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MichVando

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Mar 11, 2013
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Hi,

Well, where to start? I've been a christian since I was born, but just recently I have really refound my believe and trust and relationship with God and Jezus, I have been praying a lot about it... I've been raised catholic but really urge to become protestant, cause you know, I really really lost my faith in the catholic church, don't want to offend anyone, really, but with all the scandals here in Belgium and all their tradition, I've been studying the bible for a little while now. And you can really see that a lot of those things aren't really teached at catholic churches... so okay I'm pretty new here, so if anyone has some opinions or some ideas or whatever for me, please reply here!

Greets
 
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Hi MichVando. I have just joined cc. My mum was a Catholic but she gave us a choice to choose what faith we wanted so we weren't brought up in any faith. I started searching when I was 20. God is so good, he brought someone across my path on the street and they started to share about Jesus and how he had died for me. She was sharing how she became a Christian. This was like the first time I had heard it. Maybe once when I was young and went to my friends church for around a few weeks. By choosing Jesus you are on an amazing journey. A challenging one. You are doing great. Learn about him in his word. Pray to him to give you the Holy Spirit so it comes alive for you. Amen
 
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Hi,

Well, where to start? I've been a christian since I was born, but just recently I have really refound my believe and trust and relationship with God and Jezus, I have been praying a lot about it... I've been raised catholic but really urge to become protestant, cause you know, I really really lost my faith in the catholic church, don't want to offend anyone, really, but with all the scandals here in Belgium and all their tradition, I've been studying the bible for a little while now. And you can really see that a lot of those things aren't really teached at catholic churches... so okay I'm pretty new here, so if anyone has some opinions or some ideas or whatever for me, please reply here!

Greets
Repent, come out of th false church system, and seek the mercy of God, not the teachings of mere men! Your eternal soul hangs in the balance!

The Hunger Within!



What’s the Difference between someone who has Truly encountered God and your average church goers who got saved by ‘Receiving’ Jesus? It’s Simply the Difference between Answering the Hunger Within by Seeking out God and finding Him and relying on someone else to TELL you what to Believe in.



Jesus Said: Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened Mt7:7-8



Most people are satisfied with a nominal recognition of God and the false assurance that comes with attaching yourself to church where everyone has accepted a Standard Fashion of Religion they call Christian and no one challenges it. Whatever the Pastor says is Gospel and the Church itself is just a security blanket where you feel good about yourself and have fun with others. In some respects you may try to reform your behavior accordingly for appearances, but inside you remain the same: ‘Cold, Empty, Dry and Dead to God!’



What has happened to put our churches into this Present state of decay? Why can’t you find anyone anywhere who REALLY has a handle on God other than some notion of Doctrine handed down to them by tradition? Why is it that everyone who professes to be a Christian is somewhere between Dead and Lukewarm, including the pastors? Personalities aside here, I know that some forms of Christianity are more attractive than others and the teachers more charismatic and interesting. But aside from the hype and show in some churches, what is there really to sink your teeth into?



Present Day Christianity is a Joke for a reason. They haven’t become the laughing stock of hell by accident! NO! Hell has prevailed! The JOKE is WHAT they Teach as the Gospel and expect people to actually BELIEVE they are Getting Saved from something by RECEIVING Jesus! When in Reality they are doing Nothing More than joining themselves to a System of LIES that numbs their Minds to Truth. The Sad part is that MOST of them THINK they’re actually performing a great service for God’s Kingdom!



One of the BIGGEST Mistakes you can make personally, is going into this System ASSUMING you will find the Right Path to God. NOTHING they are Teaching in any of these churches has ANYTHING to do with the Bible or the Gospel of Jesus Christ. By the time these Teachers get done convincing you they know what they talking about you will be in the grips of a STRONG Delusion that is almost impossible to break free of. That’s why it’s so important for you to Make Sure you’ve had a Genuine encounter with God, have truly Repentance of your sins and been forgiven by Grace. How is that going to happen?



Of a TRUTH it’s NOT Going to happen inside a church! If you are going to inherit Eternal Life, as the Bible says and NOT some fairly tale religion based on lies, you MUST meet up with God. You must begin on the SOLID ROCK of Truth and find God on His Terms, not yours, or based on some church doctrine. If God exists and rewards those who diligently seek after Him…..YOU MUST be fully capable of doing so! Sin has NOT rendered you incapable of Obeying God or Stopping your wrong doing. The Bible CLEARLY Instructs you to Do so, the Gospel in churches says ‘Trust’ you are saved, But the Bible says PROVE your Faith by your DEEDS!



Those who begin on this Solid Ground with Christ, it’s been my experience, that they Serve and Obey God in His Word with diligent Zeal, Crave His Righteousness, Strive to DO the Right thing, and testify of heart Purity….JUST as the Scriptures confirm. A Church Convert seldom stops sinning, has no interest whatsoever in the Word of God, lest of all Obeying it. They basically know three things: ‘It’s Not of Works’, ‘No one is Perfect’, and ‘You Can’t Judge!’ Beyond that they THINK God has Saved them in their sins and that no one, including God, expects them to ever stop sinning until they die and go to heaven.



Of course there are the rare exceptions that ‘Get Saved’ and go on to a form of maturity in the church of their choice. These are the ones who usually become Pastors, Teachers, Deacons, leaders of some sort. They learn to defend their Doctrinal stance, quote scripture and ‘APPEAR’ as though understand the deeper things of God. The others look up to them and rely on their ‘knowledge’ to support the complacent standards of the church. Therefore the Myth perpetuates itself and gains creditability.

These Converts are not the lest bit concerned about Deception, or the constant Warnings in Scripture to ‘Be Not Deceived!’ They Came into the church under the Lie, it stands to reason they are NOT going to beware of the VERY thing they THINK has Saved them! That’s the beauty of this Mess. It brings them in Deceived, Keeps them in Darkness and ignorance and NEVER questions the fallacy of it all. As the Scripture says: ‘The Conscience becomes seared and the heart hardened in sin.’



The Church has a famous reputation for ‘Shooting the wounded.’ What I mean by this are those who have sincerely encounter God through Repentance and faith, had a genuine experience of Conversion, Stopped sinning and then Join themselves to a fellowship hoping to find mutual support and enlightenment. Their Conversion experience has left them wounded in spirit (Poor in spirit) Seeking God, Desiring His Truth and Righteousness and a Close, worthy Walk with Christ. The Church has NO IDEA Whatsoever what has happened to them, other than they have ‘Received’ Jesus and now show up on Sunday. The Standard fare is to Get them Adapted to the Low Standards as quickly as possible so their ‘Witness’ won’t be such a Glaring Contrast to the other church members and someone will start asking questions.



This is where you (If indeed YOU Are this person!) face the Greatest Danger of all on your Journey toward eternal life. Jesus Version of the Gospel Put it this way: Matt7:13-14, ““Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.”



The WAY is Difficult because the False Prophets Stand at the Gate Barking like Dogs to Keep you away! The VERY NEXT thing He Says is a WARNING! “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves!” Mt7:15



WHO are these False Prophets or Savage wolves, but the Religious System that REJECTED Jesus to begin with? They APPEAR as Lambs! NEVER forgot that! Of Course they are 100% Convinced they are RIGHT and Truly Following God….(every religious system since Christ thought the Same thing!) Naturally they can quote Scripture, answer all your objections, even LOOK like the Real thing! But I’m trying to give you a Heads up here. DON’T Go into this Mess BLIND, Assuming you’ve found God’s people!!! You will be sitting yourself up for a FALL. Truth and Error Cannot Mix! Darkness and Light cannot abide together!



As a young Convert, you face the Greatest peril of all. You’re ONLY Hope is to NEVER allow that Hunger inside you for God to waver or grow cold. It’s your Life Line to eternity! You are in the System, among the DEAD and Dying, under the influence of the Lie. You’re a Sheep among wolves! I know this is a Heavy Responsibility at the outset and much of it seems Radical to you, unnecessary, over the edge. But if you want to Avoid the common mistakes that could indeed prove fatal to your soul, Take it with a grain of salt and HEED the Warning. Others have been there before you! Profit from the Voice of Experience.



Let the Condition of the Church Converts be a Constant reminder to you what you’re engaged in. Never concede to their Standards or resign yourself to the ‘Receive Jesus’ Message. You may not be able to silence all their arguments or answer all their objections, but Truth will always prevail if you don’t compromise with sin. Remember you’re Different precisely because you responded to God on His Terms and DIDN’T Get Saved inside a church! If you are a Church Convert NONE of this will matter to you anyway. Chances are you came from a Church Family, with a long line of folks who all ‘Got Saved’ in similar manner and have been ‘Praying’ for you to do the same thing.



You were already under the influence of the Lie BEFORE your supposed Conversion, so there’s not going to be any huge change in your desires or behavior after you do come to Christ. The added dimension will be now you THINK you’re Saved, like all the others, and attend church more often. But inside you are just as cold and dead to God as anyone, secretly hoping that these occasional nut bags that come along ‘Filled with the Spirit’ or ‘On Fire for God!’ are really the Deceived ones trying to break up the church.



Read Matt10, when the Lord Sent out His Disciples for the first time. THIS is what you can expect IF you hold to the Truth. Separation, turmoil, misunderstanding. Friends will desert you, family alienate you. At times it will be a Lonely walk and your heart will be constantly burdened for the lost and deceived that seem so impossible to reach. Prepare yourself for these things, Don’t expect to avoid them unless you give in to the Lie and become one of them! It was your Hunger for God that brought you to Real Salvation to begin with DON’T Fall into the trap that you can then Skate your Way into the Kingdom with the Dead and Lukewarm. They are in that Condition for a Reason! NEVER forget it! The BEST thing you could do is Get out of the System altogether, Study your Bible, Keep Seeking God and Learn how to Contend. I know it can be Difficult at times and if you’re alone at home, without even the support of a spouse, it’s VERY Difficult. Most people you know will think you have gone off your rocker, including your family. But Remember, ‘What don’t kill you will Make you Stronger!’ If you learn to stand alone at the outset you can get through the worst of times when the chips are down.



Basically the churches work within a Structure, using formulas restricted by time. Some Conduct altar calls during Sunday services, others do not. Some put a great emphasis on Water Baptism, Communion or foot washing. The universal Assumption is that ANYONE who Professes to ‘Believe’ in Jesus is a ‘Christian’ and is welcome under the big tent, regardless of their behavior or doctrine. NO ONE is going to expose sin, insist on any Conditions or do anything that would cause ill feeling and send someone home angry. That’s why when YOU Come along they will either have bring you down to their level or eliminate you from the fellowship. The Possibility of them being proved Wrong is too Great a Risk to let you to stick around.



You must be ready to break ties with these people at a moment’s notice. Don’t get tangled up in sentimentalities. I know some of them are nicer people than others and you really like them, but Bottom line…THEY BELIEVE the LIE! And when push comes to shove they will reject the Truth and follow the IMAGE. (they Already have! Exchanged the truth for a lie! And been given over to Delusion!) You Can’t help them when they WON’T HELP themselves!



Think about it: Will they Read their Bibles? MOST of them won’t even bring a Bible to Study Class with them. Do they have ANY Understanding of True Repentance and faith according to the Scriptures? Not a Clue! Do they CARE that Deception is everywhere and the False Teachers have the Platforms? They FLOCK to hear them! Along with attending the most popular concerts, latest hype seminars, and anything that comes down the pike they are truly in La La Land and nothing can reach them. You MUST understand that God has NOTHING to do with any of it! No Matter how touchy, feely it seems. Emotions are meaningless, people cry when they watch movies!



An Encounter with God BEGINS with the Person AMENDING the Evil of his Doings! The scriptures teach repentance comes before salvation.(2Cor.7:10) Conversion comes before forgiveness.(Mk.4:12) And repentance comes before remission.(Lk.24:27) Since the nature of a true repentance produces the STOPPING of sin. the CLEARING of wrong doing, a change of mind, inclinations, desires...so must the conduct change!...The result of a crisis conviction in the soul is a vindication and purification of heart by Christ blood through faith!(Acts15:9;1Pet.1:22;Heb.9:22 ;Eph.1:7;Col.1:14) Since sin is CHOICE, NOT NATURE it must be stopped in repentance!(Isa.55:7;2Cor.7:10-11)



NONE of this is Happening inside the Churches! They Preach a COMPLETELY Different Gospel! Your Presence among them is futile. But since Experience is always the best teacher, nothing I can say or show you will make a difference in getting you OUT of this Mess. Like everyone else, you will have to run your course and find out on your own that your effort is being wasted on the dead. I can only offer my advice based on past experiences. It’s difficult to quill the enthusiasm felt by a New Convert, whose eyes are open and heart is on fire for God. But I offer the following suggestions to any who would hear:



NEVER Compromise with the Born in Sin Message!

Stay OUT of Commentaries, Books, Study material, until you are Firmly Grounded in the Faith!

DON’T Get Caught up in the Church Hype, Music, Sports, Activities, Dinners & Think its Serving God!

Take NO Sides in the Doctrinal in-house Debates between Church goers.

PROVE and TEST Everything by Scripture BEFORE you Make your Decisions!

Don’t Support the Lie with your time, money, effort or agreement.

Be Prepared to Walk away at any time, no regrets. You Cannot Fear being alone.



The Churches are a Lost Cause and have been for Centuries. You Risk a Great Deal remaining among them. We are NOT Prophets, Sent of God to awaken them! We are Sojourners in a Strange Land. Courtesy standingthegap.org
 
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Wow you have a lot to say for yourself. Hmm gentle.
 
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You know when the women was caught in sin, wasn't it beautiful how God restored her. How the prodical son came home and how Father God welcomed him. Imagine Father God rushing out of the house and saying everything you just said. Wow if I was the son I think I would run. LOL. Praise God that he welcomes us home.
 
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First welcome a lost brother home and encourage him to go for God. Amen
 

MichVando

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Mar 11, 2013
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Thank you all, really this is actually very very helpfull, cause you know here in Belgium I don't really have someone to talk about this... most of them are atheists or your normal church goers who don't really have the relationship with God...I really want to study the bible more and find out everything!
 
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Mate there is so much truths in God's word. He loves you so much and he wants to reveal himself more and more to you through it. When I first became a Christian I read it from one end to the other. When I asked Jesus to come into my heart and I turned from me old life and chose to live for him, the Holy Spirit came to live in me and his word just came alive, it was like I was with him watching the events unfold. Don't get caught up in issues, just enjoy. It will challenge your way of living and thinking. But it is the best way to follow because there is blessing that comes from obeying it.
 
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Don't leave the Catholic Church, look at the beauty and truth in it and accept scandals as part of humanitys fallen nature.