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Gods people keep his word. those who have never seen God do not. Although they can still do works of obedience (appear) as shown by Christ himself when there are people who claim to have done all these mighty works in Jesus name, and jesus says to depart BECAUSE HE NEVER KNEW THEM

If you think the ability to not commit adultry proves your saved, your in serious trouble.

More opinion, while disregarding the scriptures.


This is the common theme among the OSAS crowd. The doctrine of man.


28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29


  • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

  • those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation


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ok, so it is more than just calling out on the name of God, It is continuing to work. As I suspected and as people have been saying all along.

Thank you for proving you preach works.

I know that I have eternal life

1. Jesus promised it to me (john 3, john 6 and many other passages)
2. John said I can know I have it
3. The bible also says that I have been perfected forever (heb 10) even while I am in the process of being sanctified.
and
4. it said that since God started the work of sanctifying me, that that great work he started in me, He will complete it up until the day of Christ,


and If I had any doubts

He gave me the spirit in my heart as a pledge of my salvation until the day of christ or the day of redemption or the ressurection, when I will be glorified.

I suggest you learn the difference between the 2 judgment days.

1. Bema seat - given to believers only, a seat where the judge gives rewards, We will all have our works tried by fire, but even if all our work is burnt, we will still be saved as though through fire. (i cor 12)

2. Great white throne, Death and hades (not paradise) are delivered to Christ for judgment, they are all tried for their works, and found wanting, because no matter how many works they may have, as jesus said, Depart from me FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU. No believer will take part in this judgment seat, A believer is promised to be ressurected by Christ, not delivered to him.

Where's your scriptures?


Back to relying on the opinion of man?


LOL


  • God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:


God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8


  • eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;




JPT
 
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Your joking. You mean to say none of the Old Testament saints will be in Glory because they didn't know Jesus. I assume you know who Jesus is?

Here are some people who knew the Lord Jesus Christ and have returned back into the corruption of the world.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

Big fail for OSAS.

again

youre speaking of a false faith

those who KNEW (KNOWING) the truth

and forsake the KNOWLEDGE of the truth then are given over to their lusts

mark 4

3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.


______________

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

called but not chosen <- no saving faith
not born again.... no root

their hearts were not transformed but rejected the seed
they would reject Him the moment they hear of the truth

____________

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves
, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

again no root... not born again
no enduring faith

trials and tribulations were enough to prove they did not have a saving faith

______________

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


no saving faith... they turn from the knowledge of God to jump back into a life of living in and justifying sin and worldly pleasures instead of accepting they are wicked and need Him

(like the reprobate)
never born again

Romans 1
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

____________



20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


theeeese are born again sons/daughters of God
Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


and unlike demons who know of Him but have no faith IN Him

there is fruit due to being rooted IN Him

(born again by grace through faith.... not works)

1 peter


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

we are those who no doubt continue in the faith
______________
1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

________
not those who fall away into unbelief
 
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eternally-gratefull

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More opinion, while disregarding the scriptures.


This is the common theme among the OSAS crowd. The doctrine of man.


28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29


  • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

  • those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation


JPT
Typical of self righteous legalists. They want to puff up their works. And not Gods grace and mercy and forgiveness and honor and glory.

1. Gods people do good. and cannot live in sin, because they have been born of God

2. Those who disbelieve and are not Gods people, Do evil. (live in sin) because they have not believed.


Those verses speak of who Gods people are. and Who gods people are not. it does not say why they are gods people or why they are not.

but you have to remember,

King david did evil with Bathsheba and her husband, Yet he will be in heaven, So will abraham, and moses who also killed a man.

Take your fosuc off self. and put it on christ, You will never live up to Gods standard..
 
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Your joking. You mean to say none of the Old Testament saints will be in Glory because they didn't know Jesus. I assume you know who Jesus is?

Here are some people who knew the Lord Jesus Christ and have returned back into the corruption of the world.

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

Big fail for OSAS.
God does not fail, He promised to continue and complete the work. People who fell never were saved, They may have known him, because of the people they hung around (christians) who exposed the light of God to them, But they never KNEW HIM (adopted by him)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where's your scriptures?


Back to relying on the opinion of man?


LOL


  • God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:


God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8


  • eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;




JPT
lol.. Wow you just completely exposed yourself. I gave scriptures. If you would have read you would have seen

So lets see if I used scripture or not. and expose you for lying

eternally-gratefull said:


ok, so it is more than just calling out on the name of God, It is continuing to work. As I suspected and as people have been saying all along.

Thank you for proving you preach works.

I know that I have eternal life

1. Jesus promised it to me (john 3, john 6 and many other passages)
John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

John 6:
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

2. John said I can know I have it
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

3. The bible also says that I have been perfected forever (heb 10) even while I am in the process of being sanctified.
Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

and
4. it said that since God started the work of sanctifying me, that that great work he started in me, He will complete it up until the day of Christ,
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;


and If I had any doubts

He gave me the spirit in my heart as a pledge of my salvation until the day of christ or the day of redemption or the ressurection, when I will be glorified.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22
who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

I suggest you learn the difference between the 2 judgment days.

1. Bema seat - given to believers only, a seat where the judge gives rewards, We will all have our works tried by fire, but even if all our work is burnt, we will still be saved as though through fire. (i cor3 )
1 cor 3: 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

2. Great white throne, Death and hades (not paradise) are delivered to Christ for judgment, they are all tried for their works, and found wanting, because no matter how many works they may have, as jesus said, Depart from me FOR I NEVER KNEW YOU. No believer will take part in this judgment seat, A believer is promised to be ressurected by Christ, not delivered to him.
rev 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

so take your no scripture lies someplace else buddy, If your going to be dishonest, don;t come in here trying to proclaim you speak for God!
 

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Do you believe a born again Christian who lives in sin, has eternal life?
A born-again Christian would not continue to live in sin, an occasional stumble perhaps, but not a continued sinful lifestyle. All born-again Christians will have eternal life.
 

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again

youre speaking of a false faith

those who KNEW (KNOWING) the truth

and forsake the KNOWLEDGE of the truth then are given over to their lusts

mark 4

3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.


______________

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

called but not chosen <- no saving faith
not born again.... no root


their hearts were not transformed but rejected the seed
they would reject Him the moment they hear of the truth

____________

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

again no root... not born again
no enduring faith


trials and tribulations were enough to prove they did not have a saving faith
______________

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


no saving faith... they turn from the knowledge of God to jump back into a life of living in and justifying sin and worldly pleasures instead of accepting they are wicked and need Him

(like the reprobate)

never born again

Romans 1
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

____________



20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


theeeese are born again sons/daughters of God
Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


and unlike demons who know of Him but have no faith IN Him

there is fruit due to being rooted IN Him

(born again by grace through faith.... not works)

1 peter


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

we are those who no doubt continue in the faith
______________
1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

________
not those who fall away into unbelief
They knew our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and went back into the world. You are posting irrelevancies. So much for OSAS.
 

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God does not fail, He promised to continue and complete the work. People who fell never were saved, They may have known him, because of the people they hung around (christians) who exposed the light of God to them, But they never KNEW HIM (adopted by him)
2 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

God will never fail to send those who fall by the wayside to Hell. Of that we can be certain.
 
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They knew our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and went back into the world. You are posting irrelevancies. So much for OSAS.

saying "nuh-uh" doesnt make the truth go away
no matter how much you want it to

they were never made new
plain and simple

knowledge of God does not = faith in God

and belief of God does not = faith IN Jesus


mark 4

3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.


______________

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

called but not chosen <- no saving faith
not born again.... no root

their hearts were not transformed but rejected the seed
they would reject Him the moment they hear of the truth

____________

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves
, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

again no root... not born again
no enduring faith

trials and tribulations were enough to prove they did not have a saving faith

______________

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


no saving faith... they turn from the knowledge of God to jump back into a life of living in and justifying sin and worldly pleasures instead of accepting they are wicked and need Him

(like the reprobate)
never born again

Romans 1
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

____________



20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


theeeese are born again sons/daughters of God
Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


and unlike demons who know of Him but have no faith IN Him

there is fruit due to being rooted IN Him

(born again by grace through faith.... not works)

1 peter


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

we are those who no doubt continue in the faith
______________
1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

________
not those who fall away into unbelief




bump for you
 

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saying "nuh-uh" doesnt make the truth go away
no matter how much you want it to

they were never made new
plain and simple

knowledge of God does not = faith in God

and belief of God does not = faith IN Jesus


mark 4

3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

5 And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:

6 But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.

7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.

8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.


______________

14 The sower soweth the word.

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

called but not chosen <- no saving faith
not born again.... no root


their hearts were not transformed but rejected the seed
they would reject Him the moment they hear of the truth

____________

16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

again no root... not born again
no enduring faith


trials and tribulations were enough to prove they did not have a saving faith
______________

18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,

19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


no saving faith... they turn from the knowledge of God to jump back into a life of living in and justifying sin and worldly pleasures instead of accepting they are wicked and need Him

(like the reprobate)

never born again

Romans 1
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

____________



20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


theeeese are born again sons/daughters of God
Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.


and unlike demons who know of Him but have no faith IN Him

there is fruit due to being rooted IN Him

(born again by grace through faith.... not works)

1 peter


3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

we are those who no doubt continue in the faith
______________
1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

________
not those who fall away into unbelief




bump for you
Stay with the subject. We are talking about people who knew the Lord and have subsequently turned aside. Look up Apostates.
 
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Stay with the subject.
says the guy tossing verses around not knowing what they mean:rolleyes:

i fully explained to you already the difference between the soils in depth which fully explains "apostates"


you can continue to ignore scripture

but they were never of us
or no doubt would have continued with us

we (those of us who are born again) are not of them who fall away from the faith

but of them who believe unto salvation


your false gospel holds no weight

no power

no truth

and is clearly refuted with scripture
 
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Seedz

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says the guy tossing verses around not knowing what they mean:rolleyes:

i fully explained to you already the difference between the soils in depth which fully explains "apostates"


you can continue to ignore scripture

but they were never of us
or no doubt would have continued with us

we (those of us who are born again) are not of them who fall away from the faith

but of them who believe unto salvation


your false gospel holds no weight

no power

no truth

and is clearly refuted with scripture
Almost any of the current "views" can be refuted by scripture. On top of that, you have to have some specialty knowledge on many subjects just to get to what the passage "actually" says. Talk about making it hard to reach certain conclusions.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Almost any of the current "views" can be refuted by scripture. On top of that, you have to have some specialty knowledge on many subjects just to get to what the passage "actually" says. Talk about making it hard to reach certain conclusions.
not true

when you have the Holy spirit

the scripture flows in perfect harmony

it is the understanding of men that try to make think you need a guru or some special knowledge to understand truth

Ephesians 4

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 

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says the guy tossing verses around not knowing what they mean
your false gospel holds no weight
no power
no truth
and is clearly refuted with scripture
I worry about people who answer Biblical teaching on one subject, with scripture about another subject. Sad.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I worry about people who answer Biblical teaching on one subject, with scripture about another subject. Sad.
hyprocrite

We know those who do not believe are not saved!

My question is about the righteous man who turns from his righteousness?

Ezekiel 33:18 “If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.”
 
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you posted a verse about a man under law -> have their own righteousness

then tied it to born again adopted sons of God who are under grace
-> have the imputed righteousness of Jesus

then said its sad when people post verses about something other than the subject at hand
 
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not true

when you have the Holy spirit

the scripture flows in perfect harmony

it is the understanding of men that try to make think you need a guru or some special knowledge to understand truth

Ephesians 4

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

OK, How can I tell that I have the Holy Spirit and Not a demon guiding my comprehensions in the readings?