Possible cause/s for the collapse of the US
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Why are you so hung up on the US? It's not your country, and no one has a clue as to when it will collapse as a superpower. We don't even know if it already has.
In the time of Solomon the three superpowers were Babylon, Egypt, and Israel. Notice, none of them are superpowers anymore, and the world has survived.
God is sovereign. Trust him.
In the time of Solomon the three superpowers were Babylon, Egypt, and Israel. Notice, none of them are superpowers anymore, and the world has survived.
God is sovereign. Trust him.
Alex Jones interviewed someone who said that the Syrian children who "died" in the chemical attacks were paid to have water sprayed on them then dusted with green to make them look dead. This is why the white hat rebels chased the UN inspectors out at gunpoint. Trump has defunded the white hats.
These alive children were taken to the EU and Russia where they were interviewed by the news media.
The interviewee said Trump's attack on Syria military will make the world see the USA as an aggressor.
The USA has been used as the military arm of the globalists.
We are seen as imperialists by the rest of the world.
If we go down, no one will shed a tear.
Trump has seen the video of the "dead" children interviews.
They look the same as they did in Syria posing as dead.
These alive children were taken to the EU and Russia where they were interviewed by the news media.
The interviewee said Trump's attack on Syria military will make the world see the USA as an aggressor.
The USA has been used as the military arm of the globalists.
We are seen as imperialists by the rest of the world.
If we go down, no one will shed a tear.
Trump has seen the video of the "dead" children interviews.
They look the same as they did in Syria posing as dead.
All governments,from every country, have entire agencies devoted to disinformation, counter information and various kinds of deception.
Therefore, we should not find it implausible to consider that deceptions, of some variety, may occur at times.
However, the fact that "deceptions may sometimes occur" does nothing to validate Alex Jones as a reliable source.
And when you absolutely cannot figure out who did something...
it's probably aliens.
Like the mythical phoenix bird that is consumed in fire, and out if it's ashes arises a new phoenix bird, America must collapse and out if its ashes will arise the ten horn kingdom, but the ten horn kingdom is also planned to collapse to give birth to the beast kingdom in Revelation 13.
America is an occult nation that allows all religions to be practiced there, even Satanism and the occult, and allows all ethnic groups to live there to show the world that all religions and ethnic groups can live in harmony, and have things in common despite their differences.
Which on the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.
America is symbolic of the Babylon system and is called the daughter of Babylon.
Which Babylon has not fallen yet but will fall in the future.
The dream of Nebuchadnezzar of an image of a man in Daniel 2, and Daniel's vision of 4 beasts in Daniel 7 are the same interpretation.
Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, The Roman Empire, which they all were diverse from each other, which Babylon represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.Medo-Persia represents physical cruelty.Greece represents human wisdom.The Roman Empire represents pushing for power, and control of the world.
Although all 4 beasts went by the 4 ways of people there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation.
The first 3 beasts dominion was taken away but their lives were prolonged for a time and a season which means their ways are still on earth, and they show up at the beast kingdom.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until God puts them down, and they will become ten horns the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in to pieces, and the little horn that comes from them is the man of sin, New Age Christ, who shall have power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.
No kingdom has been the kingdom of man in its entirety for they lacked going totally by the ways of people for their belief in a higher power, but the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in its entirety, the physical dominion is the Roman Empire including America, Canada, and any nation or territory that is Caucasian led that will pull all nations together, with the ways of a lion, Babylon in their chief mode of operation, human religion,the occult, and represents the kingdom of man, with the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia in their chief mode of operation, physical cruelty to take away every person on earth that opposes their kingdom, and the ways of a leopard, Greece, going only by their wisdom, and this kingdom acknowledges no personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.
In Daniel 2 it is the same 4 kingdoms and the 4 kingdoms do not fall until Jesus hits the ten toes, ten horn kingdom, the feet of the image of a man, then they all fall, for while the first 3 kingdoms will never have physical dominion again as long as their ways are on earth they have not fallen yet.
Babylon has not fallen yet and the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit and she must fall.
It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth and He is love and loves all people, and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is allowing the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom and when they do He will put them down.
Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.
America represents the Babylonian system and the ones promoting peace in the earth, but she must collapse which will cause the nations to come together to continue with the peace plan America started, and to try to establish peace on earth.
So America is planned to collapse on purpose so the ten horn kingdom can come about, but the ten horn kingdom is also planned to collapse so the beast kingdom will be accepted as the solution to have peace on earth.
WW1,League of Nations.WW2,United Nations.WW3,the religion of Islam against the world during the first three and one half years, which 3 horns, sections of the world will be plucked up by the roots, nuclear weapons, and one third of the world perishes which will be mostly in the Arab nations, which will cause the world that does not love God to follow the beast kingdom, which the ten horns hand their power over to the beast, New Age Christ, and that is how he gets control of the world.
He convinces the world that he harnessed the power of nature and obtained power, evolved, and will share this power with all people that follow him, and the Christ conscience will come upon them and they can be an ascended master, and avatar, and the beast acknowledges no personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and in to the occult, nature worship, and witchcraft.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement and people that interpret the Bible according to the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, spiritual evolution through nature and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and an ascended master and avatar, and honor the God of forces or the power of nature as their higher power.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world and will become a unified religious system with all religions interpreted according to their interpretation as the only religion, and all beliefs not compatible is not tolerated and against international law to teach such practices that are not compatible, which all governments come together in agreement but the religion of Islam the people of those countries will rebel against them.
It will also be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and to be a vegetarian because they reverence nature.
Because the powers to be and who actually has the power and controls wants to establish evolution and people can still evolve as the standard religion in the world, and to produce the New Age Christ, but they do not believe he will help them to evolve until all the nations agree to be as one and try to establish peace on earth.
The 7 years period will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East, and the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.
Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.
Russia and America are working together,and Right Wing and Left Wing are working together.
Many beliefs on earth,get everyone involved to gather the world together.
The Hegel System.
1.Thesis.
2.Anti-thesis.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form which they belief is a better system,a compromise and blending of the 2.
1.Thesis-America.
2.Anti-thesis-Russia.
3 Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form,a compromise and blending of the 2 incorporating the ways of both in to the system.
Right Wing and Left Wing is also a Hegel principle.
That's the plan to establish the Bible and religion in the world according to the occult, and evolution, so they can become greater than their current position.
God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is letting the world have their way for 7 years to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom then He will put them down, so it has to involve all the world, the governments.
Which I was thinking about the greed of businesses and people in America and in Europe at the high levels of finances, big corporations, and people of great wealth that you know do not care about God, and this is what I thought.
What is more important to these people with vast amounts of money, to have money to exalt themselves, or to evolve through nature to be godlike and spiritual and can never die, which ask any young person would they rather be superman or have one billion dollars and you know the answer would be to be superman.
And since the New Age Christ will not help them to evolve to be greater until every single nation's governments are all in agreement with each to try to solve peace, then having a plan to feed and clothe and take care of the needs of all will appeal to many of the nations that are not Caucasian to be in agreement about what is going on.
And all those billions and billions of dollars would be useful for this purpose, which is probably why they are charging so much money for things in America so they can gather as much money as possible for this to happen, because money means nothing to them when they can be godlike and evolve to be greater, and I am talking about big corporations, and people that have a ludicrous amount of money.
And they do not want to do this by force but must cause them all willingly to want to comply, and if one nation decides not to comply then their plan cannot come to pass, and money being distributed to all people for their needs and their country to do better would persuade them to comply, especially third world countries, but of course fear will hit a lot of them as America and Europe are cooperating with each other which is a power that is massive.
The plan is to establish evolution and people can still evolve as the standard religion in the world so they can produce the New Age Christ so he can give them the power to evolve and be greater.
And America represents the Babylonian system and is an occult nation that is showing that all religions and ethnic groups can get along despite their differences, and to get them caught up in the flesh which the more they will exalt themselves, and leave the good morals of Christianity, and make them appear hypocritical, and promotes peace in the world.
But like the occult mythical Phoenix bird they will collapse so the ten horn kingdom can come about, but the ten horn kingdom is planned to collapse as they want a war between Islam and the world to happen which they are not worried about it for weapons and the world are on their side, so after that war the beast kingdom will come about in which they hate the whore, the unified religious system, and get rid of her for they have no need for her anymore for the New Age Christ will cause them to be able to evolve and be greater.
Because God has to one day end this sin business on earth, so He is allowing the world a certain amount of time to cause all who do not love Him to rebel against Him so He can put them down, so the devil will be able to deceive those of a rebellious nature more than he could do in the past for God would not let the devil go that far.
So in the future all hell is going to break lose as the devil will be able to deceive more than he could in the past where the wicked can be as wicked as they want to be, and the devil can influence them as much as wants to at the beast kingdom.
For it is time for God to end this sin business on earth.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Daniel did not understand but they will understand at the end time when there is advanced travel, and advanced technology, for they can see, know, and hear, of what is going on in the world, and know how the world can come together as one.
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
If you understand what is going on then you are not part of the wicked but part of the wise.
America is an occult nation that allows all religions to be practiced there, even Satanism and the occult, and allows all ethnic groups to live there to show the world that all religions and ethnic groups can live in harmony, and have things in common despite their differences.
Which on the back of the dollar bill, announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.
America is symbolic of the Babylon system and is called the daughter of Babylon.
Which Babylon has not fallen yet but will fall in the future.
The dream of Nebuchadnezzar of an image of a man in Daniel 2, and Daniel's vision of 4 beasts in Daniel 7 are the same interpretation.
Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, The Roman Empire, which they all were diverse from each other, which Babylon represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.Medo-Persia represents physical cruelty.Greece represents human wisdom.The Roman Empire represents pushing for power, and control of the world.
Although all 4 beasts went by the 4 ways of people there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation.
The first 3 beasts dominion was taken away but their lives were prolonged for a time and a season which means their ways are still on earth, and they show up at the beast kingdom.
The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until God puts them down, and they will become ten horns the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in to pieces, and the little horn that comes from them is the man of sin, New Age Christ, who shall have power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.
No kingdom has been the kingdom of man in its entirety for they lacked going totally by the ways of people for their belief in a higher power, but the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in its entirety, the physical dominion is the Roman Empire including America, Canada, and any nation or territory that is Caucasian led that will pull all nations together, with the ways of a lion, Babylon in their chief mode of operation, human religion,the occult, and represents the kingdom of man, with the ways of a bear, Medo-Persia in their chief mode of operation, physical cruelty to take away every person on earth that opposes their kingdom, and the ways of a leopard, Greece, going only by their wisdom, and this kingdom acknowledges no personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.
In Daniel 2 it is the same 4 kingdoms and the 4 kingdoms do not fall until Jesus hits the ten toes, ten horn kingdom, the feet of the image of a man, then they all fall, for while the first 3 kingdoms will never have physical dominion again as long as their ways are on earth they have not fallen yet.
Babylon has not fallen yet and the beast kingdom is Babylon in spirit and she must fall.
It is the time for God to end this sin business on earth and He is love and loves all people, and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is allowing the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom and when they do He will put them down.
Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.
America represents the Babylonian system and the ones promoting peace in the earth, but she must collapse which will cause the nations to come together to continue with the peace plan America started, and to try to establish peace on earth.
So America is planned to collapse on purpose so the ten horn kingdom can come about, but the ten horn kingdom is also planned to collapse so the beast kingdom will be accepted as the solution to have peace on earth.
WW1,League of Nations.WW2,United Nations.WW3,the religion of Islam against the world during the first three and one half years, which 3 horns, sections of the world will be plucked up by the roots, nuclear weapons, and one third of the world perishes which will be mostly in the Arab nations, which will cause the world that does not love God to follow the beast kingdom, which the ten horns hand their power over to the beast, New Age Christ, and that is how he gets control of the world.
He convinces the world that he harnessed the power of nature and obtained power, evolved, and will share this power with all people that follow him, and the Christ conscience will come upon them and they can be an ascended master, and avatar, and the beast acknowledges no personal God, but honors the God of forces, or the power of nature as his higher power, and in to the occult, nature worship, and witchcraft.
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The new age movement and people that interpret the Bible according to the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, spiritual evolution through nature and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment, and an ascended master and avatar, and honor the God of forces or the power of nature as their higher power.
The new age movement is the future for this sinful world and will become a unified religious system with all religions interpreted according to their interpretation as the only religion, and all beliefs not compatible is not tolerated and against international law to teach such practices that are not compatible, which all governments come together in agreement but the religion of Islam the people of those countries will rebel against them.
It will also be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction, and to be a vegetarian because they reverence nature.
Because the powers to be and who actually has the power and controls wants to establish evolution and people can still evolve as the standard religion in the world, and to produce the New Age Christ, but they do not believe he will help them to evolve until all the nations agree to be as one and try to establish peace on earth.
The 7 years period will begin when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East, and the Gentile nations come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth.
Controlled conflict brings about controlled change.
Russia and America are working together,and Right Wing and Left Wing are working together.
Many beliefs on earth,get everyone involved to gather the world together.
The Hegel System.
1.Thesis.
2.Anti-thesis.
3.Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form which they belief is a better system,a compromise and blending of the 2.
1.Thesis-America.
2.Anti-thesis-Russia.
3 Synthesis-back to the first but in a higher form,a compromise and blending of the 2 incorporating the ways of both in to the system.
Right Wing and Left Wing is also a Hegel principle.
That's the plan to establish the Bible and religion in the world according to the occult, and evolution, so they can become greater than their current position.
God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is letting the world have their way for 7 years to cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom then He will put them down, so it has to involve all the world, the governments.
Which I was thinking about the greed of businesses and people in America and in Europe at the high levels of finances, big corporations, and people of great wealth that you know do not care about God, and this is what I thought.
What is more important to these people with vast amounts of money, to have money to exalt themselves, or to evolve through nature to be godlike and spiritual and can never die, which ask any young person would they rather be superman or have one billion dollars and you know the answer would be to be superman.
And since the New Age Christ will not help them to evolve to be greater until every single nation's governments are all in agreement with each to try to solve peace, then having a plan to feed and clothe and take care of the needs of all will appeal to many of the nations that are not Caucasian to be in agreement about what is going on.
And all those billions and billions of dollars would be useful for this purpose, which is probably why they are charging so much money for things in America so they can gather as much money as possible for this to happen, because money means nothing to them when they can be godlike and evolve to be greater, and I am talking about big corporations, and people that have a ludicrous amount of money.
And they do not want to do this by force but must cause them all willingly to want to comply, and if one nation decides not to comply then their plan cannot come to pass, and money being distributed to all people for their needs and their country to do better would persuade them to comply, especially third world countries, but of course fear will hit a lot of them as America and Europe are cooperating with each other which is a power that is massive.
The plan is to establish evolution and people can still evolve as the standard religion in the world so they can produce the New Age Christ so he can give them the power to evolve and be greater.
And America represents the Babylonian system and is an occult nation that is showing that all religions and ethnic groups can get along despite their differences, and to get them caught up in the flesh which the more they will exalt themselves, and leave the good morals of Christianity, and make them appear hypocritical, and promotes peace in the world.
But like the occult mythical Phoenix bird they will collapse so the ten horn kingdom can come about, but the ten horn kingdom is planned to collapse as they want a war between Islam and the world to happen which they are not worried about it for weapons and the world are on their side, so after that war the beast kingdom will come about in which they hate the whore, the unified religious system, and get rid of her for they have no need for her anymore for the New Age Christ will cause them to be able to evolve and be greater.
Because God has to one day end this sin business on earth, so He is allowing the world a certain amount of time to cause all who do not love Him to rebel against Him so He can put them down, so the devil will be able to deceive those of a rebellious nature more than he could do in the past for God would not let the devil go that far.
So in the future all hell is going to break lose as the devil will be able to deceive more than he could in the past where the wicked can be as wicked as they want to be, and the devil can influence them as much as wants to at the beast kingdom.
For it is time for God to end this sin business on earth.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Daniel did not understand but they will understand at the end time when there is advanced travel, and advanced technology, for they can see, know, and hear, of what is going on in the world, and know how the world can come together as one.
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
If you understand what is going on then you are not part of the wicked but part of the wise.
Great. Now you got MattforJesus started. 
I only have two thoughts on this topic:
1. It doesn't look like the USA is going to collapse any time soon. Inertia has so far proven greater than any incompetence our leaders have brought about.
2. IF there were a collapse, and IF there were an identifiable cause, and IF it could be prevented... a few people on a forum are not the ones who could prevent it. Anything we decide here in this thread is moot.
I only have two thoughts on this topic:
1. It doesn't look like the USA is going to collapse any time soon. Inertia has so far proven greater than any incompetence our leaders have brought about.
2. IF there were a collapse, and IF there were an identifiable cause, and IF it could be prevented... a few people on a forum are not the ones who could prevent it. Anything we decide here in this thread is moot.
The US should not follow this ancient Kingdom whom God in the end punished.
Isaiah Chapter 10
Arrogant Assyria Also Judged
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,
And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Yet he does not mean so,
Nor does his heart think so;
But it is in his heart to destroy,
And cut off not a few nations.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he says,
‘Are not my princes altogether kings?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Is not Calno like Carchemish?
Is not Hamath like Arpad?
Is not Samaria like Damascus?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]As my hand has found the kingdoms of the idols,
Whose carved images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]As I have done to Samaria and her idols,
Shall I not do also to Jerusalem and her idols?’”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Lord has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, that He will say, “I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his haughty looks.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he says:
“By the strength of my hand I have done it,
And by my wisdom, for I am prudent;
Also I have removed the boundaries of the people,
And have robbed their treasuries;
So I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]My hand has found like a nest the riches of the people,
And as one gathers eggs that are left,
I have gathered all the earth;
And there was no one who moved his wing,
Nor opened his mouth with even a peep.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Shall the ax boast itself against him who chops with it?
Or shall the saw exalt itself against him who saws with it?
As if a rod could wield itself against those who lift it up,
Or as if a staff could lift up, as if it were not wood!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord, the Lord[SUP][a][/SUP] of hosts,
Will send leanness among his fat ones;
And under his glory
He will kindle a burning
Like the burning of a fire.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So the Light of Israel will be for a fire,
And his Holy One for a flame;
It will burn and devour
His thorns and his briers in one day.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And it will consume the glory of his forest and of his fruitful field,
Both soul and body;
And they will be as when a sick man wastes away.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the rest of the trees of his forest
Will be so few in number
That a child may write them.
Isaiah Chapter 10
Arrogant Assyria Also Judged
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“Woe to Assyria, the rod of My anger
And the staff in whose hand is My indignation.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will send him against an ungodly nation,
And against the people of My wrath
I will give him charge,
To seize the spoil, to take the prey,
And to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Yet he does not mean so,
Nor does his heart think so;
But it is in his heart to destroy,
And cut off not a few nations.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he says,
‘Are not my princes altogether kings?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Is not Calno like Carchemish?
Is not Hamath like Arpad?
Is not Samaria like Damascus?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]As my hand has found the kingdoms of the idols,
Whose carved images excelled those of Jerusalem and Samaria,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]As I have done to Samaria and her idols,
Shall I not do also to Jerusalem and her idols?’”
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Lord has performed all His work on Mount Zion and on Jerusalem, that He will say, “I will punish the fruit of the arrogant heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his haughty looks.”
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he says:
“By the strength of my hand I have done it,
And by my wisdom, for I am prudent;
Also I have removed the boundaries of the people,
And have robbed their treasuries;
So I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]My hand has found like a nest the riches of the people,
And as one gathers eggs that are left,
I have gathered all the earth;
And there was no one who moved his wing,
Nor opened his mouth with even a peep.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Shall the ax boast itself against him who chops with it?
Or shall the saw exalt itself against him who saws with it?
As if a rod could wield itself against those who lift it up,
Or as if a staff could lift up, as if it were not wood!
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord, the Lord[SUP][a][/SUP] of hosts,
Will send leanness among his fat ones;
And under his glory
He will kindle a burning
Like the burning of a fire.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So the Light of Israel will be for a fire,
And his Holy One for a flame;
It will burn and devour
His thorns and his briers in one day.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And it will consume the glory of his forest and of his fruitful field,
Both soul and body;
And they will be as when a sick man wastes away.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then the rest of the trees of his forest
Will be so few in number
That a child may write them.
The present American president and to all his successors must not imitate this wicked king whom God had punished in the end.
Daniel Chapter 5
[SUP]18 [/SUP]O king, the Most High God gave Nebuchadnezzar your father a kingdom and majesty, glory and honor. [SUP]
19 [/SUP]And because of the majesty that He gave him, all peoples, nations, and languages trembled and feared before him. Whomever he wished, he executed; whomever he wished, he kept alive; whomever he wished, he set up; and whomever he wished, he put down.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then he was driven from the sons of men, his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild donkeys. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till he knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses. [SUP]
22 [/SUP]“But you his son, Belshazzar, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this. [SUP]
23 [/SUP]And you have lifted yourself up against the Lord of heaven. They have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your lords, your wives and your concubines, have drunk wine from them. And you have praised the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone, which do not see or hear or know; and the God who holds your breath in His hand and owns all your ways, you have not glorified.
Daniel Chapter 5
[SUP]18 [/SUP]O king, the Most High God gave Nebuchadnezzar your father a kingdom and majesty, glory and honor. [SUP]
19 [/SUP]And because of the majesty that He gave him, all peoples, nations, and languages trembled and feared before him. Whomever he wished, he executed; whomever he wished, he kept alive; whomever he wished, he set up; and whomever he wished, he put down.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then he was driven from the sons of men, his heart was made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild donkeys. They fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till he knew that the Most High God rules in the kingdom of men, and appoints over it whomever He chooses. [SUP]
22 [/SUP]“But you his son, Belshazzar, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this. [SUP]
23 [/SUP]And you have lifted yourself up against the Lord of heaven. They have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your lords, your wives and your concubines, have drunk wine from them. And you have praised the gods of silver and gold, bronze and iron, wood and stone, which do not see or hear or know; and the God who holds your breath in His hand and owns all your ways, you have not glorified.
This is terrible hermeneutics! You can't just take a passage in Daniel, from the OT, about Belshazzar, and willy nilly change the name of the person who it is directed to! You can't just substitute the name "Trump" for Belshazzar!
In fact, you could put any name in there, and by your standards, it would be fair game. That is simply BAD Biblical interpretation.
"But you his son, Henry VIII, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this."
"But you his son, Hitler have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this."
"But you his son, Mr. Rogers, have not humbled your heart, although you knew all this.
Do you see what I mean? You have no grounds to substitute the present president of the Untied States into that verse.
As for the military power of the US protecting your country, perhaps you would be better off not trusting in "Egypt" or "chariots and horses."
"[FONT="]Some trust in chariots[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="] and some in horse
[/FONT][FONT="]but we trust in the name of the [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] our God." Psalm 20:7
[/FONT]While this specifically applies to Israel trusting in Egypt to defeat foreign powers, and refers back to when God delivered the Israelites from the Egyptian army, there is a Biblical principle here. The principle, is that as Christians, we need to put our trust in God, not foreign military powers for our safety.
"[FONT="]31 Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help,[/FONT]
[FONT="] who rely on horses,[/FONT]
[FONT="]who trust in the multitude of their chariots[/FONT]
[FONT="] and in the great strength of their horsemen,[/FONT]
[FONT="]but do not look to the Holy One of Israel,[/FONT]
[FONT="] or seek help from the Lord.[/FONT]
[FONT="]2 Yet he too is wise and can bring disaster;[/FONT]
[FONT="] he does not take back his words.[/FONT]
[FONT="]He will rise up against that wicked nation,[/FONT]
[FONT="] against those who help evildoers.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 But the Egyptians are mere mortals and not God;[/FONT]
[FONT="] their horses are flesh and not spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]When the Lord stretches out his hand,[/FONT]
[FONT="] those who help will stumble,[/FONT]
[FONT="] those who are helped will fall;[/FONT]
[FONT="] all will perish together." Isa. 31:1-3
Because the Bible mentions this concept in a number of places and situations, it would be much more appropriate to apply this principle to your own country, than to ravage the text by inserting names that do not belong in one passage. We ALL need to trust in God, first and foremost. And while it is wonderful the US has a far reaching military, able to defend the South Pacific area, it still does not mean you should put all your trust in this nation, instead of God. [/FONT]
Wait, what? jameen this whole thread was just so you could copy-paste Bible chunks at the president?
Not only is this terrible hermeneutics, it is incredibly pointless. The president won't read this thread and I would make a wild guess that nobody here on this forum has the president's ear.
So... basically you're just venting? Kind of like political gossip? This thread is reminding me of the old men who sit around the table at the local diner and complain about politics, declare what they think everybody in power should be doing, but never actually change anything because they are just a group of old men sitting around a table at the local diner.
Not only is this terrible hermeneutics, it is incredibly pointless. The president won't read this thread and I would make a wild guess that nobody here on this forum has the president's ear.
So... basically you're just venting? Kind of like political gossip? This thread is reminding me of the old men who sit around the table at the local diner and complain about politics, declare what they think everybody in power should be doing, but never actually change anything because they are just a group of old men sitting around a table at the local diner.
I posted the Bible verses in order to remind that the US and its presidents will not also do what Assyria and Babylon kings had done in the past that made them collapse in the end.
Just for clarification.
Do you wonder why the Old Testament has records of children of Israel's iniquities?
Romans 15:4 For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
In order to learn not to repeat the same mistakes done in the past.
Proverbs 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.
Just for clarification.
Do you wonder why the Old Testament has records of children of Israel's iniquities?
Romans 15:4 For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
In order to learn not to repeat the same mistakes done in the past.
Proverbs 21:12 The righteous man wisely considereth the house of the wicked: but God overthroweth the wicked for their wickedness.
Cultural rot. Political polarization easily traced along geographic lines. The Dollar/Debt Bomb (personal and national). Entitlements, taxes, and regulations killing innovation and wealth-creation. Not enough babies to replace our generation.
But...we still have a lot going for us.
We'll probably reach a low and rebound a little different, but still distinctly American. Perhaps stronger than we've ever been. Rome underwent many such shuffles in her history and we're bound to follow the same track.
But...we still have a lot going for us.
We'll probably reach a low and rebound a little different, but still distinctly American. Perhaps stronger than we've ever been. Rome underwent many such shuffles in her history and we're bound to follow the same track.
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