Gnostic Christianity ? met Jesus in a coma dieing from an overdose. Changed everythin

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Yes there was a lot of rubbish I read. It wasn't all written by one person, just as the Bible wasn't all written by one person. Most often contradicting stories, not unlike the Bible.

Their view of God was interesting. God being The All, kind of like the container, ineffable, unidentifiable. I can understand why they might say the God of the OT was an archangel. Doesn't sound like the God I know either.

Does your God send evil spirits to torment people? Does your God give children tumours?

It's almost like, God is Love, God is Evil, depending on which side you take. But since Jesus was more about love, people who follow the old God and not love, are not truly Christian.

To me, the New Testament was a replacement of the Old Testament, as a fulfilment of the law. But to many you have to see both as equally important. I somehow find that hard to observe, as do many intelligent scholars who observe the differences.

Samson and Delilah for example, having studied it, it is now obvious to me that it was a story, and not fact. And yet around me Christians would speak of such as if it was a factual event. On closer observation it's a story/fable. If anything the motivation for the story, was not to cut your hair short. Simple as that.

I stand up for being open minded and being able to make up your own mind on something. But even Hitler would agree that you should burn the books that are heretical to your own belief system. And even the strict Muslims would agree with controlling what people do and evening chopping off the limb that deceives them (which happens to be Biblical too). People aren't allowed to make up their own minds it seems. A bit like 'bad parenting'.

God is in my heart, God is in all our hearts, regardless of which organisation of truth, and then translation of that truth, and then doctrine of that truth, designed by men you follow. They want you to believe God is never in your heart until you submit to their religion. Each religion has a submission statement.

I say be loving towards others and to yourself, love your neighbour.

And do you subscribe that the creator of earth was something called "the demiurge"?

And what about this gnostic text?
"Second Treatise of the Great Seth is an apocryphal Gnostic writing discovered in the Codex VII of the Nag Hammadi codices and dates to around the third century. The author is unknown, and the Seth referenced in the title appears nowhere in the text. Instead Seth is thought to reference the third son of Adam and Eve to whom gnosis was first revealed, according to some gnostics. The author appears to belong to a group of gnostics who maintain that Jesus Christ was not crucified on the cross. Instead the text says that Simon of Cyrene was mistaken for Jesus and crucified in his place. Jesus is described as standing by and "laughing at their ignorance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Treatise_of_the_Great_Seth

This is the "absolute rubbish" you should be referring to.
 
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I can understand why they might say the God of the OT was an archangel. Doesn't sound like the God I know either.

Does your God send evil spirits to torment people? Does your God give children tumours?

It's almost like, God is Love, God is Evil, depending on which side you take. But since Jesus was more about love, people who follow the old God and not love, are not truly Christian.

To me, the New Testament was a replacement of the Old Testament, as a fulfilment of the law. But to many you have to see both as equally important. I somehow find that hard to observe, as do many intelligent scholars who observe the differences.
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and then doctrine of that truth, designed by men you follow. They want you to believe God is never in your heart until you submit to their religion. Each religion has a submission statement.
You have a faith issue, you have an understanding issue. You want God to be all loving all the time, when the reality is he is Good all the time, even if that means delivering punishments for the greater Good. Since you can't come to terms with a God that punishes (What do you think happens in revelation btw), you have accepted false doctrines and beliefs that let allow you to believe whatever you want to believe ignorant to the Truth.

I really don't have to argue with you too much because you keep exposing how wrong you are with things like this.
 
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pckts

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and then doctrine of that truth, designed by men you follow. They want you to believe God is never in your heart until you submit to their religion. Each religion has a submission statement.
Why are you bringing the institution into a discussion about the content of The Bible? Your imagination and misunderstandings have run wild.

And thanks for proving my point the gnostics undermine the validity of The Bible
 
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Adstar

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Gnostic Christianity, opinions ideas? God does do miracles, talks with us and visions dreams etc. Is it safe to talk about this stuff hear. By the Way I really love Jesus, Holy spirit and father God. I met Jesus personally while in a coma dieing from an overdose. He Is amazing and has changed everything inside me and everything about my purpose here on earth. I simply love God and can't get enough of him.
Your talking about two completely different topics .. Gnostsim is a seperate issue from Visions and Dreams...

Gnostsim is a heretical belief system which i reject..

But i have had dreams from God.. So i have no problems with dreams and visions...
 

Monnkai

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Welcome to CC! I'd be interested to hear your whole story. Would you perhaps share it in the testimony section (If you haven't already)
 
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Welcome to Christian Chat, Het. :)

I've read some gnostic texts before. I think the important thing to remember is that they are not Scripture. When it comes to Scripture I think 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is important to remember.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 reads,

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

We can rely on Scripture because it is God-breathed, meaning it comes from God, and thus is true. If you depart from this you are departing from Scripture.

If anyone is having trouble reconciling the Old Testament with the New Testament or understanding why God did or allowed something I suggest they visit gotquestions.org as they have a lot of question and answer articles dedicated to answering difficult questions.
 
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We can rely on Scripture because it is God-breathed, meaning it comes from God, and thus is true.
If anyone is having doubts about this I suggest they read Hebrews 6:17-18.

Hebrews 6:17-18 reads,

17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.

God does not lie, He is holy, lying is contrary to who He is. We can trust Scripture because it comes from Him.


 
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MichaelOwen

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Malachi 3:6 "I am the Lord: I change not." Welcome to CC Het, hope you enjoy it here and feel welcomed, there are a lot of fellow believers. Remember one thing, when it comes to Spiritual things, (capitalized for the Holy Spirit), seek and read God's word, don't believe what man can tell you, his words are fallible. God's word is everlasting and always true. God is a God of love and peace and understanding and mercy, but remember, he has a wrath too. He does not condone sin, and when we do sin against him, there will be punishment, but it's a righteous punishment that will reprove us and help us and direct us. I cannot say that I have had dreams or visions, but I've had experiences where God carried me through some things I don't think I could have made it out of just on my own. I've let God down, we all have, we've all sinned and come short of the glory of God, but I'm so thankful he forgives me and opens his arms to me and helps carry me through the darkest of storms in this life. It's a blessing to know you brother :)
 

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Gnostic Christianity, opinions ideas? God does do miracles, talks with us and visions dreams etc. Is it safe to talk about this stuff hear. By the Way I really love Jesus, Holy spirit and father God. I met Jesus personally while in a coma dieing from an overdose. He Is amazing and has changed everything inside me and everything about my purpose here on earth. I simply love God and can't get enough of him.
Believing in the miracles, visions, dreams is not Gnosticism. Is the feast of Pentecost manifested in men through the baptism of Holy Spirit.

We may be accused of being gnostic but it's error.

Its safe, there are many here.

But, there will be those who will debate it with you.

Welcome. I will enjoy hearing of your journey. :)
 
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He does not condone sin
No He does not. We can find salvation through Jesus and His shed blood on the cross though. Our Savior is great. :)

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If anyone is having doubts about this I suggest they read Hebrews 6:17-18.

Hebrews 6:17-18 reads,

17 Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, he confirmed it with an oath.18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.

God does not lie, He is holy, lying is contrary to who He is. We can trust Scripture because it comes from Him.
There is also Numbers 23:19.

Numbers 23:19,

19 ​God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
 

Zus

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Your talking about two completely different topics .. Gnostsim is a seperate issue from Visions and Dreams...

Gnostsim is a heretical belief system which i reject..

But i have had dreams from God.. So i have no problems with dreams and visions...
How do you know where your dreams come from?
2 COR 11:12-15
12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.†
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.