Literally Return?

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mcubed

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Will Y-shua return? The Man that walked on the Earth over 2,000 years ago.... Is He alive and will come out of the sky... Literally return....

Why do you think He will?
Does science prove that?
 

Blain

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Well it depends really on what him returning is to you. See some think his return will be when he literally comes and wages war against the antichrist and ends all things, others believe the rapture is his return as he appears in the sky and gathers his elect.
Honestly for a long time I was torn for a long time as to whether or not he would any time soon or even at all, the rapture was something I was to damaged from all the false prophets I encountered in my early years of faith.

However earlier this year this changed and now I believe he will simply because he himself told me so in a dream. I believe not because of any kind of evidence I see in the world but upon the words he spoke to me
 

mcubed

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Well it depends really on what him returning is to you. See some think his return will be when he literally comes and wages war against the antichrist and ends all things, others believe the rapture is his return as he appears in the sky and gathers his elect.
Honestly for a long time I was torn for a long time as to whether or not he would any time soon or even at all, the rapture was something I was to damaged from all the false prophets I encountered in my early years of faith.

However earlier this year this changed and now I believe he will simply because he himself told me so in a dream. I believe not because of any kind of evidence I see in the world but upon the words he spoke to me
But either way is He still not returning? I believe in the rapture,; undecided pre, mid, post tribulation. NO MATTER WHAT THE DEAD IN MESSIAH WILL RISE!!! WILL BE CAUGHT UP IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE!!!!

It SADDENS my heart greatly that divide in the church can cause such doubt; especially for you, you are one of my favorite people...
Peter said even though He takes a long time do not doubt (my pahrase). HE WILL RETURN!!! If not we have believed for NOTHING!!!!! He is as real as me sitting here typing and if there is no return the death and resurrection are worthless. It does not matter when but the Scripture is TRUE and HE WILL.... I hope my and my sons' life time but even if not He WILL RETURN!!!! NOTHING HAS TO PROVE IT THE SCRIPTURE SAY IT and THAT IS ENOUGH!!!
 

mcubed

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Why do you think He won't return?
Oh He will, but people think science disprove His Word; I want to know what leg they stand on with His return. They do not believe the Word of G-d is true with creation but believe "science". What do they rely on their "science" or the Word of G-d? It really is kind of tricky, I want to see if they can answer.... A dead man that rose from the grave, returns as G-d!?!
 
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Oh He will, but people think science disprove His Word; I want to know what leg they stand on with His return. They do not believe the Word of G-d is true with creation but believe "science". What do they rely on their "science" or the Word of G-d? It really is kind of tricky, I want to see if they can answer.... A dead man that rose from the grave, returns as G-d!?!
Science can't see the future.
 

Nehemiah6

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Oh He will, but people think science disprove His Word; I want to know what leg they stand on with His return. They do not believe the Word of G-d is true with creation but believe "science". What do they rely on their "science" or the Word of G-d? It really is kind of tricky, I want to see if they can answer.... A dead man that rose from the grave, returns as G-d!?!
No need to waste any time on what *science* or even *pseudo-science* has to say about spiritual matters. Those who are spiritually blind are blind until they are converted.
 

mcubed

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Science can't see the future.
Does it see the past? Or has it just not caught with G-d yet?

What people once said was not true in the Bible science has now proved true or it has not caught up with the Scripture yet!!!! SCIENCE HAS NEVER DISPROVED THE SCRIPTURE!!!!
 

Noose

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The promise is, Jesus comes back so He does.
But about His return- He comes back as the kingdom of God, there's no definite time but when all the determined number of saints is achieved in the kingdom, the end will come.
We don't say the kingdom of God will come, we say it is and was and is to come the Almighty because He is always coming even today when people believe.
 

Blain

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But either way is He still not returning? I believe in the rapture,; undecided pre, mid, post tribulation. NO MATTER WHAT THE DEAD IN MESSIAH WILL RISE!!! WILL BE CAUGHT UP IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE!!!!

It SADDENS my heart greatly that divide in the church can cause such doubt; especially for you, you are one of my favorite people...
Peter said even though He takes a long time do not doubt (my pahrase). HE WILL RETURN!!! If not we have believed for NOTHING!!!!! He is as real as me sitting here typing and if there is no return the death and resurrection are worthless. It does not matter when but the Scripture is TRUE and HE WILL.... I hope my and my sons' life time but even if not He WILL RETURN!!!! NOTHING HAS TO PROVE IT THE SCRIPTURE SAY IT and THAT IS ENOUGH!!!
I was in doubt as I said I was heavily damaged from false prophets as a young Christian but as I also said he spoke to me this year. It was in a dream where I saw a cup that was hand crafted by him and I and it so much writing written on it. I have see how he uses me here in cc as I am able to speak my heart much more fluently in written form. I somehow knew this cup and all the writing was the ministry he used me in my time in cc. I saw my hand with a pen being controlled by him and he wrote on the cup using my hand saying don't give up on the rapture because it is closer than you think.

To some this may simply be a dream but for me it was him speaking directly to me and when God himself speaks to you it is wise totake his words to heart. This is why my faith in his return was re ignited and why I was healed from the inner damage the false prophets did to me in my earlier years.
 

Demi777

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1 i believe so yea
2 God has power over science. Sodom and Gomorrah is a scientific miracle...whats left pf it
Who cares whatabout science says
 
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Will Y-shua return? The Man that walked on the Earth over 2,000 years ago.... Is He alive and will come out of the sky... Literally return....

Why do you think He will?
Does science prove that?
The promise that Christ unseen would come in the corrupted flesh, typified as sinful (aging, decaying leading to destruction) in order to put away sin in the flesh, as the Son of man as a one time demonstration of the work of Him pouring out His Spirit as revealed in Joel.

In actuality He is the lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world. Not from the standpoint of the demonstration trying to make the demonstration the actual work of suffering, not seen the work that does profit

The Son of man replied of his own flesh as that seen.... it profits for nothing, it is the unseen work of the Spirit which does quicken our soul. We continue to walk by faith (the unseen)

Christ as the Holy Spirit of God will return on the last day as a thefi in the night just as it was in the days of Noah.

Many who did se Him put their hope in that which was seen .He would call them faithless. The demonstration was a one time event. The veil will not be mended and used to represent that which it has already ben performed from the foundation

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, "yet now henceforth" know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:14-17

No need to look up look... he dwells in us as the temple of God . God looks upon the heart where he dwells doing the work of making it soft. He does not accept worship in that which is seen. He is not a man as us
 

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Will Y-shua return? The Man that walked on the Earth over 2,000 years ago.... Is He alive and will come out of the sky... Literally return....

Why do you think He will?
Does science prove that?
Science can't prove anything regarding the second coming of Jesus because it has not happened yet. Yes, it is literal, He is coming in the clouds and will be seen from the east to the west. Still, even Jesus does not know when He will returned as only the Father knows but it's going to happen, sooner rather than later.
 

tourist

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But either way is He still not returning? I believe in the rapture,; undecided pre, mid, post tribulation. NO MATTER WHAT THE DEAD IN MESSIAH WILL RISE!!! WILL BE CAUGHT UP IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE!!!!

It SADDENS my heart greatly that divide in the church can cause such doubt; especially for you, you are one of my favorite people...
Peter said even though He takes a long time do not doubt (my pahrase). HE WILL RETURN!!! If not we have believed for NOTHING!!!!! He is as real as me sitting here typing and if there is no return the death and resurrection are worthless. It does not matter when but the Scripture is TRUE and HE WILL.... I hope my and my sons' life time but even if not He WILL RETURN!!!! NOTHING HAS TO PROVE IT THE SCRIPTURE SAY IT and THAT IS ENOUGH!!!
Absolutely, if scripture says that Jesus will return then He will return in exactly the way that it is written. We shall not all die but we will all be changed, in the twinkling of an eye, at the sound of the last trump. It may very well happen in our lifetime but regardless, it will certainly come to pass. Jesus may tarry be He will not be late.
 

shrume

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The promise is, Jesus comes back so He does.
But about His return- He comes back as the kingdom of God, there's no definite time but when all the determined number of saints is achieved in the kingdom, the end will come.
Actually, when he comes back he will set up the kingdom.

We don't say the kingdom of God will come, we say it is and was and is to come the Almighty because He is always coming even today when people believe.
I do. I pray for it every day.
 

Noose

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Actually, when he comes back he will set up the kingdom.


I do. I pray for it every day.
Matt 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Matt 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Matt 10:7 As you go, preach this message: ‘- The kingdom of heaven is near.’

Near/at hand can not be 2000 years later.

Eph 2:19 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on thefoundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
 

shrume

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Matt 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Matt 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.”
Matt 10:7 As you go, preach this message: ‘- The kingdom of heaven is near.’

Near/at hand can not be 2000 years later.
But it is.

Eph 2:19 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on thefoundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
There is no kingdom in those verses. The kingdom is not here yet. Believe me, you'll know when it gets here.
 
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Will Y-shua return? The Man that walked on the Earth over 2,000 years ago.... Is He alive and will come out of the sky... Literally return....

Why do you think He will?
Does science prove that?

27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:27-28


  • He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.



JPT
 

notuptome

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Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Christ will return just as He ascended into heaven. He will return first for the church in the clouds then He will return to judge the world this time in great power and glory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

CS1

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Will Y-shua return? The Man that walked on the Earth over 2,000 years ago.... Is He alive and will come out of the sky... Literally return....

Why do you think He will?
Does science prove that?
Because HE said HE would :)