THE TRAGEDY OF MODERN EVANGELISM

From the human standpoint, the Gospel has always been easily condensed down to this: "If ye love Me, keep My commandments".

Yes, the devils believe....and tremble.

Hello Phoneman-777, theologian/pastor A. W. Pink addressed this very issue not long after the turn of the 20th Century saying (in small part),

If someone (who claims to be a Christian) is interested in all of the benefits/blessings that God has to offer them, but they, at the same time, have no desire to be (as Pink says) "delivered from their carnality and worldliness" in this life/do not want, with all of their hearts, to please, honor and glorify God in all that they do/say (and even think) in the here and now, then chances are good that their "claim" of having become a Christian is, sadly, nothing more than that

~Deut
p.s. - in saying all that I just did above, I believe that it is also important to remember that our obedience to God is the result or fruit of our salvation, never the cause of it, and that from first to last/from justification to glorification. We are saved by faith in the works that Christ did for us .. alone, IOW, by His shed blood/death on the Cross in our stead, as well by His having lived a perfectly righteous life before His Father on our behalf, the life that we were supposed to live before Him, but could not .. cf 2 Corinthians 5:21.

Well said. There were people preaching the truth then, and we are still preaching it today. The false gospel of "Life Enhancement" has seduced almost the entire Christian world today.

One wonders how the same folks who are not willing to tolerate even one instance of marital infidelity (much less habitual infidelity) are demanding God put up with their habitual, known, deliberate, presumptuous infidelity day in and day out, as if His Word is null and void and His bark is worse than His bite.

Well said. There were people preaching the truth then, and we are still preaching it today. The false gospel of "Life Enhancement" has seduced almost the entire Christian world today.

One wonders how the same folks who are not willing to tolerate even one instance of marital infidelity (much less habitual infidelity) are demanding God put up with their habitual, known, deliberate, presumptuous infidelity day in and day out, as if His Word is null and void and His bark is worse than His bite.

Jesu's commandments ... not Moses .... you have not obeyed His commandments for He said you must be born again.

Actually the "gospel" which YOU preach is all about life enhancement by obedience to Moses. Strict obedience to the law is your watchword.

We preach LIFE, even Christ's own life in the soul. This life is eternal life, it is a gift to be received by faith.

Jesus said in order to be saved we must not steal, lie, kill, etc. It's not absence of stealing, lying, killing that saves us, but Christ enthroned on the heart, the fruit of which is the absence of stealing, lying, killing, etc.

Boldly insisting the definition of a saving relationship with Jesus is limited to "believe" or "trust in Him" or "faith in Jesus" while intentionally ignoring the expanded definition of it that He and those He inspired preached -- "repentance" and "keep My commandments" and "sin no more" and "when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity...in his sin shall he die" and "he that keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him", etc. -- is an exercise in self delusion.

Remind us who the "we" are when you say "we are still preaching it today" are you not trying to steal sheep for the SDA by this propagandist thread in the newbie section?

No, the false gospel you preach promises life to those whose hands you strengthen to continue in sin by not warning them of the consequences of impenitence, and at the same time you condemn righteous Christian men who sound the warning of such a false gospel....they were doing it back in the days of Israel just as you do today:


You ignore James and teach that the sinner can by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by what James calls living faith: eternal life.

Give the exact quote where Jesus in order to be saved we must not steal, lie, kill etc

By saying "expanded definition" you mean man's commentary upon God's word.

We have God's word, then we have what men THINK it means ... or in your case women [Ellen White] God's word does not need this commentary, it doesn't need explaining, interpreting. It just needs to be believed in.

Until you are born again you can't even see the Kingdom of Heaven.

Arthur W. Pink said the same thing I said in the OP. According to Wiki, Pink was likely a Congregationalist who was previously a high initiate of the Theosophical Society and highly recommended by supersonic Luciferian Annie Besant before renouncing his involvement in such satanic agencies and turning to evangelical Christianity. He turned from the lies of Satan long before you picked them up and continued spreading them by your false gospel, friend. Will you too repent?

I'm not surprised you don't know where to find this in Scripture. Those who bang the drum of OSAS know just enough Scripture to get them into deep trouble, but not nearly enough to get them out.

endure in what?

works or faith?

No, the false gospel you preach promises life to those whose hands you strengthen to continue in sin by not warning them of the consequences of impenitence, and at the same time you condemn righteous Christian men who sound the warning of such a false gospel....they were doing it back in the days of Israel just as you do today:


You ignore James and teach that the sinner can by dead faith obtain that which can only be obtained by what James calls living faith: eternal life.

Arthur W Pink [beloved by many sincere brethren] went off beam. He was hyper Calvinist with a capital H.

That doesn't mean everything he preached was wrong, he preached alot of good stuff ... but he needs a caution.

Your faith is dead

You say you believe Jesus died for your sins but you don't act like it [works]

Your doctrine shows that you have not received full remission, that your sins have not been born away, that you have not received new inner life, that you are not risen with Christ to walk in this new life.

Your WHOLE concern is with sin. You need the law to control it.

I'm not surprised you don't know where to find this in Scripture. Those who bang the drum of OSAS know just enough Scripture to get them into deep trouble, but not nearly enough to get them out.

Just when one thinks he's got an understanding of how effective Satan is at blinding his prey, you go and say that. In your satanic blindness, you are saying the exact OPPOSITE of what James says:

One real problem with Evangelism is that no one can really define what it is.
"Evangelical" is sometimes used as an all-encompassing term for Christians.
Even Billy Graham, who was heralded as a leader in the rise of evangelicalism, said once that he was unsure how to define an evangelical Christian. He said, “Actually, that’s a question I’d like to ask somebody too.”

Any Christian can claim to be Evangelical. But if you ask them what that means, they may not have a clue. Evangelism, like the term Fundamentalism can seem to mean many different things to different people.

Both Evangelism and Fundamentalism are fairly new arrivals on the scene of Christianity. Evangelism is said to have started between the 17th or 19th century and Fundamentalism during the 19th century.