Is Your Doctor a Certified Killer?

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Magenta

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They were heartless and refused to do the least of care. Your description reminds me of what I read this morning.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

To those unbelieving nurses, the rest is pretty scary.
I would not say they were heartless though I can see why you think that in the case of your mother. My own mother did not want extraordinary means trying to keep her alive so when she was hospitalized at the end of her life the medical team consulted with my siblings at every step of the way to see of they were on board with what they wanted to do under the circumstances. Since there was a DNR in place my siblings wanted to know, is this (what the doctors wanted to do at any given time) an extraordinary means? My mom was 90. Anyways, in my case, that one nurse (the blanket incident) was just a prickly person and who knows? Maybe she was having a bad day or something, I thought she was kind of funny, and the other one needs to just think through what she is saying before she opens her mouth LOL. It was my advocate who really made me wonder, telling me I had to go out/leave my home for home care. I was not going anywhere LOL. I think it was about two weeks before I was okay to leave my apartment... Then I was going out for wound care, I am not sure if it was every day at first, certainly it was every other day for quite a while, and then three days a week, and when they put me once a week I got an infection = MRSA.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I would not say they were heartless though I can see why you think that in the case of your mother. My own mother did not want extraordinary means trying to keep her alive so when she was hospitalized at the end of her life the medical team consulted with my siblings at every step of the way to see of they were on board with what they wanted to do under the circumstances. Since there was a DNR in place my siblings wanted to know, is this (what the doctors wanted to do at any given time) an extraordinary means? My mom was 90. Anyways, in my case, that one nurse (the blanket incident) was just a prickly person and who knows? Maybe she was having a bad day or something, I thought she was kind of funny, and the other one needs to just think through what she is saying before she opens her mouth LOL. It was my advocate who really made me wonder, telling me I had to go out/leave my home for home care. I was not going anywhere LOL. I think it was about two weeks before I was okay to leave my apartment...

With your new "health care" policies under the tender mercies of Trudeau, you have to be extra careful.

They Canadian medical industry is pushing This.<
The states have been doing this all my life through the Hospice grants.
 

CarriePie

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🥺 My heart goes out to you Carrie.
You and your Dad must have been very close too. I think of mine very often and thank the Lord for such a good Father. The time I was crippled, he cared for me and I saw how much he loved me. After the Lord healed me, Dad had a time when he needed care too. I was able to Grow in God's love for him especially then. That has been a blessing in spite of the loss.
I trust that your own Dad knows what a special blessing you are to him forever.

🙏 Thank you so very much for your prayers. I put you back on my list.
Thank so much for your thoughtful words and prayers. You've touched my heart greatly. I spent a good deal of my life helping my dad and would have spent the rest of my life helping him if that was the Lord's will. Dad had become very weak and very tired toward the end. Just a short time before he died though, he became very lucid and he took my hand and he said, "I don't have much longer. I love you, dearie. Forever." I'll be thankful for that moment for the rest of my life.

It does my heart good to hear that you also had a very loving father. That is a gift that we don't fully know the depth of until after loss. There is a that saying, something like, "Grief is the price we pay for love." I now know that the greater the love the deeper the grief. Reading about your love for your father and the growth of that love is very touching.

My prayers for you continue. Bless you for adding much warmth to my day.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Thank so much for your thoughtful words and prayers. You've touched my heart greatly. I spent a good deal of my life helping my dad and would have spent the rest of my life helping him if that was the Lord's will. Dad had become very weak and very tired toward the end. Just a short time before he died though, he became very lucid and he took my hand and he said, "I don't have much longer. I love you, dearie. Forever." I'll be thankful for that moment for the rest of my life.

It does my heart good to hear that you also had a very loving father. That is a gift that we don't fully know the depth of until after loss. There is a that saying, something like, "Grief is the price we pay for love." I now know that the greater the love the deeper the grief. Reading about your love for your father and the growth of that love is very touching.

My prayers for you continue. Bless you for adding much warmth to my day.
🥹
 

Magenta

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With your new "health care" policies under the tender mercies of Trudeau, you have to be extra careful.

They Canadian medical industry is pushing This.<
The states have been doing this all my life through the Hospice grants.
“You have to meet rigorous eligibility criteria." source

“The reality is, it’s a small number of people who qualify for Maid. But investments in mental
health and disability resources would go so far to help so many more people live their lives.”



 

HealthAndHappiness

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“You have to meet rigorous eligibility criteria." source

“The reality is, it’s a small number of people who qualify for Maid. But investments in mental
health and disability resources would go so far to help so many more people live their lives.”

Do you support the Canadian MAID system?
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I think there are legitimate cases where the person should be able to choose
to end their suffering in a medically supported and compassionate manner.

There was a John Wayne movie that was very sad. I think it was his last Western. I remember that conversation his character had with the Doc.
I could only guess that mercy killing has been around as long as opium probably has. I'm not judging anyone. I've been around a lot of suffering old folks and young.

The problem in America is that the medical industry found ways to make big $ from it and call it medical ethics...
What it really is to the analogy of the amusement rides. They talk like it's mercy when they strap them into the tunnel of love boat: When in fact it's a rollercoaster at top speed flying off of the rails. The patient is told "it's terminal", when in reality the Dr has no idea. They instill hopelessness in their victims and families. They give up and submit to sign the form. Then they get the lump sum plus previous charges..
West Virginia has had the largest bounty on deaths per Capita since the major grant began in 2020. You've seen the westerns, wanted dead or alive? These just say wanted dead...$150,000+ bounty per patient. The psychos can't resist that. Plus it's federally funded so they won't be charged and convicted like a Ted Bundy.

Then they take it upon themselves to overdose the patient as they did to Mom. Another nurse tried asphyxiation. On Dad they stabbed him through the lung when I was rescuing him from the West Virginia VA. The Dr and the hospital and other participants are rewarded with a bounty. Most don't know this going in. I'm not saying that happened to your parents. I've just seen how they do this to those in the states' nursing homes and hospitals. If we have that foreknowledge, perhaps others will succeed where I did not.


Sorry to ramble on about the same subject. I don't want to bring you down.

Be careful my friend.

Peggy Hall on Admission requirements and testing
 

HealthAndHappiness

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I think there are legitimate cases where the person should be able to choose
to end their suffering in a medically supported and compassionate manner.
I finally found the free book from Nurse Ron Panzer. It is well worth the time to read and pass forward.

Stealth Euthanasia, by Ron Panzer

This is the hospice nurse who I interviewed. I'm impressed with his depth of knowledge on the practical issues that so many eventually face. Most people have no idea and blindly trust the company for direction. It might be of use to a friend.
 
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As someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia after having a psychosis that lasted for a week where I literally thought I went to hell in August 2010, I was rediagnosed 5 years later with schizoaffective disorder after keeping my illness a secret and performing jobs such as a server at the Olive Garden, which apparently is way high functioning for someone with supposed schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. By the way, I never heard a voice that wasn’t there and I never saw anything that wasn’t there. I only had two psychosis ever, when people with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder have them all the time. One I woke up with, that lasted for a week and one that was drug induced after smoking spice at a party. I have been taking medications since 2010. It’s now 2024 and two months ago they rediagnosed me with bipolar disorder, after I’ve had a Christian therapist that noticed that I’m not like her brother who actually has schizoaffective disorder but that I have mood swings. So based on her taking the time to talk to me twice a week for a year, I gave her my psychiatrists phone number and she told him that I’m most likely bipolar. Which makes sense since people with bipolar can also have psychosis but I also think that maybe I’m not even bipolar but that there is just more past trauma that I need to process with my therapist and maybe take a few anger management classes. A month ago I ditched that old psychiatrist and found a nurse practitioner willing to work with me. So far he seems super optimistic. The first day that I met him he brought up taking me off as many of the medications that I am on that we can and try to go from 6 medications to maybe 2 or 3. I didn’t even tell him that I wanted to either change or wean off any. It was his idea. I’m literally 100lbs overweight from when I started taking medications. So the first thing we did was start weaning me off of three of the medications that all have weight gain side effects and we are going to replace them with one medication that doesn’t cause those side effects. Two of them were antipsychotic medications at different dosages (risperidal 4mg, 3mg) that I took every night before bed, and the other was a nuero nerve pain medication (gabapentin 300mg) that I took three times a day. I am now only taking risperidal 4mg every night until next appointment in two weeks, where we’ll cut it in half again, and I’m now down to gabapentin 100mg being taken one time a day and that is almost completely over with. The nurse practitioner wants to drop Risperidal as my primary antipsychotic and bring in a newer one with less side effects. That way my metabolism will hopefully return close to back to normal and my guts micro biome will be healthier again, which risperidal effects both when taken.

Other medications I take besides those three are buspirone 10mg twice a day, venlafaxine 100mg twice a day and lamotrigine 50mg upon waking up. Lamotrigine is used for bipolar, venlafaxine is used for depression and buspirone is used for anxiety.

i bet if I just exercised daily, which I don’t exercise at all, and ate a balanced healthy diet, I wouldn’t have to take any of these medications but then again, I was exercising every day and eating a balanced diet upon having my first psychosis. So who knows. Just glad I got a nurse practitioner willing to work with me, instead of load me up on pills, like the previous psychiatrist was doing.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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As someone who was diagnosed with schizophrenia after having a psychosis that lasted for a week where I literally thought I went to hell in August 2010, I was rediagnosed 5 years later with schizoaffective disorder after keeping my illness a secret and performing jobs such as a server at the Olive Garden, which apparently is way high functioning for someone with supposed schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. By the way, I never heard a voice that wasn’t there and I never saw anything that wasn’t there. I only had two psychosis ever, when people with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder have them all the time. One I woke up with, that lasted for a week and one that was drug induced after smoking spice at a party. I have been taking medications since 2010. It’s now 2024 and two months ago they rediagnosed me with bipolar disorder, after I’ve had a Christian therapist that noticed that I’m not like her brother who actually has schizoaffective disorder but that I have mood swings. So based on her taking the time to talk to me twice a week for a year, I gave her my psychiatrists phone number and she told him that I’m most likely bipolar. Which makes sense since people with bipolar can also have psychosis but I also think that maybe I’m not even bipolar but that there is just more past trauma that I need to process with my therapist and maybe take a few anger management classes. A month ago I ditched that old psychiatrist and found a nurse practitioner willing to work with me. So far he seems super optimistic. The first day that I met him he brought up taking me off as many of the medications that I am on that we can and try to go from 6 medications to maybe 2 or 3. I didn’t even tell him that I wanted to either change or wean off any. It was his idea. I’m literally 100lbs overweight from when I started taking medications. So the first thing we did was start weaning me off of three of the medications that all have weight gain side effects and we are going to replace them with one medication that doesn’t cause those side effects. Two of them were antipsychotic medications at different dosages (risperidal 4mg, 3mg) that I took every night before bed, and the other was a nuero nerve pain medication (gabapentin 300mg) that I took three times a day. I am now only taking risperidal 4mg every night until next appointment in two weeks, where we’ll cut it in half again, and I’m now down to gabapentin 100mg being taken one time a day and that is almost completely over with. The nurse practitioner wants to drop Risperidal as my primary antipsychotic and bring in a newer one with less side effects. That way my metabolism will hopefully return close to back to normal and my guts micro biome will be healthier again, which risperidal effects both when taken.

Other medications I take besides those three are buspirone 10mg twice a day, venlafaxine 100mg twice a day and lamotrigine 50mg upon waking up. Lamotrigine is used for bipolar, venlafaxine is used for depression and buspirone is used for anxiety.

i bet if I just exercised daily, which I don’t exercise at all, and ate a balanced healthy diet, I wouldn’t have to take any of these medications but then again, I was exercising every day and eating a balanced diet upon having my first psychosis. So who knows. Just glad I got a nurse practitioner willing to work with me, instead of load me up on pills, like the previous psychiatrist was doing.

Those are some real challenges, but it's good to hear that you are taking steps to overcome them. Glad you are doing so well in spite of that.

I had an interest in studying that general topic in high school because I wanted to help those with such challenges. Then I went on to college and studied that along with my major. My take was that psychology identifies and categorizes human behavior, but offers few solutions. The Bible offers us healing for mental health and so do the nutrients that the Lord made.

You mentioned One trigger that started a major episode.
Namely your statement,

". I only had two psychosis ever, when people with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder have them all the time. One I woke up with, that lasted for a week and one that was drug induced after smoking spice at a party."...

There was a study that showed a correlation between psychosis and marijuana use. I remember that it showed that nearly all who were questioned about it had developed their hallucinating following the use of that drug. I don't recall other drugs mentioned, but hallucinogens are popular recreational drugs, so it seems to make sense what you explained.

There's a lot of money that psychiatrists make with lifelong patients. I'm not telling you that you should quit your Rx medication. It's not my role, but it is encouraging to see people look for real solutions that go beyond medicating the symptoms.

One person who immediately comes to mind about your topic is >Dr. Peter Breggin<< .
I studied his teaching for years and highly recommend him concerning psychiatry and for those wanting to taper off medications. He is the expert on that topic. I would bookmark his website and go to the menu. The topic you are looking for is there. I don't know if he has any videos up on that because YouTube deleted nearly all/ hundreds of them last I checked. I would read and listen to this psychiatrist for guidance on the safest ways to accomplish your goals.
>HERE<< are a few of his videos. Hopefully something there or on his large website will help answer any questions.

Have a good week and check back here anytime.
🙂👍
 

Eli1

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I think there are legitimate cases where the person should be able to choose
to end their suffering in a medically supported and compassionate manner.
Exactly and let us hope and pray that we don’t have to be in that situation.
 

HeIsHere

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I finally found the free book from Nurse Ron Panzer. It is well worth the time to read and pass forward.

Stealth Euthanasia, by Ron Panzer

This is the hospice nurse who I interviewed. I'm impressed with his depth of knowledge on the practical issues that so many eventually face. Most people have no idea and blindly trust the company for direction. It might be of use to a friend.

Very informative.
"cultural death" yes he has coined a good term for it.

In some cases the slippery slope argument has tremendous weight.
MAID in Canada is a tragedy and never should have been put in place.

As of March 17, 2021, when Bill C-7 received Royal Assent, the law no longer requires a person’s natural death to be reasonably foreseeable to access medical assistance in dying (MAID).
 
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To be eligible for medical assistance in dying, you must meet all the following criteria. You must:
  • be eligible for health services funded by a province or territory, or the federal government
    • You may also be eligible if you meet your province or territory's minimum period of residence or waiting period.
  • be at least 18 years old and mentally competent
    • This means being capable of making health care decisions for yourself.
  • have a grievous and irremediable medical condition
  • make a voluntary request for medical assistance in dying
    • The request cannot be the result of outside pressure or influence.
  • give informed consent to receive medical assistance in dying
Grievous and irremediable medical condition
To be considered as having a grievous and irremediable medical condition, you must meet all of the following criteria. You must:

  • have a serious illness, disease or disability
  • be in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed
  • experience unbearable physical or mental suffering from your illness, disease, disability or state of decline that cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable source
 

HeIsHere

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Safeguards — natural death not foreseeable

Criminal Code

Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46)
 
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Safeguards — natural death not foreseeable

Criminal Code

Criminal Code (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-46)
Safeguards — natural death not foreseeable

(3.1) Before a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner provides medical assistance in dying to a person whose natural death is not reasonably foreseeable, taking into account all of their medical circumstances, the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner must

  • (a) be of the opinion that the person meets all of the criteria set out in subsection (1);
  • (b) ensure that the person’s request for medical assistance in dying was
    • (i) made in writing and signed and dated by the person or by another person under subsection (4), and
    • (ii) signed and dated after the person was informed by a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner that the person has a grievous and irremediable medical condition;
  • (c) be satisfied that the request was signed and dated by the person — or by another person under subsection (4) — before an independent witness who then also signed and dated the request;
  • (d) ensure that the person has been informed that the person may, at any time and in any manner, withdraw their request;
  • (e) ensure that another medical practitioner or nurse practitioner has provided a written opinion confirming that the person meets all of the criteria set out in subsection (1);
  • (e.1) if neither they nor the other medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) has expertise in the condition that is causing the person’s suffering, ensure that they or the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) consult with a medical practitioner or nurse practitioner who has that expertise and share the results of that consultation with the other practitioner;
  • (f) be satisfied that they and the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) are independent;
  • (g) ensure that the person has been informed of the means available to relieve their suffering, including, where appropriate, counselling services, mental health and disability support services, community services and palliative care and has been offered consultations with relevant professionals who provide those services or that care;
  • (h) ensure that they and the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) have discussed with the person the reasonable and available means to relieve the person’s suffering and they and the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) agree with the person that the person has given serious consideration to those means;
  • (i) ensure that there are at least 90 clear days between the day on which the first assessment under this subsection of whether the person meets the criteria set out in subsection (1) begins and the day on which medical assistance in dying is provided to them or — if the assessments have been completed and they and the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner referred to in paragraph (e) are both of the opinion that the loss of the person’s capacity to provide consent to receive medical assistance in dying is imminent — any shorter period that the first medical practitioner or nurse practitioner considers appropriate in the circumstances;
  • (j) if the person has difficulty communicating, take all necessary measures to provide a reliable means by which the person may understand the information that is provided to them and communicate their decision; and
  • (k) immediately before providing the medical assistance in dying, give the person an opportunity to withdraw their request and ensure that the person gives express consent to receive medical assistance in dying.