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Welcome Aviva, my dad is Jewish and thought Jesus was a good man and that was it. However, through the years he saw our commitment and listened to our reasons and fully accepted Jesus as Savior. Lee Strobel, who was an atheist and of Jewish lineage, set out to prove Christianity a hoax, and came to the conclusion it's authentic. He's published books like 'The Case For Christ'. God bless and keep you, glad you are here✨
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A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning, such as making irrelevant arguments or baseless assertions.
I'm not trying to or interested in converting anyone, so why would I want to participate in discussions that don't concern me? More importantly, why would I go into a Christian forum and intrude on a space that isn't designed for me with (likely unwelcome) outside points of view?
If you think you know more about what is and isn't Jewish then a lifelong Orthodox Jew, and me pointing out that hubris makes me egotistical in your view, then I dunno what to tell you.
I'm not trying to or interested in converting anyone, so why would I want to participate in discussions that don't concern me? More importantly, why would I go into a Christian forum and intrude on a space that isn't designed for me with (likely unwelcome) outside points of view?
If you think you know more about what is and isn't Jewish then a lifelong Orthodox Jew, and me pointing out that hubris makes me egotistical in your view, then I dunno what to tell you.
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With the stakes of eternal destination being so high, would you be open to hearing the Gospel, from a Torah perspective, in ways maybe you haven't heard before?
Just in case you say no, let me give you just one. Probably my favorite one from Genesis. If this intrigues you at all, please let me know, and I'll present others that are just as compelling:
The seemingly boring and unimportant genealogy of Genesis 5.
This is the "Christian" Gospel. Directly embedded in the Torah.
Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh - Mortal
Kenan - Sorrow
Mahalalel - The Blessed God
Jared - Shall come down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah - His death shall bring
Lamech - The despairing
Noah - Rest
Adam
Adam’s name means “man”. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.
Seth
Adam’s son was named Seth, which means “appointed”. Eve said, “For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.”[4]
Enosh
Seth’s son was called Enosh, which means “mortal, frail, or miserable”. It is from the root anash, “to be incurable”, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.
It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.[5]
Kenan
Enosh’s son was named Kenan, which can mean “sorrow, dirge, or elegy”. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)
Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.[6]
We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.
Mahalalel
Kenan’s son was Mahalalel, from mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the “Blessed God”. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, “God is my Judge”, etc.
Jared
Mahalalel’s son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning “shall come down”.[7]
Enoch
Jared’s son was named Enoch, which means “teaching, or commencement”. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):
Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.[8] Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.
Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated[9] (or, if you’ll excuse the expression, raptured). That’s how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!
Lamech
Methuselah’s son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, “lament or lamentation”. Lamech suggests despairing.
(This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain’s line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.[10])
Noah
Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, “to bring relief or comfort”, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.
Just in case you say no, let me give you just one. Probably my favorite one from Genesis. If this intrigues you at all, please let me know, and I'll present others that are just as compelling:
The seemingly boring and unimportant genealogy of Genesis 5.
This is the "Christian" Gospel. Directly embedded in the Torah.
Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh - Mortal
Kenan - Sorrow
Mahalalel - The Blessed God
Jared - Shall come down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah - His death shall bring
Lamech - The despairing
Noah - Rest
Adam
Adam’s name means “man”. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.
Seth
Adam’s son was named Seth, which means “appointed”. Eve said, “For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.”[4]
Enosh
Seth’s son was called Enosh, which means “mortal, frail, or miserable”. It is from the root anash, “to be incurable”, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.
It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.[5]
Kenan
Enosh’s son was named Kenan, which can mean “sorrow, dirge, or elegy”. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)
Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.[6]
We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.
Mahalalel
Kenan’s son was Mahalalel, from mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the “Blessed God”. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, “God is my Judge”, etc.
Jared
Mahalalel’s son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning “shall come down”.[7]
Enoch
Jared’s son was named Enoch, which means “teaching, or commencement”. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):
Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against.”
— Jude 14–15
Methuselah— Jude 14–15
Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.[8] Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.
Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated[9] (or, if you’ll excuse the expression, raptured). That’s how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!
Lamech
Methuselah’s son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, “lament or lamentation”. Lamech suggests despairing.
(This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain’s line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.[10])
Noah
Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, “to bring relief or comfort”, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.
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I've read the first four gospels and I'm well aware of what it says. The reason I'm ignoring theological questions is because:
1. People will attack me.
2. Most questions or not sincerely asked. They are phrased in such a way as the asker has already inserted what they think is the answer. I don't have much regard for "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type questions.
3. This isn't a Jewish forum and I have no desire to be a disruption. (Well, not too much of one...)
1. People will attack me.
2. Most questions or not sincerely asked. They are phrased in such a way as the asker has already inserted what they think is the answer. I don't have much regard for "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type questions.
3. This isn't a Jewish forum and I have no desire to be a disruption. (Well, not too much of one...)
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Aviva, if you are not interested in discussing anything, then why are you here? I suspect you may believe in Jesus as christ as the messiah but will not commit, I know that it is a death whish for orthodox Jews who believe in Christ as they will lose their family but there is only one truth, all of the Torah points to Christ as you know very well, Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. Know that I am not against Jews in any way. If you want to participate in discussions then welcome.
Shalom.
Shalom.
If I'm told to go, I'll go. I don't go where I've been expressly uninvited. Since you negative voted what I think is a pretty uncontroversial post I doubt you really care what I think anyway.
EDIT: You should also refrain from telling people what you think is in their head unless you're professing psychic abilities... especially someone you've only known for about 7 seconds.
EDIT: You should also refrain from telling people what you think is in their head unless you're professing psychic abilities... especially someone you've only known for about 7 seconds.
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Despite what you may think, many would benefit from your understanding of Judaism. But you should be aware that they will look to find the completion of what you share in Jesus. And you shouldn't think it odd that those who have found life in Him would want that same life for everyone.
I hope you stay and share. Grace and peace.
I hope you stay and share. Grace and peace.
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Well, if you really want to understand Jews my first suggestion is not using terms like "completed" or "completed Jew" if you value any further discourse with said Jew. Even if you believe it, observant Jews don't and will find that extremely obnoxious and offensive.
I'm not mad or wagging my finger at you, just a friendly FYI.
I'm not mad or wagging my finger at you, just a friendly FYI.
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