died trying the same treatment before one was successful...they talk extensively about the one but don't even discuss the 60 or that the government shut them down and was seriously considering murder charges.

Cancer is a broad category covering a huge swath of various illnesses/diseases.
Not all tumors are solid...some are liquid and responsible for a variety of ailments.
Where we like the stories about unconventional means to overcome a massive problem....the best practices is still the standard of care proscribed by an average oncologist.

Now what's really scary is that your doctor is going to proscribed what your insurance will accept. Even though the statistics of success of a particular treatment is poor versus another your doctor still has to proscribe the poor one first because the cost is so much cheaper. Because the insurance company wants to try and save money. They could care less whether you live or die.

The only way around this is with an MSA instead of regular insurance.

Most common cancers have successful treatments these days. Some don't. It just depends. Lung cancer is still troublesome. They can extend your life but that's about it. No real cures as of yet. (Still working on them) same thing with liver cancer....

Organ transplants? It's like winning the lottery if you are over 60 and get one.

There are worse things than cancer. We usually just don't like facing them.
 

JohnDB

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Maybe one of the most well-funded research topics. Which is different to one of the most well-researched. The best cancer researchers don't have profit as the ultimate goal.
Actually HIV was the most funded. More dollars were spent researching HIV than cancer and heart troubles combined.

Covid-19 is number one currently. More dollars available than researchers competent in the field. A lot has been done but more is coming despite the rhetoric and phoney research.
Virology is feast or famine in the research world. (And the willingness of the NIH)

Currently another "hot topic" of research is internal biome and mutagens of heliobacter pylori. (A leading cause of colon cancer they suspect)

Most research projects involving cancer require years to accomplish...like decades of years. Some are more in the field of epidemiology than virology...but currently virology is winning the day. Epidemiology studies are coming but they take the longest. When they come out then the biological chemistry researchers come in and discover new drugs to alleviate what the epidemiology studies indicate.

Same thing with cancers.
 

Magenta

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There are more than 200 types of cancer, classified according to where they start in the body,
such as breast cancer or lung cancer, and also grouped according to the type of cell they start
in. Breast cancer is the most common cancer diagnosed in women, accounting for more than
one in ten new cancer diagnoses each year. It is the second most common cause of death from
cancer among women in the world. Treatment would depend on a number of factors, because
there are literally dozens of different types of breast cancer.
 

JohnDB

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There are more than 200 types of cancer, classified according to where they start in the body,
such as breast cancer or lung cancer, and also grouped according to the type of cell they start
in. Breast cancer is the most common cancer diagnosed in women, accounting for more than
one in ten new cancer diagnoses each year. It is the second most common cause of death from
cancer among women in the world. Treatment would depend on a number of factors, because
there are literally dozens of different types of breast cancer.
Now a "dirty little secret" that really riles the Republicans is that because of the lowered amounts of pollution and chemicals in the USA....
Cancer rates have continued on a steady decline. All the manufacturing that created the pollutants has moved overseas. So the USA rates have dropped while those nations that have gotten the manufacturing and associated pollution have skyrocketed.
So much so that scientists have declared this a clue.
 

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I have knowledge of several people who have survived cancer using”wholistic“ methods. Rather than post links, please use google to find them online.
  • Dr. Day, she was a trama surgeon who survived breast cancer, she provide a picture of the tumor on her site.
  • George Malkmus is a pastor who defeated colon cancer many years ago. He subsequently founded Hallelujah Acres. I met him once, a fine gentleman.
  • This last one is a Canadian nurse, Renee Caisse. I have a personal story about her methods but don’t know how to post it.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I am reading books about documented cases of people who successfully decided to try natural ways to get well from even the most serious types of cancer. Some did it completely through diet and lifestyle changes, some through a combination of conventionally recommended chemotherapy and such.

I am reading that chemotherapy, though often very successful, causes damage to the body and a lot to the immune system. Factors like this do need thought. So much suffering is caused by it's side effects, but of course it has it's place in treatment.


Of course it is entirely individual choice as each patient has their own opinion over what to do with doctors recommendations. Yet there ARE cases of complete recovery from cancer by entirely natural means of supporting one's immune system. It is a brave choice and some people are successful in finding the key to unlocking their own ability to heal. This is so interesting as I think it is not really an area of great research. Doctors tend to dismiss rare completely natural remissions.

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion or experience or knowledge of someone recovering without medical help?
Do keep in mind I am merely curious, not telling anyone what to do and certainly not seeking arguments. Cancer is so common now and is very scary, it is best to know we have a choice over how to tackle it.
One book I am reading is 'Cancer: Survivors Stories: They did it. You can too,' by Jonathan Chamberlain.

Another is Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg. Also The Cancer Survivors Club by Chris Geiger.

The cases in these books are inspirational and often very moving, about very brave patients who knew first hand what it is to face serious illness.

A podcast just showed up in my news feed that reminded me of your request. I have no experience with this treatment but G. Edward Griffin did a lot of investigation into it. I remember that he actually featured his investigative research in a documentary he did a while back. That's where I would go for more information after listening to this if you want further details. The short lecture on it is posted. The full documentary is called World Without Cancer.

B-17


 

HealthAndHappiness

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I am reading books about documented cases of people who successfully decided to try natural ways to get well from even the most serious types of cancer. Some did it completely through diet and lifestyle changes, some through a combination of conventionally recommended chemotherapy and such.

I am reading that chemotherapy, though often very successful, causes damage to the body and a lot to the immune system. Factors like this do need thought. So much suffering is caused by it's side effects, but of course it has it's place in treatment.


Of course it is entirely individual choice as each patient has their own opinion over what to do with doctors recommendations. Yet there ARE cases of complete recovery from cancer by entirely natural means of supporting one's immune system. It is a brave choice and some people are successful in finding the key to unlocking their own ability to heal. This is so interesting as I think it is not really an area of great research. Doctors tend to dismiss rare completely natural remissions.

I wonder if anyone here has an opinion or experience or knowledge of someone recovering without medical help?
Do keep in mind I am merely curious, not telling anyone what to do and certainly not seeking arguments. Cancer is so common now and is very scary, it is best to know we have a choice over how to tackle it.
One book I am reading is 'Cancer: Survivors Stories: They did it. You can too,' by Jonathan Chamberlain.

Another is Remarkable Recovery by Caryle Hirshberg. Also The Cancer Survivors Club by Chris Geiger.

The cases in these books are inspirational and often very moving, about very brave patients who knew first hand what it is to face serious illness.

Interview with G. Edward Griffin