What does scripure mean by "under the law"?

To be under the law rather than under Christ we must obey every law, if we are under Christ we can go to Him for forgiveness if we mess up but we know how the Lord loves us so He instructs us in how to live well in the world as He creaed it. When we understand that and return that love we listen. Scripture puts it this way "If you love me you will obey----".

All His guidance can be summed up with the word love. In the next world there is no room for people who would harm others with lies, theft, gossip, etc. If we are under the law and not Christ we have no forgiveness, we cannot be allowed to live on.

I agree with what you say ! So what is it JESUS is teaching man that the OT did/could not ?
Did He simply 'do away' with the law/nail it to His cross, or does He show a 'new approach to it Mat 5v17. It is obvious that Jesus was not lawless. But He could see that it was being observed 'in works of a physical nature to which 'MAN was adding and taking away at will'....law was not being kept the way GOD wanted it Mat 23. Jesus came to 'change that 'imbalance and abolish the enmity and hatred people's own doings had created/caused....and He had to pay with His life for 'our mess-up....but that was not to say that the law was bad - it was the people.
So actually GOD has to make us into ' new people/a new Creation and give us a 'new world/His Kingdom in which we will 'obey from love' to do HIS WILL !
All this takes time, several thousand years in fact and it is to be expected that we will have 'differences during this 'transition and sadly still exhibit ignorance and hatred from our evil background. So please let us keep in mind what Jesus died for and save us from ! not to make us lawless but loving obedient children of God !

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

When a person is saved,and receive the Spirit,they do not want sin,hate sin,and want to represent goodness,and be Christlike,for to want to act that way,and mean it,they can abstain from sin,for they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

The Spirit will not lead anyone that holds unto sin,and does not want to abstain from sin.

A person led of the Spirit has all their sins forgiven,and does not sin,because they do not want to sin,so they are not under the law,which means the law cannot touch them for prosecution,for they are not breaking the law.

If they go back to sin,and hold unto sin,they are back under the law,and can be prosecuted by the law,until they repent of it,and get rid of the sin,then they are not under the law.

A person led of the Spirit might sin,but they will repent,get rid of it,and keep going in the Spirit.

A person not led of the Spirit will hold unto sin,and be in a dangerous position.

Not all people who claim Jesus has received the Spirit,which you will know them by their fruits.

People who say we cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship with Christ,will hold unto sin for they think they are alright despite their sin,how can they be led of the Spirit.

Great post, I cant give +reputation to you again for some reason but I must say, you took the words right outta my mouth and articulated them better than I ever could.

God bless you brother!

To be 'under the Law' means that I look to the Law for my standing before God, and I am judged by the Law. It was the position that the Scribes and Pharisees took in practise. By 'keeping' the Law perfectly, including the sacrifices, they sought to find favour with God.

TWhen you put yourself under Christ instead of obeditence to the law you take on His spirit. That means you take on obedience to the law for the spirit of Christ is not in rebellion to the law but embraces it for it tells how to walk within the kingdom of God.

Grace and acceptance friend,

First one should realize the purpose of the law, then it gets clear as to its function for God.

Let's start by cognizing that in the beginning only "one" rule or Law was given to man. This rule, "Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." (found in Genesis 2:17)

Should look also at the reaction that occurred from mankind eating it. That mankind has the ability to cognize both the good and evil. (found in Genesis 3:22)

Logically then it's safe to step on the rock that earlier then the eating of these fruits mankind had the void of the "cognization" both good and evil.

During this time in the earlier, God called creation "Good." (found in Genesis 1:31)

Let's then look at the difference between these concepts to help show what makes our Creator happy.

To start is going to help cognize the "knowledge of good". And the Good can get finishioned as the structure of "how" as in comparison to the occurrence of the event. In appropriation of the "occurrence" when matching that of the comparative "how" when aligned then receive the label of "Good".

Naturally as Evil has the opposition of concept to that of Good, therefore Evil can get finishioned as the structure of "how" as in comparison to the occurrence of the event whereas difference appears. In English this is labeled as "error".

Again using logic, the only possible way for a person to cognize good and evil, it's through the cognization of how and error.

Now, lets look then at the difference atween "how" and atween "good". A how shows the functionality of the plan of action. The good happens from the comparison of that plan to the occurrence.

Now enters in the concept of Law. Law can get finishioned as the structure of "how".

Take a moment to cognize that Law in of itself only can appropriate with the cognization of how.

Therefore the command can come to three restatements all showing the separate tiers of the concept.

The Full Concept (Outer Layer)
- "Do not eat from the tree of the cognization of good and evil."

The Inner Layer
- "Do not eat from the tree of the cognization of how it works and error."

The Comparative Layer (as during the manifestation of the event)
- "Do not eat from the tree of the cognization of law and lawlessness."

Even God through Paul brings to light: "the dangers of the letter of the law" and the "life that comes from the spirit of the law" (found in 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Therefore come to cognization that a how in of itself can remain in safety. The danger occurs when that how has a comparison to the occurrence. God gives the example:

"And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him." (Genesis 4:6-7 KJV)

Taking some time to analyze this certain truth may parse from this.
- The situation specifically focuses on anger [Why art thou wroth?]
- The effect of this anger has caused a fallen countenance [why is thy countenance fallen?]
- comparison of a how to an occurrence shows [If thou doest well]
- the knowledge of error shown as a cause [if thou doest not well]
- an error shows as a separate concept than sin [if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.]
- an error can get finishioned as the path towards sin [sin lieth at the door.]
- error by itself it's safe to manifest (within a perspective) (reasoning shows as follows)
- Adam and Eve earlier then cognizing good and evil "perhaps" possibly did error "from a perspective"
- How would they have the ability to decern it?
- Even their error, God still considered as Good (for " if " it was done, it was without anger and without a fallen countenance)

Jesus uses a phrase "weeping and gnashing of teeth" many times within his parables.
- Logically can get connected "gnashing of teeth" as that of "anger/wroth"
- By association "weeping" can get connected to "a fallen countenance"

God gave Paul cognition of this when he gives the command: "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God" (Ephesians 4:30)

To follow this command lets cognize grief:

The Greek word for Soul [psuché](Strong's Greek: 5590. ψυχή (psuché) -- breath, the soul). The root word for the scientific branch called psychology, and psychology does indeed teach about grief. They call it the "Five Stages of Grief Theory" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief).

The stages show as follow:

denial
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance


However, through the power of the cognition of God is going to show how this observed truth functions with biblical truth. For when a match of truth occurs from two witnesses, can step on the rock in confidence.

- "gnashing of teeth" - "anger/wroth" - anger
- "weeping" - "a fallen countenance" - depression

Jesus tells us it's our faith that will save us. Now is going to take the cognization to "how" faith saves us.

- The first stage to the stages of grief called denial shows when a "how" compares to an "occurrence".
- The last stage of grief called acceptance shows when the "how" stops comparing to an "occurrence".

Likewise

- Faith accepts an occurrence.
- Forgiveness leads to acceptance.

The Law of the Bible shows the "How" of acceptable "occurrence".

Relying on the law to achieve acceptance, misses the point of the law. The point of the law - It's that through a strategically defined "how" that all that follow it would achieve acceptance. Therefore in this, one can say the Law is Good. Yet since the war atween "freedom of expression" and atween "uniformity" exists, the need for expression causes rebellion against the law rendering the point of the law useless. For it only works when all follow it. Therefore a new way has been shown to us. A new way that allows freedom of expression and a multitude of hows. That through the acceptance of others how [thy will be done] and [each following the governing of their own country] unifies the whole society towards that of the best Law [The Law of Acceptance]

Therefore the saying "your faith has made you well." could get the state as "your acceptance has made you well."

For it's through acceptance that the reason for the first Law, "Do not eat from the tree of the cognization of good and evil." comes to fulfillment. That even with the fact that we cognize both how and error, due to the "fruits", the power of the fruits lose through acceptance, or (faith in what God does)

For further convincing proofs, consider teachings on anger.

Anyone wanting to dismiss this teaching saying Jesus was angry, should look more into the meaning of that Greek word, which carries the meaning, "swelled up with passion". Translators, still needing the understanding choose anger as the word, out of the simplicity of cognition, as in that time anger seemed acceptable, However, in this time, anger shows the sign of the sinner. For many messages make it plain to rid of anger.

Sin then can get finishioned as a change of spirit from that of Jesus. Scientifically it can get finishioned as the adjustment of the Amygdala from that of directing brain power of the smart brain to that of the dumb brain. For the Amygdala specifically deals with threat detection, and threat only has perception through the cognition of good and evil.

The activation of the Limbic brain alters the natural balance of the parasympathetic system to that of the sympathetic system, therefore releasing adrenaline. Those wanting to find the cure for cancer should look right there. For its how the body deals with the cleaning of adrenaline, that causes cancer. feel free to look it up.

Acceptance cure many mental illnesses, and psychology could learn much from realizing the teachings of Jesus.

Now come to the conclusion about "judge not lest you judged". This could have the translation of "those comparing how of the occurrence to an expectation of how the occurrence should have occurred will receive the punishment".

Now hear the hard teaching.

Jesus proclaimed "Woe for those laughing". As one with the gift of prophecy, come to the awareness that laughter of itself does indeed come from the comparison of how to the occurrence, and has its own punishment. Others say "Laughter's the best medicine", yet this comes from a certain point of view that dopamine has the ability to nullify pain. Many addictive drugs release dopamine, truth is truth. The real question one should ask, "Why is the body releasing a pain medicine when I laugh?"

And learn that the translation "Blessed those that mourn for they will laugh" should have the translation "blessed are those that mourn for those who do laugh." For depression acts as the final stage towards acceptance. therefore can say it now "Blessed are those that are done mourning for they will live". Yet as the prophet, anyone who laughs should listen to hear the curse that came upon them, and should quickly say, Jesus. Therefore applying that same curse back onto the speaker. For God has said, "I will bless those that bless you, and I will curse those that curse you."

Therefore only bless, for how do you know when someone will call upon the name? Truly Jesus said "its what comes out of the mouth that makes a person unclean" and God through James explains how the sayings represent as fresh water and salt water. And Jesus did say to retain the salt. Therefore is good that everyone considers themselves as a water filter, receiving both fresh and pure water, yet only releasing pure water.

It means you have not been to Christ, yet.


It means that you have the understanding that it is your job to fulfill what you think the law says.

Hi G7,

I just want to add a little clarification here.

It isn't quite right that we have nothing to do with the law.

You said,
While it's true that we've died to the law and we've been released from it's condemnation, the reason we've die to it so that we can be married to Christ who's the fulfillment of the law. We don't just read it and see how Jesus fulfilled it. That's not our only relationship with the law. Although we are not under the law and we're under grace, we very much have a relationship to the law.

As we walk in truth we uphold the law. We gird up the law. We don't break the law.

Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law. Romans 3:31

Also we fulfill the law.....the righteous requirements of the law are met in us as we walk according to the Spirit.

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3,4

You said ​The law can't save, but the law does reveal the righteousness of God. For clarification - So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Romans 7:12

When we look at the law, we see righteousness, we see God's righteousness. It just can't make us righteous. It doesn't have the power to do that. It was meant to be combined with faith.....like the faith of Moses and Aaron, Joshua and Caleb. They were under the law and obeyed because they had the faith of Abraham, the faith that obeys.

​I think it's because we don't really understand the relationship of the law to us, we get all confused. So even though we aren't under law and we're under grace, the requirements of the law are met in us through obedience as we walk out our faith......as we love God and love our neighbor......in doing so we fulfill all of the law and all of the prophets.

So yes we're dead to the law and don't come under it anymore, but because we're married to Jesus now, because he fulfilled the law through obedience so we too will fulfill the law - not by straining and stressing.....but by grace through faith we uphold the beauty of the law.

Hi G7, Comments in blue.

the confusion comes from the fact that the Law, is used to speak of, the Law of moses, the Law of sin within our members, the law of Christ, the Law of the covenant ect....the only "Law" that is removed from being the authority over a christian is the book of the Law of moses, because it was for the purpose of witnessing to God, against sinners.

when paul is arguing that christians arent under the Law , its because there were judiazers coming into the churches, saying " you must be circumcised and keep the whole law of moses, in order to be a christian. its the one and only reason paul argues against being circumcized and under the law of moses.

the Law of moses, is the book that in it is written all of the hundreds of mosaic commands, things like " you must surely put to death the sinner, show no pity, no mercy" things like all of the festivals and ordinances that Came after Godspoke from horeb the ten commandments. it is what the jewish religion is, keeping the book of the Law, its why those in Jesus days wore phylacteries and saw themselves as righteous.

people tie the gospel of the kingdom, to the mosaic Law ith strange arguments that have no scriptural support. Christians law is the Law of the spirit of freedom, the Law of Christ better Known as the 4 gospels and all he taught His disciples. the book of the mosaic Law, is against anyone who sins, and actually causes sin to be aroused in us the Law of sin paul is talking about within us in romans 7. Jesus Gave Gods commands for those who believed in Him, those who would be born again through His death and resurrection. its a terrible error when people argue that Jesus gave the mosaic Law, or a new rendition of it, if you compare whats taught in the book of the Law, and the gospel, you find opposites.

Jesus " forgive the sinner" Moses " stone the sinner " Jesus show mercy" Moses "show no pity, no mercy", moses an eye for an eye, Jesus "turn the other cheek" Moses " keep every ordinance and ritual and cleansing rite" Jesus " you are clean because of the word i have spoken to you" Moses " if you are displeased with your wife, send her away with a divorce certificate, but you cant remarry her if she marries another and he puts her away" Jesus " if you divorce your wife for any reason other than fornication, you cause her to be an adulterer and yourself if you remarry" its wuite opposed because moses gave the law of flesh or "carnality" and Jesus gave the Law of the spirit of truth. One is life and one is death, christians simply follow Jesus and His word, and are not restrained by the mosaic Law.

Today we know the law of Moses as the law God gave him on Mt Sinia. To the people who lived at the time of Christ here on earth, the law of Moses meant all the rituals Moses gave them that scripture tells us were like school masters guiding children to school. The children were circumcised to show they accepted the one true God as their God. They did not eat meat from animals who ate garbage to remind them not to "eat", or take into their minds garbage thoughts.

We know, for example, that in England a boot can be what we call the trunk of a car. When we read an English novel that says something was put in the boot we know it wasn't put in a boot worn on the foot. In the same way, know that when the law of Moses is spoken of in Galations it is not laws related to the eternal law of love like the ten commandments are.

Scripture backs this up. We are told that the ten commandments we consider part of the law of Moses was eternal, always to be obeyed.

Just before Christ was born as a baby many gentiles saw the goodness that resulted from worshipping the one try God. They wanted to join. Then a pagan holiday would come up or some temptation and it seemed much better to go back to pagan fun. Often they would take Jews with them. Historians of that time tell us the priests made up a list of 18 requirements of gentiles wishing to join them. Writings have been found referring to this list but no copies have been found. They felt this would let sincere people join them and keep insincere people out. If they would have had newspapers like we do at that time it would have been front page news. This list was referred to as the law of Moses, sometimes as simply circucission, and sometimes even "traditions".

When the curtain was split at the time of the cruicifix it tore apart the barrier between Jew and gentile. Now we are one in Christ. Gentiles do not need to promise to be part of Jewish culture and Jews do not need to become gentiles yet they are united.

i have some agreement in principle with some things in your comment but id have to have you find the support for this part

"Scripture backs this up. We are told that the ten commandments we consider part of the law of Moses was eternal, always to be obeyed. "

Heres what scripture backes up as to my understanding

the covenant Law 1o commandments , eternal, written By Gods finger and given to moses, also spoken from horeb By God to the isrealites. Placed within the ark of the covenenat

written by Gods finger
exodus 31:18 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."

placed within the ark

exodus 25:16 "And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee."

the mosaic Law found in exodus, dueteronomy, leviticus, and numbers. containing hundreds of ordinances, condemnations, death sentances, rites of cleansing, and many other detailed jewish Laws. written by the hand of moses, a testimony against the rebelious

written completely and finished by Moses
deuteronomy 31:24 " And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,"

placed not within, but beside tha ark which held the ten commandments as a witness against the people who God plainly tells moses will break the commandments when moses dies( deut. ch 30-31)

deuteronomy 31:26 ""Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against you."

this then is what paul says regarding the law being taken away

colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; "

this then is what we see in Heaven

revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:...."<< the testament mentioned above in exodus 31:18 . contained within the ark of the testament shown above.

and the book of the Law that stood opposed to us, that was placed beside the ark ( which is where Gods glory dwelt in those days) is it mentioned later in Heaven?

revelATION 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals"

then rev 5: 5-7"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne."

Jesus accepting the book of the Law that was against us and opening its seals of Gods wrath that are written throughout the law of moses.

then the little book appears as open and revealed ( the gospel which is given to John in the vision ( an apostle of Jesus)

rev 10:8-11 "And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings."

notice that john is told to go to all people with this message, and Jesus says this

matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."



in other words, look back to my comment, and please show me the support you are mentioning, im always looking to learn some new things , from anyone who is willing....God bless

I like what you say about 'coming together...this can only happen in CHRIST JESUS...never in the law of Moses. But we are not there yet ! this is evident from the arguments and fierce opposition we see right here on forum !
I have said many times and say it again that the 10 Com were spoken to the people by GOD Himself Ex 20, Deut 5, and only these 10 did JESUS expand on in His teaching, He did not focus on the law of Moses when He said 'He kept His Fathers Commandments....it was the 10 He referred to.
Only when people call ALL law the 'law of Moses (making no difference between what GOD gave and what were given through Moses ) that ALL get abolished and cause confusion.
Seems there are still people among us who will NOT hear GOD anymore as in the old days Ex 20v19; Deut 20v22-25...and clinging to Moses they can not hear God and keep HIS Commandments, resulting in Mat 13v15.
There will be no peace or unity until they (we all) are healed of wrong concepts.
People must learn the difference between 'holy commandments of GOD which are eternal - and temporal commandments of WORKS through Moses...Lev 10v10.

amen to every word !!

paul also taught the commandments, as did james, and Jesus the ten commandments are eternally valid and the word " Love thy neighbor as thyself" is a breif summary of those things.

Please dont take my comments as arguing with yours, i sincerely have agreement to yours, the only thing i really disagree with, is that the Law of moses represents the ten commandments, and im honestly hoping you will add some scripture as to the rest of your comment because i agree with so much of it. and truly am looking to learn and share, sharpening each other is the design of God. Just trying to be clear, that im not at all disagreeing, only the linking of the ten commandments to the book of the Law.

My position of the ten commandments is they were valid before the book of the mosaic Law, after it, during Jesus minsitry on earth, after His death and resurrection, and will be forever. all im saying is the book of the Law is against us, the ten commandments are the Law of God, like a moral compass and paramiters for us to remain in Love, because Love is not just how we feel about another, or what we say, but much more how we treat others.....