GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

You indeed teach another Gospel and another Jesus not from Gods' Word to follow the deeds of your father. As Studyman has already shown you through scripture. If you follow man-made traditions that break the commandments of God then you are indeed not following God.

You indeed teach another Gospel and another Jesus not from Gods' Word to follow the deeds of your father. As Studyman has already shown you through scripture. If you follow man-made traditions that break the commandments of God then you are indeed not following God.

We have pretty much acknowledged there is a lot of false doctrines out there, I think you have agreed with this fact.

Another false preaching is the difference between the old and new covenants.

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Where is the evidence that God's Laws that He writes on His Peoples heart, changed? Mainstream preaching will site Heb. 7.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

The Levitical Priesthood had two main functions.

#1. To administer God's Instructions. "for under it the people received the law".

#2. perform sacrificial "works" for the remission of sins as spelled out by God through Moses.


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

When was the "Priesthood" changed? When Jesus became our High Priest, yes? But Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, only those from the tribe of Levi were designated for this "Priesthood".

So there also had to be a change in the "Priesthood Law".


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

So God's Instructions didn't change according to the Scriptures, the "Priesthood" changed. So now it isn't the Levites or Pharisees to carry out the two primary purposes of this Priesthood, it is Jesus our High Priest.

#1. I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts;

No more going to the Scribes to hear God's Word, we all have God's Word in our homes and in our minds. He administers God's Instructions, not the Levite.

#2. "for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

No more Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins. Jesus does this with His own blood. No more going to find a Levite to perform "Deeds" or "Works" of the Levitical Priesthood for remission of sins.

Paul points this out several times.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


It isn't the Levitical Priesthood that Jesus places in our minds, it is God's universal Laws that Abraham kept. He was justified "Apart" from this "law of works".

We are not judged by the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law", but by the Law of Faith that Abraham kept. Paul explains this as well.

Rom. 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Not the "Law of Works" but the Law of Faith.

Many preachers, who come in Christ's Name, preach that there is no difference between the "Law of Works' and the "Law of Faith". That when Paul mentions "Works of the Law" he is talking about ALL of God's Instructions. This is another insidious lie that has been accepted by "many".

Hi BibleGuy,

BIG Welcome here and so nice to meet you.

God's Word teaches that;

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to all good works (2 Tim 3:16-17).

and

Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Deut 8:3; Matthew 4:4)

The Old Testament was the bible of Jesus and the Apostles. Everything in the NEW Testament scriptures come from the OLD Testament. Together the OLD Testament and the NEW Testament scriptures are THE WORD OF GOD and we are to live by EVERY WORD OF IT.

FAITH in GOD'S WORD gives us the VICTORY to OVERCOME the WORLD. Without it we can do nothing.

Many of the OLD Testament scriptures point forward to the Messaih and outline God's plan of salvation under the NEW Covenant. While many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ much of the OLD Testament scriptures are built upon in the NEW Testament.

The OLD and NEW Testament scriptures are the two witnesses that agree and together they are the Gospel of Jesus Christ (our Savior from SIN).

May God bless you as you continue in His Words.

... While many of the Old Covenant laws for remission of SIN were fulfilled in Christ much of the OLD Testament scriptures are built upon in the NEW Testament.

Many? Not all? Jesus said He came to fulfill the law and prophets. Did He miss some?

I take my hat off to you for the work and study you put in. Personally, I like to keep things simple and to be honest with you, rather than work my way through the legal minefield, and possibly either take a false turning, or get blown up, I would far rather go to the source of my faith and simply follow Jesus. He has it all.

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, but according to you, that is a sin Did Jesus sin?
PS: I already know the answer I just wonder how you square that with your beliefs.

You Catholics are all the same. You create your own religion and condemn anyone who respects God's Words over your religious traditions.

That's OK though. God's Word doesn't return void. Some on here will see it.

Hello LoveGodForever,

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

I'm glad we agree with every statement you made in your reply to me.

I'm not sure what you mean, though, by: "...".

That is, do you believe that the Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws should not ever be observed again due to the fact that they have been "fulfilled in Christ" ?

Just curious to see where you stand on that point...

Thank you.

Hi Loveforgod, Your statement above is a very interesting one. Of course we all on here already know what you are really saying - and that is if you do not observe the OT Sabbath you are not a Christian. You need to come out of the SDA cult. That my friend is a false gospel!

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to the Gospel. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

SDA's place a lot of emphasis on obeying the Ten Commandments, particularly the fourth commandment as the based for receiving eternal life. Their whole end-time eschatology is built upon a great, cosmic conflict that is being played out before the entire universe, and the battle lines have been drawn over the Sabbath Commandment. The conflict over the Sabbath is the final conflict between good and evil, and it is the separating wall that divides "loyal" Christians from "disloyal" Christians.

With all this emphasis being placed upon the law, it is no wonder that SDA's have a tendency to get bogged down in legalism.

Ellen G White has only added to the problem with some of her legalistic statements such as these below:
"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God". "To obey the commandments of God is the only way to obtain His favor." "He [man] must be reconciled to God through obedience to His law."

Scripture teaches that obedience to the commandments/law has no part in earning God's favor or His reconciliation:

Romans 3:22 - even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. ..for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:16,21)

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

There is a danger in any religious philosophy that depends in any degree on works to obtain or earn salvation.

Hi BibleGuy,

Yes always happy to share God's Word. Thank you also for sharing as well. What I mean't with the above is that no more animal sacrifices and sin offereing are required anymore as they all pointed to Jesus the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the World (John 1:29).

We are also no longer to follow the earthly Levitical/priestly/sacrificial laws as these are continuing now on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands on our behalf under the NEW Covenant with Jesus as our great high priest (Hebrews Chapters 7-10). You are correct that there are many prophecies yet to be fulfilled in the Old Testament.

May God bless you as you continue in his Word.

Hi there!

Did Jesus say he fulfilled ALL the prophets in every possible sense?

I don't think so.

After all, there are many yet-unfulfilled prophecies (in the Prophets) which pertain to future activities of the Messiah.

So then, many prophecies in the Prophets are still NOT fully fulfilled in every sense.

Likewise with the law: There is prophecy in the Law which is not yet fulfilled (i.e., it has not yet happened).

So it's Biblically OK to say that elements of the law and prophets are NOT yet fully fulfilled in every sense.

Anyway....just thought I'd jump in there with this thought.

best...

Hi Loveforgod,

Your statement above is a very interesting one. Of course we all on here already know what you are really saying - and that is if you do not observe the OT Sabbath you are not a Christian. You need to come out of the SDA cult.

That my friend is a false gospel!

Are you sure you know the answer Magenta. You say things in your post like your friends that I have never said or believe. Your interpretation of the scriptures seem mixed up. Do you know the answer? I do not know if you do or not.

Amen brother! False gospel indeed! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda which claims that SDA’s do not trust in the law for salvation or teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” then accuse believers of bearing false witness against them when we call them out on it. Here is an example below:

Guilty as charged! Like I said before. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Could you give an example of how I have misrepresented your position?

Originally Posted by Magenta

Jesus worked on the Sabbath, but according to you, that is a sin

Amen brother! False gospel indeed! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda which claims that SDA’s do not trust in the law for salvation or teach salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works” then accuse believers of bearing false witness against them when we call them out on it. Here is an example below:
Guilty as charged! Like I said before. Subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Yep here you go...

Nope no bold face lie here. I have never said or believed that Jesus broke God's Sabbath as explained to you in the previous post. You were implying in your post I believe something that I do not.