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Ps sorry I tend to forget that a lot of folks from other countries may not
know what the NHS is.

It's the medical organisation by which the whole of the UK obtains it's medical needs
free of charge. Although we all contribute via taxes. So it covers doctors, hospitals,
ambulance services, physio services, district nurses, mental health services, some dental services
and much much more. Any thing in fact to do with the health system in the UK.
 

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Yep, laura...eating healthy (not referring to all organic) doesn't have to be expensive at all. I challenge the claim that eating junk food is cheaper, when you consider products like eggs, leafy veggies, beans. Human nature shows us that our behaviors follow our priorities. The whole underlying premise of economics is what drives people to allocate their resources the way they do. Your bank statement doesn't lie. Junk food is just as, if not more, costly as any other food.
(To be clear, apples to apples, we're not comparing a choice between skipping dinner or eating at McDonald's, it's looking at the items selected if you were given for example, a 20 dollar budget for a shopping trip.)

I do differ in opinion with JD as far as the best diet being a raw vegan diet, but there is definitely truth to the sentiment that 'an of prevention is worth a pound of cure'. (A cavity will cost you more than dental floss)

don't get me wrong, I can put away some pasta, pizza, chips, key lime pie and such, and I definitely indulge now and then, but I don't make excuses for it, it's just a choice.

AuntieAnt, someone shared a thought with me once about macros that really resonated...reducing your calories may help you lose weight, but eating according your macros helps you LOOK leaner because it determines your body composition, and what those lost lbs consist of (fat, muscle, blood and guts). I'm sure some of the fitness buffs/muscle heads/nutrition folks around here know a lot more too, hopefully they are encouraged to participate
Hi H.
So I am not looking to debate with you, or even try to convince you as to why a raw organic vegan diet is the best diet for almost all people in many circumstances.
But I am curious as to what you think the ideal diet for longevity and quality of life is. And if you answer me, can you also tell me why you think that?
 

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Ps sorry I tend to forget that a lot of folks from other countries may not
know what the NHS is.

It's the medical organisation by which the whole of the UK obtains it's medical needs
free of charge. Although we all contribute via taxes. So it covers doctors, hospitals,
ambulance services, physio services, district nurses, mental health services, some dental services
and much much more. Any thing in fact to do with the health system in the UK.
I hear the UK has a great and very fair health care system. My friend lived in Europe for many years, and very recently she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She may not be able to get proper care here, so she is thinking of moving to the UK for a time to health care. I did not know that can be done, and she explained to me if someone, anyone, walks into a hospital, they have, to, or will, treat them. I was blown away when she told me this.
 
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Agreed, low iodine levels can cause problems and if a person has medically confirmed
with low levels, then they may need to have it.

I'm not speaking from a perspective of only people who have low iodine levels. I'm speaking about both parties. My point is that people like me who aren't in any way deficient in iodine, and any other person can benefit hugely from it, independent of what their levels are.

But due to the trace amounts we need, it would be unusual to have iodine deficiency in a
first world country where a varied diet is available and people who are not deficient need to be
careful they do not over do it - as with any supplements by the way.

Anyone can eat any kind of 'food' claiming to have traces of iodine in them to be sufficient enough, but the food itself isn't healthy or it's so minimally present that any source of supposed iodine is lost in its benefits on the brain and the body in preventing diseases and dealing with pre existing conditions.

During Chernobyl there was a lot of people who developed thyroid cancer due to the
radiative iodine released, again because the thyroid gland absorbs iodine.
I assume you been radioactive iodine which is entirely distinct to what i'm referring too. In the present time, detoxified or nascent iodine and indeed other forms of reputable liquid iodine's have been found to aid in preventing cancer.

One of the things the doctors did do, was give me a drug to actually prevent my
thyroid gland absorbing iodine in a bid to try to lower my thyroid levels. They would
not have done that if the thyroid gland did not absorb iodine in the first place.
So someone who takes too much normal iodine in their diet can really mess up their
thyroid function over time.
If you already had illnesses or conditions and you were already on medication and followed what a generic medical doctor said, then it doesn't surprise me that you were advised to avoid iodine. Following prescription medication and not knowing what kind of diet you were on, your situation is far too general and from what it sounds like not inclusive of the organic natural lifestyle that I am basing my experience on.

What you posted was a generic medical outline of what a group thinks our iodine should be. It doesn't consider so many other factors which is why I encourage the audience to read further into the situation and look at it from a much broader picture. I'm a vegan and i have perfect blood test results. I take a liquid iodine every day and have been doing so for years for both pre existing conditions and to prevent cancer - I have no problems with my thyroid and indeed it's been very beneficial to my metabolic rate and digestive system.



Oh I agree that topical iodine in the form of lotions, creams etc can be good it has antiseptic properties and can help with skin problems. I use to use it in my fish tank or paint it on the fish when they got skin problems.
What i'm referring to is detoxified and nascent iodine. If you did some research, and read my posts, you would see that they are not in the form of lotion or creams. I have spoken specifically about this in detail in my posts. They are a 'liquid' iodine exclusively.


I believe it is also a well known old form of antiseptic for humans, but that is not ingested. Its the ingestion of too much iodine which can cause problems over time.

An 'old form' of 'antiseptic'. This screams volumes again. I would encourage you to do further research into liquid iodine and its major benefits to health. What I'm referring to, is not an 'old form' of anything. It is based on current research and experience to do with many conditions and best of all in preventing cancer. Your last sentence - you could make the same claim about anything, it is incredibly elementary and general and doesn't acknowledge the specifics of many things to do with the intake of iodine. It goes far beyond healing a skin condition.


Incidentally the web link I gave was the official National Health Service website used in the Uk by patients and health professionals. It's health professionals who put the information together so it's not just a random website.
Any website can be classified as 'some random website'. It's irrelevant that it was put together by a group of patients and so called health professionals. You're speaking as a patient yourself, everybody on this health forum speaks as a 'patient' in their own right. This is a natural health forum. The opinion of supposed generic health medical professionals is often contradicted because for generations people have looked for alternatives that long term don't end lives and or cause other major health problems. Just because you site 'health professionals' means absolutely nothing to me but screams volumes at the same time about your position. The audience and natural herbalists can have just as much and certainly more knowledge and be considered 'health professionals' in their own right.


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In sum, whether you have low iodine levels or not, this statement fails comprehension in acknowledging the benefits of iodine, how to draw the basics of it and go beyond in treating pre existing conditions and in preventing major diseases.



 
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Agreed, low iodine levels can cause problems and if a person has medically confirmed
with low levels, then they may need to have it.

That's the complete opposite of what I said. People don't need to have 'medically confirmed' anything to educate themselves and see for themselves what works best for their own mind and body.

It's not just people with low levels, it's people who experience all those conditions discussed and many others which are not necessarily brought about by low levels of iodine at all. It's for people interested in preventing cancer and aiding their overall health, which goes far and beyond your quoted number of what we need as confirmed by a 'medical health professional'. Those kinds of people have been proven wrong for many years and for good reason.
 
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Well when it comes to researching the body's requirements, I would rather look
at an unbiased, not for profit medically proven website whose intent is to
provide accurate, assistance and medical information for the whole of the UK.
Rather than a profit making sales oriented web site whose aim is to make
people think they need something then try to sell them it.

(I still don't think you understand what the NHS is but that is ok).

Not that I am against natural remedies or people making their own decisions
about their health. I have just seen many people get caught up in scams where
they end up buying things at inflated prices they do not need because companies
via high pressure sales tactics, make it sound as if they must have it at all costs.

If a person suspects they have a medical problem or are likely to need
preventative treatment, it would be better to have this confirmed by a
qualified doctor first, then it is up to them as to what course of action to take
treatment wise.

Re the iodine, I wasn't suggesting all iodine is radioactive, I was just explaining
how iodine is absorbed by the thyroid gland and this is a medical fact and it is
also why radioactive active iodine is used as a treatment for having an over active
tyroid, as it is well known that iodine is absorbed by the thyroid gland whether it
is radioactive or not.

So if you have too much iodine in your diet then at best it is expelled by the body as
surplus, at worst it can be absorbed by the thyroid gland with the excess
potentially causing problems. People need to be aware of this when deciding
whether to buy it or not.
 
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Miri

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I hear the UK has a great and very fair health care system. My friend lived in Europe for many years, and very recently she was diagnosed with breast cancer. She may not be able to get proper care here, so she is thinking of moving to the UK for a time to health care. I did not know that can be done, and she explained to me if someone, anyone, walks into a hospital, they have, to, or will, treat them. I was blown away when she told me this.

It she lives in a country which is part of the Europen Union, which allows free movement
between the member countries who are part of it, then she can come to the U.K., get a
job, register as a patient here, get treatment free, get a house etc.

But... It's one of the ongoing problems and one of the reasons why we are having
a vote as to whether to remain in the European Union or not, the NHS is funded
by the government and tax payers. People from other countries sometimes take advantage
of it. In theory these medical visitors can be charged for the medical bills accrued.

There has been an influx of pregnant women for example, from other member states,
who live here for the last few months of pregnancy give birth get free treatment etc. Then
return to their own country, all without putting anything into the system.

One way or another I think the government will crack down on this.
Its like a hungry person turning up on your door step, raiding your fridge eating
their fill, then leaving you with the mess to clean up and the grocery bill.

Having said that if you want to look anything up on the NHS website, it is accessible to
anyone.
 

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Well, in fairness to JosephsDreams, we DO decide what goes into our OWN bodies. And I also hope that he realizes that. More than a few times he's told me that I need to stop consuming dairy, I recognize that that is his suggestion and I have the final say (FYI my final say was a resounding NO). I don't buy that crock about milk being bad for you. Ok store bought pasteurized stuff that's barely milk, is most likely not good for anyone, when I say milk I mean straight from the cow to the bucket, filtered through a cheesecloth, skim into a glass jar, put in the fridge, then into my glass milk.
I digress. The point is JosephsDreams gives what he believes to be solid advice and suggestions, it shouldn't matter any what he (or anyone else) does or does not think about when you decide not to follow his ideas.
I know some people here don't think so, you not being one of them, but I do respects a persons decision to make their own choices. I do when woman have abortions, as abhorrent I find that, and I respected my wife's decision to ignore my dietary advice when she got cancer, and I respect anyone's choice. I just put the info out there. People can decide themselves what to do with it. I just ask they consider what I write may have a possibility of having a biblical and scientific and spiritual basis. That they do the homework, as you did, even though we don't agree, before they say outright I am a quack, or wrong. I respect the way you went about it.
 

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Well when it comes to researching the body's requirements, I would rather look
at an unbiased, not for profit medically proven website whose intent is to
provide accurate, assistance and medical information for the whole of the UK.
Rather than a profit making sales oriented web site whose aim is to make
people think they need something then try to sell them it.

(I still don't think you understand what the NHS is but that is ok).

Not that I am against natural remedies or people making their own decisions
about their health. I have just seen many people get caught up in scams where
they end up buying things at inflated prices they do not need because companies
via high pressure sales tactics, make it sound as if they must have it at all costs.

If a person suspects they have a medical problem or are likely to need
preventative treatment, it would be better to have this confirmed by a
qualified doctor first, then it is up to them as to what course of action to take
treatment wise.

Re the iodine, I wasn't suggesting all iodine is radioactive, I was just explaining
how iodine is absorbed by the thyroid gland and this is a medical fact and it is
also why radioactive active iodine is used as a treatment for having an over active
tyroid, as it is well known that iodine is absorbed by the thyroid gland whether it
is radioactive or not.

So if you have too much iodine in your diet then at best it is expelled by the body as
surplus, at worst it can be absorbed by the thyroid gland with the excess
potentially causing problems. People need to be aware of this when deciding
whether to buy it or not.
Maybe the biggest (and most lucrative) scam (when I say scam, I am being very general, I understand they have helped many people, but my words go much deeper then that) of all is the pharma industry.
 
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Well when it comes to researching the body's requirements, I would rather look
at an unbiased, not for profit medically proven website whose intent is to
provide accurate, assistance and medical information for the whole of the UK.
It's on the internet, it's not just for the whole of the UK is for the whole world, regardless of where it was made.
The last thing in the world that website is is unbiased. Accurate medical information goes far and beyond the piece that you posted, and without context and with your corresponding statements is incredibly dangerous and wrong. This is a natural health forum, where people come here for opinions based on 'natural health'. As opposed to doctors who are absolutely profit driven, don't provide information that is not only not accurate but results in many health problems with patients.

Rather than a profit making sales oriented web site whose aim is to make people think they need something then try to sell them it.
What website have I quoted like you that is trying to sell something to people that don't need? I haven't quoted any website. You have and you claimed it was from 'medical health professionals'. Your supposed medical health professionals have been killing people for years if not giving them many health problems in the interim of what is left of their half lived life. Your comments have been dangerously ignorant and completely contradict education and natural research findings. Your actual statement here describes to a tee why people have divorced themselves from doctors who are driven by big pharma and try to provide with a very destructive solution that profits them but that does nothing for the person.

(I still don't think you understand what the NHS is but that is ok).
Those generic 'medical health professional' websites are a dime a dozen, whether they have UK on the end of it is completely irrelevant. To be more specific, I took your copy and paste from the site, I took your comments and sorted out the context. The comments you were made were totally ignorant about types of iodine, pre-existing conditions and what it's been found to prevent.


Not that I am against natural remedies or people making their own decisions about their health. I have just seen many people get caught up in scams where they end up buying things at inflated prices they do not need because companies via high pressure sales tactics, make it sound as if they must have it at all costs.

I have never been an advocate for this. I have seen many totally garbage products that claim to do a 'cleanse' or a 'detox' when it's just a sales gimmick. Nothing beats a totally raw organic lifestyle with an abundance of exercise and God as a starter for good health, mentally and physically. I live this everyday and am a testimony to it. Beyond this, the supplements I take were for pre existing conditions as well to prevent further illnesses. I've done the research, I've seen other people's testimonies and have my own to go by. All my findings are completely independent of any kind of 'scam' or 'sales gimmick'. I would never in any good conscience make any statement otherwise. I'm sharing what I know to help others.



If a person suspects they have a medical problem or are likely to need preventative treatment, it would be better to have this confirmed by a qualified doctor first, then it is up to them as to what course of action to take treatment wise.
"A qualified doctor". That's a laugh. Qualified doctors by societies generic definition never gave me any solution to pre existing conditions nor gave me any advice on how to prevent diseases. Pushing drugs and saying 'there's nothing you can do" is the running theme of what those people have to say. It is negligent and I'm happy that I'm redeemed from what you suggested.

If only women sat around waiting for a 'qualified doctor' to confirm that they have cancer, and of course what treatment is going to be suggested? Chemo or radiation. What an irresponsible comment. The whole idea of natural health is 'prevention is the best cure' not "wait till you've been diagnosed by someone who knows what they're talking about/suits big pharma then follow them like a lamb with treatment that will ultimately kill you".

We have local libraries, universities, the internet, communities, a relationship with God, knowledge of our own mind and body to form our own understanding of what issues we're facing. We have the ability to educate ourselves, I'm not going to wait for a doctor to confirm that I need to be active in preventing cancer, or wait for them to 'confirm' and be validated by them about a pre existing condition.


So if you have too much iodine in your diet then at best it is expelled by the body as surplus, at worst it can be absorbed by the thyroid gland with the excess potentially causing problems. People need to be aware of this when deciding whether to buy it or not.

Judging by your history of posts that I've read through you don't have a raw organic lifestyle and you're on medication. You've also got preexisting conditions that don't seem to have been permanently dealt with.
You've made this assessment based on your particular body and its problems. What people need to be aware of, short of not drinking an entire bottle of iodine in one swoop, which is stating the obvious to me, is its complete and total benefits. Benefits from your original statements that you were totally unaware of and it would be sad for the audience to follow suit when it could not only help them but save lives. It is total ignorance to suggest this:

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People need to be aware of this when they read your posts about iodine and some generic misinformation you pull from a 'medical health professional' based website without context or prior knowledge about the mineral.
 

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I know some people here don't think so, you not being one of them, but I do respects a persons decision to make their own choices. I do when woman have abortions, as abhorrent I find that, and I respected my wife's decision to ignore my dietary advice when she got cancer, and I respect anyone's choice. I just put the info out there. People can decide themselves what to do with it. I just ask they consider what I write may have a possibility of having a biblical and scientific and spiritual basis. That they do the homework, as you did, even though we don't agree, before they say outright I am a quack, or wrong. I respect the way you went about it.
I just realized what I wrote didn't make much sense, For that I am sorry. But what I meant was that I don't think you have malicious intent. Sure, at times you can be a bit overbearing, but for the most part you present you ideas and suggestions and opinions and beliefs and let everyone else decide for themselves.
I suppose I could have just written that without the milk example lol
 

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It's on the internet, it's not just for the whole of the UK is for the whole world, regardless of where it was made.
The last thing in the world that website is is unbiased. Accurate medical information goes far and beyond the piece that you posted, and without context and with your corresponding statements is incredibly dangerous and wrong. This is a natural health forum, where people come here for opinions based on 'natural health'. As opposed to doctors who are absolutely profit driven, don't provide information that is not only not accurate but results in many health problems with patients.



What website have I quoted like you that is trying to sell something to people that don't need? I haven't quoted any website. You have and you claimed it was from 'medical health professionals'. Your supposed medical health professionals have been killing people for years if not giving them many health problems in the interim of what is left of their half lived life. Your comments have been dangerously ignorant and completely contradict education and natural research findings. Your actual statement here describes to a tee why people have divorced themselves from doctors who are driven by big pharma and try to provide with a very destructive solution that profits them but that does nothing for the person.



Those generic 'medical health professional' websites are a dime a dozen, whether they have UK on the end of it is completely irrelevant. To be more specific, I took your copy and paste from the site, I took your comments and sorted out the context. The comments you were made were totally ignorant about types of iodine, pre-existing conditions and what it's been found to prevent.





I have never been an advocate for this. I have seen many totally garbage products that claim to do a 'cleanse' or a 'detox' when it's just a sales gimmick. Nothing beats a totally raw organic lifestyle with an abundance of exercise and God as a starter for good health, mentally and physically. I live this everyday and am a testimony to it. Beyond this, the supplements I take were for pre existing conditions as well to prevent further illnesses. I've done the research, I've seen other people's testimonies and have my own to go by. All my findings are completely independent of any kind of 'scam' or 'sales gimmick'. I would never in any good conscience make any statement otherwise. I'm sharing what I know to help others.





"A qualified doctor". That's a laugh. Qualified doctors by societies generic definition never gave me any solution to pre existing conditions nor gave me any advice on how to prevent diseases. Pushing drugs and saying 'there's nothing you can do" is the running theme of what those people have to say. It is negligent and I'm happy that I'm redeemed from what you suggested.

If only women sat around waiting for a 'qualified doctor' to confirm that they have cancer, and of course what treatment is going to be suggested? Chemo or radiation. What an irresponsible comment. The whole idea of natural health is 'prevention is the best cure' not "wait till you've been diagnosed by someone who knows what they're talking about/suits big pharma then follow them like a lamb with treatment that will ultimately kill you".

We have local libraries, universities, the internet, communities, a relationship with God, knowledge of our own mind and body to form our own understanding of what issues we're facing. We have the ability to educate ourselves, I'm not going to wait for a doctor to confirm that I need to be active in preventing cancer, or wait for them to 'confirm' and be validated by them about a pre existing condition.





Judging by your history of posts that I've read through you don't have a raw organic lifestyle and you're on medication. You've also got preexisting conditions that don't seem to have been permanently dealt with.
You've made this assessment based on your particular body and its problems. What people need to be aware of, short of not drinking an entire bottle of iodine in one swoop, which is stating the obvious to me, is its complete and total benefits. Benefits from your original statements that you were totally unaware of and it would be sad for the audience to follow suit when it could not only help them but save lives. It is total ignorance to suggest this:

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People need to be aware of this when they read your posts about iodine and some generic misinformation you pull from a 'medical health professional' based website without context or prior knowledge about the mineral.
Wow !
I wrote the following hunorous on another thread, I don't see why I can't repeat it here.
Since it is political voting season...

I am JosephsDreams, and I support this message.
Paid for by friends of JosephsDreams and the blood of Jesus.

All kidding aside, Miri, it may not mean much to you, as you don't know me, but what LC wrote is dead on.
I have been doing this for 23 years. I have counseled a good number of people. I have seen results. True biological healings.
More important, my good friend has been doing this for 45 years, and he has counseled over 10,000 people. He has been eating completely 100% raw for over 45 years. And he IS a doctor. And he consults with doctors. And he worked at NYU for a time doing this. And he has, and I have been witness to it myself, many, many people getting healed because they changed their lifestyle.
So if unless you think I am not a reputable person, that I have have some selfish hidden agenda, at least consider what is being said here.
I am not trying to sell anything. I am putting this out here for free. I have said it before, and it is true, I get paid by people for a lot of the info I have posted on this site. I made a living doing it. Only because my wife died about 15 months ago and I am raising my two young girls I am not still doing it currently.
What is more important to you Miri, that you see a doctor, or you get results?
If Christianity did not work, if it did not produce the tangible results you have witnessed, would you do it?
I know you expect to hear this POV coming from me, but I am not dogmatic, I am only saying it because she is speaking the truth.

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
 

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I just realized what I wrote didn't make much sense, For that I am sorry. But what I meant was that I don't think you have malicious intent. Sure, at times you can be a bit overbearing, but for the most part you present you ideas and suggestions and opinions and beliefs and let everyone else decide for themselves.
I suppose I could have just written that without the milk example lol
No biggie at all. I appreciate your honesty and openess. We're cool brother!
 
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I agree JosephsDreams, you provide some very good information that is factual and I can support. The truth hurts, it's time we stop being PC about being fat and take accountability for it. I used to be fat and for the last 2 years have eaten better and taken control over my own health. I am way healthier now and not obese. People who are lighting JD up need to stop if it offends you ignore his posts, don't hinder information that could help others or inform them of good health choices....JD keep posting my man! I'm always willing to learn new health and especially natural tricks to help my health.
 
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Wow !
I wrote the following hunorous on another thread, I don't see why I can't repeat it here.
Since it is political voting season...

I am JosephsDreams, and I support this message.
Paid for by friends of JosephsDreams and the blood of Jesus.

All kidding aside, Miri, it may not mean much to you, as you don't know me, but what LC wrote is dead on.
I have been doing this for 23 years. I have counseled a good number of people. I have seen results. True biological healings.
More important, my good friend has been doing this for 45 years, and he has counseled over 10,000 people. He has been eating completely 100% raw for over 45 years. And he IS a doctor. And he consults with doctors. And he worked at NYU for a time doing this. And he has, and I have been witness to it myself, many, many people getting healed because they changed their lifestyle.
So if unless you think I am not a reputable person, that I have have some selfish hidden agenda, at least consider what is being said here.
I am not trying to sell anything. I am putting this out here for free. I have said it before, and it is true, I get paid by people for a lot of the info I have posted on this site. I made a living doing it. Only because my wife died about 15 months ago and I am raising my two young girls I am not still doing it currently.
What is more important to you Miri, that you see a doctor, or you get results?
If Christianity did not work, if it did not produce the tangible results you have witnessed, would you do it?
I know you expect to hear this POV coming from me, but I am not dogmatic, I am only saying it because she is speaking the truth.

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free."


Sorry to to hear about your wife, that must be really hard to deal with.:(


Maybe it's the difference in the way different countries work.

Laurie by the way, doctors are not profit driven in the Uk, they get a salary like
anyone else doing a job. There are private doctors but the vast majority work
for the NHS and get a salary.

Also it is common when you go to see your own family doctor in the UK, that they
will discuss diet and lifestyle with you where appropriate. The majority of family
doctor surgeries (I think you refer to them as doctor's offices) also run regular
weight loss clinics, stop smoking clinics, etc.

Also at various milestones you are invited for a full health check up, free of
charge so my last one was at 40 for example. The NHS is as much concerned
with prevention as it is cure. Where it seems people may have a genetic
predisposition to certain types of cancer for example, they can have free
genetic testing etc.

Im not against anyone having a healthy diet at all and I have one too.
I have also seen people doing things which harm them due to taking supplements
they think will do them good, but which can cause more harm than good.

Just one example, I know a fantastic lady who is 86, and has followed
an organic healthy diet most of her adult life. She is also a Christian and
fasts for up to 40 days at a time having nothing but bottled water and
organic fruit juices.

She goes to a well known health food chain in the UK for advice if she
feels ill. Last year they suggested she took a potassium supplement as it
sounded as though she was low in potassium. But it later caused her
potassium levels to get way too high which could have been fatal, as
without realising it she had some age impaired kidney function.

Another person I know (sorry I can't remember the item now) started taking
some sort of supplement for tiredness and she ended up in accident and
emergency with bad palpitations caused by the thing she was taking.

If someone urged me to give up diary and expressed the benefits and I was
gullible enough to try it, then I could end up having fits.

So while it's not wrong to share experiences and what a person found works
for them on a public forum, and I completely understand the reason for this forum.
I think it can be quiet dangerous for someone to come on a public forum,
suggest they are qualified to do so via experience or qualifications etc and
to urge unknown faceless people on the Internet, to follow a specific dietary
regime. We have no way of verifying if that person is experienced and
qualified to give out that kind of advice or not - and besides even if they
were, they do not know the medical history of the person they are speaking
to, what other things they may be taking how they interact etc.

So say for example if someone came on here and said they were a doctor and
were urging people to do this or that, then it could be quite dangerous.

Incidentally JD I know you are not claiming to be a doctor, but it's just
something to bare in mind. :) What if you urged a person to try something,
claimed you knew what you were talking about, had years of experience dealing
with that scenerio, kept pressing a person to try something, they do so but
it ends up doing more harm than good or they are allergic to it and became
very ill - I'm not sure of the legality of such a scenerio but maybe they could
sue you?

Laura you seem to think I am attacking your life style, I'm not but what
is right for one person is not necessarily right for another and having
read through some of the threads, others have expressed the same
thing.

Im not sure what the set up is like in other countries, but in the UK if a person
has problems with diet, or dietary related conditions, diabeties is just one
example. Then they are referred free of charge to a fully qualified trained
dietician, who will also have access to that person's medical records to see what
they might be on and what conditions they have. Based on a face to face assessment
of them plus their medical records, then specific tailored dietary advice is
given, including what foods to eat to obtain what vitamins minerals they
need and if they want to try supplemental items, to set out the benefits and or
drawbacks and check on any interactions.

This to me sounds a far safer way of doing things.

But hey if you have found something which works for you then great, but it's
important that other people are aware of the need to check things out for
themselves, rather than just try a supplement because another person urges
them to give it a go and also that they understand the possible disadvantages
as well as the possible advantages and the interactions they may have
with anything else.
 

JosephsDreams

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Well, I will start first with the legalities. I don't diagnose anyone, never had, never will. I am not qualified to do that. And while anyone can sue anyone for just about anything here in the states, if I did get sued, it is very unlikely it would go very far. It might even be, in fact a good chance it would be, thrown out of court, due to lack of merit.
I am not a lawyer, but I did take paralegal in college and I know a lot of lawyers from my days owning another business in NYC, and I have discussed this with them in detail. I also had to have insurance just in case...
To just sum up how a court here would generally view it; I am not held to the standard that doctors are, and I make no guarantees about about any dietary advice as being 100% fool proof. If you notice my statements are usually fairly general, as in a better diet will improve your health, or if you have cancer, doing a diet like this can improve your chances of survival, etc. No one could challenge that in a scientific medical manner that would allow them to prevail in a court. First, from a moral standpoint, I would never mislead anyone about what the possibility are for a recovery, and I never say that if they do this or that, they will definitely recover. Second, I never diagnose. I can't not only from a legal standpoint, and from a ethical standpoint it would also be a disservice to any clients of mine. If you told me you had constant headaches, and I said, oh, this is your problem, then you could take me to court in good standing. If you told me you had headaches and I said you need to get a medical diagnoses and then you came back to me with a diagnoses of lets say, not mold in your system, then I could move on without any legal entanglements.
Nothing is done in a vacuum. If someone is under a doctors care, I can't, and I won't even try to supersede what they are doing with their doctor. So you say if I told someone to do this or that and they had allergies here on this site, that is a statement which is a good example. If you has said that if I told someone to take supplements (like St. Johns Wort for instance, which has interactions and contradictions with a lot of drugs) and it caused them a problem, that would hold a little more water, but not even that much. Here is why. From a dietary standpoint, eating raw and vegan is fairly innocuous. If someone is allergic to oranges less say, and they know that, well obviously I don't need to tell them to stay away from oranges, they already know that. I don't think any court anywhere is going to hold me responsible for that. A court is just going to come to a natural assumption that I am not suggesting anyone eat anything contrary known to cause them adverse effects. Besides that, what I am suggesting in the way of diet actually improves ones chances of being allergy free, btw. As far as supplement, they are not meds, and are available without a prescription. If someone comes onto the health forum and says they can't sleep at night, what should they do, and I say try Valerian, and God forbid they go into anaphylactic shock and they die, even then the chance of them getting anything done in court are nil because of a lot of legal factors I have mentioned above and will below, and some that I have not. Of course the chances of that happening with the proper dosage of Valerian are close to zero, and I would not recommend anything that was dangerous...
If they are on meds, while I have a pretty good idea of what meds do what and what the interactions are, I will tell them consult with your doctor about taking so and so supplements. As far as getting a doctors okay with diet, in most cases, not all, one example of a dietary exception being someone who has had a transplant can't eat grapefruit, but in most cases, changing their diet is not going to interfere with their meds. What often does happen is that as they progress with biological healing, their blood work will show improvements. The client will often feel better. They will often ask me, do you think I can stop or decrease my meds? I won't touch that with a 10 foot pole. I tell them to do as there doctor says, that he is the one authorized to prescribe and manipulate the meds, not me. But frankly, many clients have been given the okay by their doctors to decrease or even go off their meds in some instances, because their blood work is so good, and they feel so good. Some clients have been told by their doctors don't go off, and they have anyway, going against their doctors advice. I tell them I don't think it is a great idea, I don't encourage them to disobey their doctors, but some just feel good enough that they just go off their meds and as long as they stay the course, they never need them again. I have had conversations with doctors that have asked me what did I have their patient do? Most are very skeptical or tell me it can't be, But some have adopted it in their practices, calling me sometimes for advice. They have told me it works wonders. One quit and became a ND in the way of treatment because of what she saw. I have known some fo them for many years because of their belief in diet and lifestyle,. I have witnessed all that I am telling you, either from my own experiences or with my friend I mentioned in the previous post.
When it comes to changing diet with people who are sick, the trick of it for me is to understand where the client is at with the endogenous materials in their bodies. This is not a diagnosis, because I am not determining what a medical issue is, but rather there general state of dietary being. In cancer, it is particularly crucial, because when they change their diet around, one has to be aware of the interaction with chemo and/or radiation, and maybe even more importantly the measuring of the detox due to a better, diet. Believe it or not, a person can actually die if to many toxins due to the detox are spilling into their blood to quickly. It is very unusual, but that can happen.
Also, where A LOT of people go wrong is that when they change their diets around, many times due to how intoxicated they are with so much junk and poison (and it is a poison to the body) from their lifestyle over the decades, they feel worse then before, sometimes for maybe weeks or even months. But what they don't realize is that the outward symptoms for biological healing are/can be the same as the symptoms as when they are ill. Same symptoms, but the body is going in reverse directions.
But I am digressing. Getting back to the legal stuff.
I have said for a long time western medicine is a God send for diagnosis. The tools for this are very sophisticated, and it has saved many lives. It has helped me in my helping clients. Western medicine is also fantastic for trauma. Meds have saved a lot of lives, and I believe that if ones life is in danger, take the meds. The goal is twofold here. To live and survive, and to have a quality of life. So meds to save life, yes. Meds as a way to live, not if one can avoid that. There are to many side effects for meds that dramatically decrease quality of life, and shorten life spans. I know some people can't of their mess. That is a sad fact. Those people that come to me, I lay it out. But even sometimes they can decrease the meds, and improve their overall health if they follow the guidelines I put forth. You can believe me or not, there are more people who can get off their meds with a proper diet then need to stay on. For chronic disease, and acute disease, and prevention, western medicine leaves a lot to be desired.
The other thing about doing this over the net for free is that again, the court holds my advice to a even lower standard. There was no monies transactions, and no representation of expectations. There is no verbal or written legal contract of services promised, performance, etc.
Anyway, I know that was a very long explanation that segwayed into other areas, but that is about the gist of the legalities of it.
So anyone here, please don't sue me ! ;) It will almost definitely go nowhere. Any lawyers here can probably attest to that. You'll just be wasting your time and money, and mine to.

As to your friend, there is the example of someone not qualified doing the diagnosing. They assumed she was low on potassium, and they advised her to take supplements. She should have had blood work done first, And it sounds like she took to much also.
Certain supplements can be dangerous in higher levels. People need to be aware of what they are doing. They either need to ask a doctor, or some other qualified health care person, and/or do their own homework.
About your dairy. The guidelines for diet that I put out there are general. Of course for specific needs it is tailored to suit. But even then, the fundamentals always remain the same. If you told me your medical issues, I would ask about any dietray restrictions, in many cases, I would know about them, but I would ask anyway. If you knew you needed dairy, and assuming I did not realize that, and you did not mention it, well...
As far as being dangerous, I hope you don't mind if I say your on shaky ground with that statement. Prescription meds are FAR more dangerous then food. In the US about, I forget the exact numbers, but about 100,000 people die a year due to prescription meds usage. This is verified. And in most cases it is people using them as prescribed. So what is more dangerous, eating a diet that will improve your health, or meds?
To be blunt, I don't know of one person that has died because they improves their diet, do you?
This is where I think sometimes it is a stretch and is based more on emotional then logical arguments. I am not saying you, I don't know either way, but I have seen it time and again, and discussed it with clients many times. Many people, maybe most people, know deep down that they usually have nothing to lose and all to gain by improving their diets. Most people can see the cause and effect with food just with simple weight gain and loss. Just because when they eat something they realize that made me tired, like turkey can, or that stimulated me, like coffee. But in reality, many people can't do the dietary guidelines that induces biological healing. So they resist in their minds, making up reasons why it won't work. Making rational that they know deep down may be shaky, but it takes away the responsibility factor of ownership of their own health. It is a lot easier for them, mentally and emotionally to to do that. If they admit that diet can play a major role in disease, and then don't do anything about it, they have to deal with the emotions of guilt, and lack of responsibility.
Anyway, supplements have their place, but it is not the focus of what I do. I have seen many people heal without taking a single supplement. Conversely, some people need other modalities like Oxygen therapy, herbs, essential oils, flowers, infra red, and so on.
Well, I hope this helps clarify some things.
 
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Miri

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JD just curious, but if you suggest someone cuts out dairy, presumably you
mean all milk, cheese, yoghurt. Then which other source would they get their
dairy from.

In my case the parathyroid glands no longer function at their normal levels, they
are responsible for maintaining the calcium blood levels and subsequently phosphate
levels in the body. I could spend hours sat under a cow drinking milk and my body
will not absorb the full amount of calcium as my para thyroid glands do not tell it to.
Thats a simplified way of putting it.

So I have to take prescribed calcium and Vit D supplements at morning and night just
to keep my blood calcium levels up. The tablets provide me with 1.5 times the
adult daily requirement, but even that is not enough as I also have to make sure my
diet is high in calcium. So on average I probably have about 2.5 times the adult
daily requirement of calcium every day just to keep my blood calcium levels up for
that day.


If I just do something simple like not have cereal for breakfast 3 days running (with
the associated milk of yoghurt) my toes and fingers start to experience cramping.
Any longer and I get calf muscles cramping up.

The other year I started having fruit/ water based smoothies for breakfast and
didnt give it another thought, until I had leg cramps so bad that I was
in agony for maybe an hour at a time, as soon as I switched to milk based smoothies,
the cramps eased off over a couple of days.

Low blood calcium can also cause problems with the electrical impulses in the body
including how the brain works, so you get brain fog. balance problems, muscle
spasms, at certain low levels fits occur. Then there is the long term risk of
osteoporosis as the body begins to leach calcium from the skeleton in an attempt
to increase the blood calcium levels.

So I was just curious what other source of dairy do you use which has equivalent
calcium levels to dairy?
 

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Unfortunately, as you know, as you in fact did explain, you have issues with maintaining normal functioning mineral levels.
I am only somewhat familiar with your problem, the parathyroid gland, having some experience with it, but not enough to advise properly with enough confidence. I can speak only in a general sense in that I do have some experience with hyper and hypo thyroidism, and I can tell you that they can be addressed with herbs and diet, but it takes a long time, a very strict diet of mostly fruits for around 8 months to a year. I can tell you I know someone who was under the supervision of a nutritionist (not me) and a herbalist, and she did come to be healed. She was around her late 40's when this happened. I know that doesn't directly answer your inquiry, but that is the best I can do at this time. I do know what herbs she was taking, but again, I understand I am speaking of related but yet another health issue.
I am going to speak to my doctor friend, the ND I know in NYC and ask him what he thinks, if you don't mind. I know you must do what you will, and I respect that, but frankly, I am curious myself, and I will relay the info to you.
As far as calcium levels, there is a lot of misunderstanding about this, as well as Vit B12 levels among the general public regarding vegans and raw foodists.
The factors of calcium is two fold. One is that people either don't know, or have heard it maybe once or twice before, is that the co-key is actually not just the amount of calcium you ingest, but just as important is how much you absorb.
The other factor is the quality of calcium absorbed. If I could influence people to remember maybe three main things about diet and health, I would say these are the three.
Remember, while these apply to everyone, and I do mean everybody, there are nuances and variations depending on the individual.
1- It is what you leave out of your diet that promotes biological healing.
2- Processed foods are a disaster.
3- The benefits of a particular food must be considered against the negative factors.

So yes, milk has calcium, and calcium is probably, as far as science currently knows, the most important mineral in the body, or one of the most crucial. But the absorption rate of calcium in milk is relatively poor. Milk also, as I wrote in another thread about 2 weeks ago, has a lot of elements in it that is damaging to the body, In my opinion, and in the opinion of just about any nutritionist milk is a food with a minus rating, meaning that it does more harm then good. I am not going to get into it here, as far as to what the damaging aspects of milk are, like I said, I wrote about it on another thread.
So as a nutritionist, I would not recommend milk or dairy to most people. Maybe not even you, but I am not sure, as again, this is something I am not as well versed with as I never had anyone with this. So it may be you have to drink milk, ingest diary, but I am leaning to no, but I won't know until I talk to my doctor friend.
So I am not going to look at my old notes, or check it out on the internet, so I don't know the exact numbers, but a head of broccoli contains more absorbable calcium then milk does. Almonds have a fair amount of calcium, as well as hemp, and amaranth and other vegan plant based foods.
The other thing about milk, and why is is such a unhealthy food is that IT ACTUALLY PROMOTES BONE LOSS. Very briefly, milk, as all animal products, is acidic. Our bodies proper PH is in the alkaline range of around 7.2. So when we eat to many acidic foods, like animal products, and grains to name two mainstays, we are throwing the PH balance off. To counter that, the body leeches calcium (calcium being alkaline) from our bones in a effort to balance the PH back to a alkaline level. Enough of that, and you have bone density loss.