Will you go to Heaven?

That was weird my response to this post didn't come through - trying this again, lol.

Salvation is not just the gift of the forgiveness of sins, but the gifts of God's Righteousness and New Life in Christ.

And that life is not our life made longer, it is the Life of Christ put within us - eternal life! That is why it cannot be lost and we are completely secure in Christ.

That's why Paul so confidently declares:



We, in our limited view, cannot see what God may be doing or will do in the life of any believer - wayward or not - but we should trust Him to keep His promises and love well those around us and be faithful to build one another up in who we are in Christ.






-JGIG

That is what Scripture attests to in 1 John 2:19

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Are you being sarcastic? Who said that I did not agree with John? 1 John 3:14 - We know that we have passed from death to life, (demonstrative evidence) because we love each other. I also agree with 1 John 3:18-19.

*1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

In regards to 1 John 3:24 - The one who keeps (Greek word "tereo" - watch over, guard, keep intact) God's commands lives in Him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives is us: We know it by the Spirit He gave us.

*Romans 8:16 - The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

Dude you have calvinitis, you need to get out more, and take some pills to get healed of that illness, it has you blind to what people really are saying

calvin did not start eternal security, whoever told you that lied to you.

And this person has gnosticitis,

People need to stop listening t men, and start studying and at the very least, stop listening to people using gnostic/calvanist oenses, no wonder you two can never understand a word people say,

What does scripture say? Under what does sin not have dominion? The one under grace or law?

Romans 6:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The Law is holy and commandment holy, just, and good but has no power to make someone so.

Romans 7:10-13 King James Version (KJV)
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

The Law made nothing perfect, and our sanctification is through God, by His Holy Spirit. As the Apostle Paul says, the Law is good if used lawfully (1 Timothy 1:8-11). It leads men to Christ, it develops the conscience (making it sensitive to right and wrong), but over all, it could never make us perfect and clear our conscience. This is only through the blood shed of Jesus that we are being made perfect and our consciences wiped clean, so that we may be before God boldly.

To suggest I am or anyone in favor of "faith alone regeneration theology" is against the Law, is rather ignorant. If used lawfully it will lead a man to Christ, develop a conscience, and make one appreciate the righteousness of God in comparison to the evil in the world. Yet, having begun in the Spirit are we then perfected in the flesh? No (Galatians 3).

LOL Are you serious?

Is it really that "simple" and blatanly easy to certainly KNOW what is the "true" way of interpreting/believing?

Don't you see that a lot of what one believes ends up being subjective, regardless of the "objectivity" found in the word?

This is why denominations exist, along with the rest of the Christianity movement.

Depending which church you go to, who you ask, how you feel that day, etc, you will find different answers backed by different evidence.

By "disputable" doctrines I am sure you mean everything else "contrary" to what you have been led to believe to this point. The irony is that many people think the way you do. Heck, we are all culpable of it.

So you are saying it is extremely likely that we cannot know for sure about our own belief in Christ? Don't you see how complex that is? That the only people that "may" be able to tell are outside observers towards a particular persons life/faith? What does that mean about myself? Am I unworthy of knowing what I actually believe or have experienced?

Is it wrong to ask yourself questions like these?

Romans 2:6-11
"6 He will render to each one according to his works: 7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8 but for those who are self-seeking[a] and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. 11 For God shows no partiality. "

Now, I know I can get at least 5 different interpretations out of a passage like this one. (Ironically it mentions works directly affecting your judgement)

What about the ones that say something like there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus?

I find it difficult to know exactly for sure what is what.

A group is putting merit in the same boat as obedience. Got that.

Faith alone regeneration theology, logically concluded, is antinomian. Got that. (I just have a silly peeve about people sticking 'ism' on words that don't need it)

Are you saying these two ideas are related? Or that they are both of the same group? Or both are antinomian?

If you do evil, [you are not in Christ], and you get the wrath of God and everything that goes with it. If you do good [you are in Christ] and you get eternal life.

Just because Paul didn't explicitly connect doing good with being in Christ here doesn't mean it's not implied. These verses also mention nothing about love, but we know love is a must, right?

Oh so its your interpretation then? Or is it the holy spirit telling you this? Because there are other passages like Romans 7 that would make this a bit more complex.... Not sure if you have time for such discussion.

Sure I have time. I know there's more to it, but that's kinda my point. Paul didn't write everything he (directed or influenced by the Holy Spirit) had to say to everyone. So I found that I need to take this from here, that from there, etc., and put it all together for the whole picture. I do take my learnin' from the Holy Spirit. I also found that scripture always edifies other scripture. If it doesn't seem that way to me sometimes it's always me at fault, not paying attention to the Holy Spirit.

In Romans 7:18, 19 Paul said "For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing." (NIV) "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do." (KJV)

It seems a contradiction to 2:9 "There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. ", like Paul is condemning himself. Is this what you mean?

Yes. Is believing a work? What if someone questions Messiah, even for a nano-second? Did they lose their salvation or could the grace of G-d and His sanctifying work kept them saved? If you say G-d does that not prove my point He keeps us saved? Or maybe they were not saved to begin with...

If you have been saved for a while have you "ALWAYS" produced fruit? Is it fruit man judges or G-d?

Then you're saying he doesn't agree with John. Interesting.

At least I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he simply did not know what John said.

There was another person here on CC who made this claim over and over again, somehow though that person could never bring forth adequate proof.

This is a bit like deja vu for me.

You said this: Why did you say this if you knew that the Bible says anybody can know if they have measured up to the standard of saving faith?

I'm surprised that you of all people don't know more about Calvinism.

Once saved always saved is infiltrating the present day church because of Calvin.