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Well, to you, does "fulfill all righteousness" mean fulfilling all the Jewish sacraments, or something else? Because the Temple Duties of Israel were acts, including baptism, and confession, as well as other signs before the head of household could enter the courtyard and have his lamb sacrificed by the High Priest for his personal atonement and that of his family. I now translation is a bug, but I'm pointing this out for two reasons, one is that Deuteronomy (requirements for the laity) and Leviticus (requirements for the priesthood) are the basis of the sacramental system in Christianity today, including in modern American protestant Bible churches. This in conjunction with the rending of the temple curtain at the time of Christ's death and the sacrificial system of the literal sheep ending for the Christian after the crucifixion and resurrection is a big theological area, I just wanted to inquire and find full knowledge.

Jesus was fulfilling the commandments of God. Being sinless, He would have nothing to confess...

Jesus was fulfilling the commandments of God. Being sinless, He would have nothing to confess...

Actually, confession also refers to confessing the faith. Jesus can be interpreted as having confessed,
with his life and teaching, that he believed in the prophecy of Isaih, foretelling His incarnation. Calling
that confession is more traditional than most of us, we call it lay evangelism or public witnessing.

Jesus was fulfilling the commandment of God regarding priesthood.

Being sinless, He would have nothing to confess, or atone for...

Sure. Technically, the time he went into the Temple to read the Isaih scroll was his
Bar Mitzvah, an age of reason (12 year old) confirmation/baptism kind of ceremony.

Luke 4 is after His baptism, beginning with His 40 day fast and temptation in the desert.

Luke 4 is after His baptism, beginning with His 40 day fast and temptation in the desert.

Hi Flannery nice to have you joining us😊 Glad you are jumping right in with interesting responses. God bless you and your time here!

Thanks. I'm working as hard as I can on understanding the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. Something changed because of the life of Christ. But what? Exactly how? And how do I determine what it all was by reading the Bible for observance ceremony clues? I mean, besides the faith, there must be textual evidence and support for something being altered. I've heard a lot of sermons arguing in seeming circles that it was or wasn't the term commandments that were fulfilled on the cross. But there's something else. The ceremonial law. Sacrifice and Oblation were supposed to be caused to cease. What does that mean? Just that we don't kill sheep anymore? People who are theologians in the pulpit discuss that in terms of Saturday-Sunday as the Sabbath, but in the gospels themselves I just don't see how that comes into it. But that appears to be separate and have something to do with the Pentecost. Oh, what did that mean? Can anyone explain the doctrine of the Pentecost?

Why is the role of the pastor overemphasized, or should I ask how and in what way instead? I know that there are more spiritual gifts. Do you usually find in churches that one or more of the others are missing or suppressed by the ordained preacher? Which ones? And what do you feel is missing because of the suppression?

That's great. As far as canon law, it's a given that it's only canon law if it comes from the Bible. I'll forget the semantic linguistics quibble. Mind you, if we were crusaders, the cannon part would literally mean gun, and we'd be shot for treason if we committed blasphemy by violating a cannon law. But that was in Europe in the context of crusader armies during the dark ages.

Repent and be baptized is good. Tell me your opinion. Jesus was baptized by John, now He didn't need to repent? Where do you stand on the alleged sacrament of confession

No Yashua did not need to repent, He lead by example. He showed us that we needed to be baptized, to be reborn through.
I believe the bible show us we can obtain forgiveness by asking Yahweh, through Yashua for forgiveness

The role of pastor seems to have taken the place of all the other gifts - apostle, prophet, evangelist and teacher. Some groups do accept those gifts, but from my experience, that is the minority. Even charismatic churches are still focused on the pastor. A qualification of eldership is to have the ability to teach. Every Christian should be a shepherd to some extent, yet some of the places I've been a member hardly taught the congregation the fundamentals. There seems to be a fear of people becoming spiritual and making the leadership look bad. And the congregation often see the pastor as a paid professional who should be living their Christian lives for them.

True leadership does not fear to mentor. Joshua was mentored by Moses and was chosen to lead God's people into the promised land. But Joshua did not mentor anyone. When he passed away, Israel was leaderless and that was a disaster. Elijah mentored Elisha and that was a great blessing.

Having a degree in theology does not make a pastor. God's calling and the training of the Holy Spirit is far more important. I've been saved for 50 years. I've seen quite a lot in that time. I do not say these things lightly. I've studied the New Testament pattern of the church. I've observed church life in many different places. It's not much like the church in the NT. I won't speak about the persecuted church. I don't know enough to be confident that my understanding is correct.

Thanks. I'm working as hard as I can on understanding the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. Something changed because of the life of Christ. But what? Exactly how? And how do I determine what it all was by reading the Bible for observance ceremony clues? I mean, besides the faith, there must be textual evidence and support for something being altered. I've heard a lot of sermons arguing in seeming circles that it was or wasn't the term commandments that were fulfilled on the cross. But there's something else. The ceremonial law. Sacrifice and Oblation were supposed to be caused to cease. What does that mean? Just that we don't kill sheep anymore? People who are theologians in the pulpit discuss that in terms of Saturday-Sunday as the Sabbath, but in the gospels themselves I just don't see how that comes into it. But that appears to be separate and have something to do with the Pentecost. Oh, what did that mean? Can anyone explain the doctrine of the Pentecost?

Pentecost was the Holy Spirit being sent to the apHebrew. Yashua told the apostles he would send a comforter(John 14:16, 26; 15:26, 16:7) Although it is a mistranslation as the Greek word is "parakletos" and means helper, intercessor, or advocate.This is wear speaking in tongues came from, but the got all twisted.
The apostles received the Holy Spirit and went out and spoke to the people. No matter the language they spoke, they understood the apostles, who were speaking hebrew.
Pentecost is actually one of 3 Sabbath/high holy days we are mandated to celebrate, gather and observe yearly. In case your interested, the other 2 are Feast of Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles

Do you think that over reliance on the pastorship is kind of humanist? I know he's supposed to be a shepherd type figure, and that the congregants aren't supposed to be leading on their own understandings, but even though a sermon with a lot of great rhetoric and logic can be both edifying and inspiring, I just think that private study and prayer are more fundamental to faith.

I've really heard a lot made in churches about the quote that says, "where two or three are joined together in faith, my spirit is", but that seems to very often be in the context of making sure you have a church membership certificate and get your tithe in the envelope every week. Job had to walk alone, and Jesus prayed privately in the garden of Gethsemani. Now, I do realize that when Jesus had his wilderness experience, the devil came and tempted him, but still, when Moses went to the top of Mount Siani alone, Jehovah Himself spoke to him and delivered the ten commandments.

People should be in solitary meditation and spend time on that. It helps you get in the habit on relying on the unseen Holy Spirit and puts you in the habit of listening for the still small voice.

The church is the body of Christ and we are interdependent. We also have our own individual walk with God. Close fellowship with strong Christians is vital to growth but we also need time with the Lord and in His word. We can stand much more firmly if we have two legs.

"Where two or three are gathered...." is a misquote. It's the Lord Jesus who is there in the midst. He is Head of the Church, not the Holy Spirit, Jesus is the name above all names, not the Holy Spirit and every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord. I'm not being pedantic or petty. These a truths that are fundamental.

I was just thinking about the definition of the word "Doctrine". A doctrine is a teaching in the context that such and such is the law, and it has a exegetical proof. The first mediaeval scholastic to write a complete treatise on doctrine after the Cardinal's meeting that set the cannon at a certain number of books listed in the table of contents was a man by the name of Peter Abelard, and I've never had the time or scholarly recourses to find out what a Crusader Knight sort thought was a full list of the Biblical doctrines. (Another expression for Biblical Doctrine is Cannon Law).

I'm all for faith, I know it gets abused in modern America, both in raucous political debates over the secular setting of the government and in accounting, but I'm grown up enough and well-read enough to have a solid understanding of the textbook and stable enough in both literary scholarship and temporal affairs that I know what faith is. I'm interested in finding out what some of the doctrines are that people study in their prayer devotions and in their churches. The premier doctrine in historic Christianity is the Doctrine of Divinity, a religious law which states simply that "Jesus Christ is divine." This one is the basis of a sober seminary and answers the philosophical question "why" as to any further social practice for people who mean to sign up and practice within and individual denomination.

What is your favorite doctrine of the faith, and why? For example, Baptist believers focus on the immersion in the water as an outward mark of dedication to Christianity. What do you believe about the Doctrine of Baptism? What are some of your Bible stories that you meditate on in connection with it? The Red Sea parting? Naaman and the Syrian? Pool of Salome in the Gospels?

Where do you stand on the doctrine of the Resurrection? How many resurrections are there going to be, one or two? If there is only one, then all will be judged together, but if there are two, of the saved and the lost, then we might be all presorted and predestined.

How many doctrines does your church embrace and teach from the pulpit on Sunday morning? What are some of them? I'm very interested to know, because your church doctrines are to the Bible as the National Amendments are to the United States Constitution (a doctrine is an overarching law and ruling principle of the faith, remember)? Let's hear some of them, and their scriptural basis.

What do you believe about the Doctrine of Baptism?

How many resurrections are there going to be, one or two?

we might be all presorted and predestined.

The premier doctrine in historic Christianity is the Doctrine of Divinity, a religious law which states simply that "Jesus Christ is divine."

I'm working as hard as I can on understanding the relationship between Judaism and
Christianity. Something changed because of the life of Christ. But what? Exactly how?

Galatians 3:22-25