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You use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was god in the flash but Jesus was going against the laws given by god.
After Jesus death Christianity was outlawed all over the Roman Empire. Christians were persecuted, killed, and crucified; that’s cause Christianity to become swayed into Roman’s influence.
First of all, your English isn't very good, so it isn't always easy to understand your questions.

Second, I do not use the Old Testament to prove that Jesus was God in flesh. If you read and obey the teachings of Jesus, you come to understand that he is God in flesh.

The world hated Jesus and God, and always will. That is because the world is ruled by Satan.

Actually, though, in the fourth century Christianity became the religion of Rome.
 
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Actually you don’t understand me because you aren’t use to my question.
The Old Testament proves that there is only ONE GOD maybe you should read it.
The world did not hated Jesus the world hated Christians after they become powerful enough to persecute others.
What was happening to Christians UNTIL the fourth century?
I believe that Christianity changed from the time of Jesus until Christianity becomes the official Roman religion.
 
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You use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was god in the flash but Jesus was going against the laws given by god.
After Jesus death Christianity was outlawed all over the Roman Empire. Christians were persecuted, killed, and crucified; that’s cause Christianity to become swayed into Roman’s influence.
And by the way, Jesus was not against God’s laws:

Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. Matt 5:17 RSV
 
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Actually you don’t understand me because you aren’t use to my question.
The Old Testament proves that there is only ONE GOD maybe you should read it.
The world did not hated Jesus the world hated Christians after they become powerful enough to persecute others.
What was happening to Christians UNTIL the fourth century?
I believe that Christianity changed from the time of Jesus until Christianity becomes the official Roman religion.
Yes, there is just one God, but that one God chose to come to earth as a human being. That human being was Jesus Christ. I’ve read the Old Testament several times.

The world hated (and still hates) Jesus and those of us who follow Jesus:

[18] "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.
[19] If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. John 15:18-19 RSV

The world began killing Christians right from the start. Many Christians were martyred in the first three centuries and sometimes they are still martyred. Some Muslims kill Christians every chance they get, don’t they?
 

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Actually you don’t understand me because you aren’t use to my question.
The Old Testament proves that there is only ONE GOD maybe you should read it.
The world did not hated Jesus the world hated Christians after they become powerful enough to persecute others.
What was happening to Christians UNTIL the fourth century?
I believe that Christianity changed from the time of Jesus until Christianity becomes the official Roman religion.
Zohar,

Much of your English is very good. However, the last clause in your last sentence in your previous post “...that’s cause Christianity to become swayed into Roman’s influence”....does not make sense.

I believe that you may have made a mistake here: if a person says he is a Christian, his statement does not make him a Christian. Some people say that they are Christians but in reality they are very ugly. In World War I, millions of German soldiers wore the words “Gott mit uns” engraved on their belt buckles. That did not make them Christians.

Zohar, people call themselves Christians as a matter of convenience....to win an election, to gain followers and popularity or to get donations (money). Indeed, many ISIS followers in Syria/Iraq say that they are Muslims, but they go around beheading children, women and old people though the Muslim religion is said to be one of peace.

Constantine became emperor of the Roman Empire in the early fourth century AD and later became a “Christian”. Persecution of Christians officially stopped and there was religious toleration. Whether Constantine was a true Christian or used Christianity to gain followers, we do not know. It is very possible that many pagans who were persecuting others became “Christians” and continued their abuse of others.

The Old Testament in no way proves God, nor does the New. The Old and New Testaments are the inspired word of God. But God wants us to believe in His existence through Faith. As Martin Luther stated (from Romans) “justification by faith”. No, God cannot be proven as a scientist would prove something by cooking his theory in a test tube over a Bunsen burner. God does not explain Himself to us because we would never understand. How do you explain Einstein’s theory of relativity to a protozoa or an ameba?

I do not believe that Satan rules the world but he does have the control over the minds of many people. Just look at the wars that we have had since Cain killed Abel. The world is a battlefield where Good and Evil are at war. We humans were born with sin but through Jesus Christ we have the chance of communing with God in Heaven for eternity because of Christ’s crucifiction.

Zohar, you have made a grave error. Just because a person says he is a Christian does not make him a Christian. Only one person who physically lived in this world was a true Christian and that was Jesus Christ. There is evil lurking everywhere in this world. Yes, read both the New and Old Testaments because they are the inspired word of God. There you will see many examples of the good and evil that have happened in the past.

All of us have much to learn....from the Bible, from our daily experiences and from each other.....and from God through prayer. Perhaps, it was the Apostle Paul who summed it all up: “Jesus Christ and Him crucified”....Amen! “Now abideth faith, hope and love these three, but the greatest is love.” In Heaven there will no longer be need of faith and hope....just God’s Love.

Zohar, I really advise that you find a Bible teaching church to attend and join or start a Bible study group. Best Wishes.
 
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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
 

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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.

Hi Zohar,

So you think you're a Christian because you don't want to be Muslim or Jewish? Jesus says you must be born-again........born from above. In other words, you need to become born spiritually speaking.

We all are dead in our sins and separated from the love of God because we are a sinful people and God is a holy God. Jesus says, "I am the way the truth and the life. No man can come to the father, but by me."

Jesus needs to become your Lord and Savior. You need to repent of your sins and be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and find a church that teaches the bible. One can't choose to say I'm a Christian and he is one.

We must be born again because there's no one righteous, we've all sinned and we can't save ourself. We need Jesus's sacrifice to cover us and to atone for our sins. If you'd like some bible verses, I'd be happy to share them with you.
 

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Also, Zohar - Hitler claimed to be a Christian, but he wasn't. If we're born again, we will produce fruits of righteousness and Hitler had none. He was an evil dictator and murderer.
 

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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
Hitler a Christian? Absolutely not! Sending his armies to kill others? Christians abide by the Ten Commandments. On April 9, 1945 he personally had Dietrich Bonhoeffer executed. Bonhoeffer was a famous pastor who was indeed a Christian. I have read some of his books.

After Hitler took power in Jan. 1933, he wanted more support from the protestant churches in Germany. So he formed the Protestant Reich Church and many churches joined this Nazi sponsored church. In opposition to Hitler numerous churches formed the Bekennende Kirche and soon many of these ministers were jailed. Bonhoeffer was hanged.

Zohar, in my last posting you seem not to understand that anyone can call himself a Christian: a murderer, a thief, a president and so on in order be liked by others. In reality he is an evil crook. Don’t be so naive as to believe everything you read or hear.

I believe that there is a final judgment after we leave this life at which time we will be responsible for every action - good or bad- that we took while in this world. It will be Christ who will be our advocate. If we deny Him here, now.....will He deny us at that final judgment? Each of us will have to answer that question for himself.
 

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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head;
Why do Muslims hate so much the Christians? What is it that they can't stand? The belief in the Trinity and the belief that Jesus Christ is both man and god? These two are the fundamentals of christianity.

that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
You became Christian because Muslims kill Christians? You mean you prefer to be asociated with Christians rather than with Muslims?
 
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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
I don't think Hitler was a Christian. I read that his mother was a Christian and raised him in a Catholic Church. That didn't make him a Christian. His actions were about as anti-Christian as you can get.
 
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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
Hitler probably saw the church as an enemy, but he might have called himself a Christian so as not to alienate the church.
 

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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
Muslims are specifically instructed to do that in their so-called holy book. On the other hand, Christians are exhorted to love their enemies. There is a huge difference between doing what you are supposed to in following the dictates of your "religion" (Islam = killing outsiders, and those who refuse to submit, whereas Christians are commanded not to murder, and to love our enemies, as already stated).

Also, Hitler was a liar who would say anything to attain his goals. It is true he was raised in a Catholic home, but that does not make him a Christian any more than had he been raised in a barn would have made him a cow.
 
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I know what Muslims thinking about Christians they don't value Christian's or Jewish’s life. I may not be a good Christian but I’ll never go back to practice the Muslim religion of “love”
I also cannot go back to Egypt because I fear of retaliation from my own family.
 
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Of course Muslims kills and cut Christian's head; that is way i identify myself as a Christian.
However Christians also committed crimes against other; Hitler for example was a Christian.
If Hitler claimed to be a Christian,it would be a deception to attain some kind of benefit,or power,for doing so,which it could be what got him elected,and also seeing Italy was an ally,he might of wanted the power of the Roman Catholic Church on his side,all the people that were part of it,for he knew that they sure liked to put a good beat down on people that were against them,for them being on Hitler's side,and he could persuade them he was doing right,and beneficial,he might of thought look at all that power,but of course I do not believe he would of wanted a Christian world,unless it was called Christianity,but based on the occult.

I believe it was a deception to get the support of the Christians,and to get a start in power,and control,but when obtained enough power establish more what he wanted,and really wanted to establish an occult world,whether he called it Christian or not.

But Alice Bailey,the biggest prophet of the new age movement,was a fundamental Christian,turned to the occult,but still claimed the Bible,and reinterpreted the Bible according to the occult,so she would be an occult Christian,for clarification,although it is a contradiction,like hypocritical Christian is a contradiction,and she looked at Lucifer as the helper of this world,that will help mankind achieve world peace,as soon as the nations agree to cooperate with each other to try to achieve peace on earth,and wrote during the time of Hitler about the coming one world government,one world religious system,and the appearing of the New Age Christ.

Go straight to the horses mouth,for anything you want to know about the new age movement,go to her website lucistrust,org,which is a website to sell her books she wrote,of course you do not need to know it in that much detail,but know it is of the devil,and God warns us of it in 1 Timothy 4:1-5 that would occur in the latter times.

Before they establish peace in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians,and the ten horn kingdom begin,and the unified religions begin,they must somehow get the ball rolling to get people to think there is power in the occult,and that the Bible is of the occult,and fundamental Christian interpretation is wrong,and they have no power to help the world.

Is Trump a set up,and will he be ousted from office,and the witches prevailed,and the Christians had no power against them,to get the ball rolling towards the occult,for they will say,where is their God,like they said to Jesus on the cross,where is your God,but the prayers of the saints will not prevail,for God is allowing the world to have their way,and they do not even know it,but think they are getting the upper hand.

Hitler claiming to be a Christian does not mean he is a Christian according to the Bible,but some people interpret the Bible differently,which Hitler wanted to establish the millennial Reich,and I believe Hitler was an occultist,like good ole' Alice Bailey,saying you will be like gods through the power of nature.

lucistrust.org,take of Lucifer.

There are comments on the World Wide Web claiming that the Lucis Trust was once called the Lucifer Trust. Such was never the case. However, for a brief period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.Both “Lucifer” and “Lucis” come from the same word root, lucis being the Latin generative case meaning of light. The Baileys' reasons for choosing the original name are not known to us, but we can only surmise that they, like the great teacher H.P. Blavatsky, for whom they had enormous respect, sought to elicit a deeper understanding of the sacrifice made by Lucifer. Alice and Foster Bailey were serious students and teachers of Theosophy, a spiritual tradition which views Lucifer as one of the solar Angels, those advanced Beings Who Theosophy says descended (thus “the fall”) from Venus to our planet eons ago to bring the principle of mind to what was then animal-man. In the theosophical perspective, the descent of these solar Angels was not a fall into sin or disgrace but rather an act of great sacrifice, as is suggested in the name “Lucifer” which means light-bearer.

That is Alice Bailey's view on Lucifer,who was married to a freemason,and said there is an inner circle and an outer circle of freemasonry,and the inner circle is the true Church,which all secret societies could be considered the inner circle,and all occult groups that have their inner circle,and their outer circle,and the inner circle is considered the elite,and her husband was obviously part of the inner circle,for he supported her occult writings.

But she claimed the Bible as having esoteric knowledge,and had respect for H.P. Balvatsky,who said,Satan is both God and the devil,so Hitler claiming to be Christian does not mean anything,but a means to get power,and control,but he would push forth his occult ways any time he can jab and punch,and get away with it,if he succeeded enough.
 
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Of course Hitler wasn't a good Christian but he baptizes as a Roman catholic.
 
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Muslims gave people two options; become a Muslim or die.
 

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Of course Hitler wasn't a good Christian but he baptizes as a Roman catholic.
Infant baptism is not Biblical. A person is supposed to repent and believe
and THEN get baptised. A baby is baptised by the will of its parents,
not its own self. Being brought up in a Christian household does not
make one a Christian. Many atheists who were brought up in
Christian homes will tell you so :)
 
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That's makes sense; Muslims don’t get to decide.