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Sorry for the inconvenience if you do not understand quite well. My English is very poor and I use the translator.
 
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Raymond Kurzweil also thinks you'll eventually be able to upload your consciousness.

If humans have a soul at all (the seat of consciousness)l, then it's not something you can upload, as it is metaphysical by definition... so Christians shouldn't even give this a second glance. (And from the atheist position, no matter how badly you WANT the mind to be nothing more than an emergent property of the brain, no amount of wishful thinking can transform the Mind/Body problem into a resolved issue.)

I'm sure Kurzweil knows a lot about what's going on in technology, but my example above is proof that even the smartest guys need to be fact-checked... because THEY CAN SAY STUPID THINGS.


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I know what you mean, I thought the same. But the reality is that there are several ways to do this. The first and most important is the progressive selective impaction neuroconnectors. In plain words, introduce nanorobots in your brain that will gradually replace your neurons. The other is through what the Second Gate carries. It's about creating a link between you and a complete immersive virtual reality, then reintroducing yourself into another body. All this I say is already being done and is funded by the United Nations.
 

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Absolute nonsense!

I suppose, just to be fair about it, he did say he would answer every question. He did not say he would answer it correctly.
 
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[QUOTE = "oldhermit, post: 3625972, member: 133553"] ¡Absurdo sin sentido! [/ QUOTE]

Despues de aportar datos, etc... Tiene usted argumentos aparte de su critica ?
 

hornetguy

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Life is just too short for entertaining this.... you guys have fun with him, though. :)
 

oldhermit

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[QUOTE = "oldhermit, post: 3625972, member: 133553"] ¡Absurdo sin sentido! [/ QUOTE]

Despues de aportar datos, etc... Tiene usted argumentos aparte de su critica ?
Yes, I have may arguments, but none of this is worth my time. I really do not think anyone is going to take you seriously.
 
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Yes, I have may arguments, but none of this is worth my time. I really do not think anyone is going to take you seriously.
I see that atheists are not different from false Christians. Two criticisms and none of them without foundation, or arguments. I have done my job. Get to read a little and investigate. I prefer to use my life learning, rather than be a happy ignorant. I hope that one day I can refute what I say with some argument.
 

Ahwatukee

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You can not lose your salvation because you have not yet obtained it. There has been no person saved at least in this age.
"And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:11-13

The rapture will be according to my knowledge 2045. Why? Because the technological Singularity is a really dramatic event. It will be really complicated to live in that world being a human without AI coupled. It can be something before, not later. I do not know the day nor the time, but the year is not so complicated knowing what is coming.
The above does not support that the gathering of the church will take place in 2045. Your not going to figure the timing of that event using any method of Numerology.

The true Christianity will be considered sect, the true Christians will be persecuted in the name of peace, love and anyone knows the lies that they invented. The tribulation lasts 7 years, of which 3.5 are of peace. If it is reported about Imam Mahdi, it is precisely the years that he reigned, 7.
The above is true and that because we can read it. We know according to Dan.9:27 that there is one seven year period left. And we know that there will be a group that will become believers after the church has been gathered known as the great tribulation saints who the beast will persecute. However, though the first 3 1/2 years may be peace regarding the antichrist and Israel, God's wrath will be in operation during the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and ending with the bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses bring upon the earth. In fact, the revealing of the antichrist is represented by the rider of the white horse at the opening of the first seal. The middle of the seven years is marked by the antichrist setting up the abomination which causes the desolation when Israel flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God during the last 3.5 years.
 
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"And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:11-13



The above does not support that the gathering of the church will take place in 2045. Your not going to figure the timing of that event using any method of Numerology.



The above is true and that because we can read it. We know according to Dan.9:27 that there is one seven year period left. And we know that there will be a group that will become believers after the church has been gathered known as the great tribulation saints who the beast will persecute. However, though the first 3 1/2 years may be peace regarding the antichrist and Israel, God's wrath will be in operation during the entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and ending with the bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses bring upon the earth. In fact, the revealing of the antichrist is represented by the rider of the white horse at the opening of the first seal. The middle of the seven years is marked by the antichrist setting up the abomination which causes the desolation when Israel flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God during the last 3.5 years.
First of all, I thank you for arguing in detail to be able to defend me.

1º So that you may obtain eternal life, before you must be born again, Jesus said that. AND NOBODY is born again yet. There is a Christian belief that in order to be born again one must have faith again and that is enough. It is not like this. To be born again is to repent as it says in the messages to the churches in the apocalypse and then, after the Great Schism that will happen in the Church, to be born again of water and meat, in a rebaptism.

2nd I never said to take 2045 using numerology. I'm just saying, that the rapture should be before 2045 because that year is the singularity, and, this is a really traumatic event. Inform yourself

3º Here I agree with you. Nothing to object.
 
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[QUOTE = "Ahwatukee, publicación: 3626011, miembro: 216503"] "Y este es el testimonio: Dios nos ha dado la vida eterna, y esta vida está en su Hijo. El que tiene al Hijo tiene vida, el que no tiene el Hijo de Dios no tiene vida. Les escribo estas cosas a ustedes que creen en el nombre del Hijo de Dios para que sepan que tienen vida eterna ". - 1 Juan 5: 11-13



Lo anterior no respalda que la reunión de la iglesia tenga lugar en 2045. Tu no vas a calcular el tiempo de ese evento usando ningún método de Numerología.



Lo anterior es cierto y eso porque podemos leerlo. Sabemos de acuerdo con Dan.9: 27 que queda un período de siete años. Y sabemos que habrá un grupo que se convertirá en creyente después de que se haya reunido a la iglesia conocida como los santos de la gran tribulación que la bestia perseguirá. Sin embargo, aunque los primeros 3 1/2 años pueden ser paz con respecto al anticristo e Israel, la ira de Dios estará en operación durante los siete años completos a través de los sellos, trompetas y terminando con los juicios de los cuencos, así como las plagas que los dos los testigos traen sobre la tierra. De hecho, la revelación del anticristo está representada por el jinete del caballo blanco en la apertura del primer sello.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Ray_Kurzweil#The_Singularity_is_Near_(2005)
 

Ahwatukee

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Hey I like this, ok here's mine.

Who was this young man below, mark 14:50-52

50Then all His disciples deserted Him and fled. 51One young man who had been following Jesus was wearing a linen cloth around his body. They caught hold of him, 52but he pulled free of the linen cloth and ran away naked.

two clues.

(1) John 20:3-9

3Then Peter and the other disciple set out for the tomb. 4The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent down and looked in at the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in.
6Simon Peter arrived just after him. He entered the tomb and saw the linen cloths lying there. 7The face cloth that had been around Jesus’ head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths. 8Then the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went in. And he saw and believed. 9For they still did not understand from the Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.

(2) John 19:25-27

25Near the cross of Jesus stood His mother and her sister, as well as Mary the wife of Clopas and Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, “Woman, here is your son.” 27Then He said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” So from that hour, this disciple took her into his home.
Hello LPT,

Just fyi, none of the scriptures that you provided above identify John as the man who ran away naked. John 19:25-27 is not linked to Jesus arrest in Gethsemane, but only demonstrates that John was there at Christ's crucifixion.

The best candidate of who the young man was would be Peter, for it states that after the Lord's arrest that Peter followed them at a distance.
 

Ahwatukee

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First of all, I thank you for arguing in detail to be able to defend me.

1º So that you may obtain eternal life, before you must be born again, Jesus said that. AND NOBODY is born again yet. There is a Christian belief that in order to be born again one must have faith again and that is enough. It is not like this. To be born again is to repent as it says in the messages to the churches in the apocalypse and then, after the Great Schism that will happen in the Church, to be born again of water and meat, in a rebaptism.

2nd I never said to take 2045 using numerology. I'm just saying, that the rapture should be before 2045 because that year is the singularity, and, this is a really traumatic event.
The reason you have given above still does not prove anything. The Lord's coming for the church has always been imminent and cannot be ascertained by singularities and any thing else. We know that the His appearing is near because we can see the stage being set for the events that are to take place after the church is gone.

I guessed you missed it, so here it is again, proof that believers can know that they have eternal life, if they continue in their faith:

"And this is that testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life." - 1 John 5:11-13

Notice that the scripture above does not say "maybe you can know" or "you might be able to know, but it says "that you may know that you have eternal life."
 

Ahwatukee

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[QUOTE = "Ahwatukee, publicación: 3626011, miembro: 216503"] "Y este es el testimonio: Dios nos ha dado la vida eterna, y esta vida está en su Hijo. El que tiene al Hijo tiene vida, el que no tiene el Hijo de Dios no tiene vida. Les escribo estas cosas a ustedes que creen en el nombre del Hijo de Dios para que sepan que tienen vida eterna ". - 1 Juan 5: 11-13



Lo anterior no respalda que la reunión de la iglesia tenga lugar en 2045. Tu no vas a calcular el tiempo de ese evento usando ningún método de Numerología.



Lo anterior es cierto y eso porque podemos leerlo. Sabemos de acuerdo con Dan.9: 27 que queda un período de siete años. Y sabemos que habrá un grupo que se convertirá en creyente después de que se haya reunido a la iglesia conocida como los santos de la gran tribulación que la bestia perseguirá. Sin embargo, aunque los primeros 3 1/2 años pueden ser paz con respecto al anticristo e Israel, la ira de Dios estará en operación durante los siete años completos a través de los sellos, trompetas y terminando con los juicios de los cuencos, así como las plagas que los dos los testigos traen sobre la tierra. De hecho, la revelación del anticristo está representada por el jinete del caballo blanco en la apertura del primer sello.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Ray_Kurzweil#The_Singularity_is_Near_(2005)
The above is just another man's teaching. You should be able to use scripture to support your own claim and not Ray Kurzwiel. However, I agree that the gathering of the church is near, but only because of the events taking place and because of this singularity.
 

Ahwatukee

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The above is just another man's teaching. You should be able to use scripture to support your own claim and not Ray Kurzwiel. However, I agree that the gathering of the church is near, but only because of the events taking place and because of this singularity.
Correction:

The above is just another man's teaching. You should be able to use scripture to support your own claim and not Ray Kurzwiel. However, I agree that the gathering of the church is near, but only because of the events taking place and NOT because of this singularity.
 

Ahwatukee

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[QUOTE = "Ahwatukee, publicación: 3626011, miembro: 216503"] "Y este es el testimonio: Dios nos ha dado la vida eterna, y esta vida está en su Hijo. El que tiene al Hijo tiene vida, el que no tiene el Hijo de Dios no tiene vida. Les escribo estas cosas a ustedes que creen en el nombre del Hijo de Dios para que sepan que tienen vida eterna ". - 1 Juan 5: 11-13



Lo anterior no respalda que la reunión de la iglesia tenga lugar en 2045. Tu no vas a calcular el tiempo de ese evento usando ningún método de Numerología.



Lo anterior es cierto y eso porque podemos leerlo. Sabemos de acuerdo con Dan.9: 27 que queda un período de siete años. Y sabemos que habrá un grupo que se convertirá en creyente después de que se haya reunido a la iglesia conocida como los santos de la gran tribulación que la bestia perseguirá. Sin embargo, aunque los primeros 3 1/2 años pueden ser paz con respecto al anticristo e Israel, la ira de Dios estará en operación durante los siete años completos a través de los sellos, trompetas y terminando con los juicios de los cuencos, así como las plagas que los dos los testigos traen sobre la tierra. De hecho, la revelación del anticristo está representada por el jinete del caballo blanco en la apertura del primer sello.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_made_by_Ray_Kurzweil#The_Singularity_is_Near_(2005)
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2045: The Singularity[edit]

  • $1000 buys a computer a billion times more intelligent than every human combined. This means that average and even low-end computers are vastly smarter than even highly intelligent, unenhanced humans.
  • The technological singularity occurs as artificial intelligences surpass human beings as the smartest and most capable life forms on the Earth. Technological development is taken over by the machines, who can think, act and communicate so quickly that normal humans cannot even comprehend what is going on. The machines enter into a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, with each new generation of A.I.s appearing faster and faster. From this point onwards, technological advancement is explosive, under the control of the machines, and thus cannot be accurately predicted (hence the term "Singularity").
  • The Singularity is an extremely disruptive, world-altering event that forever changes the course of human history. The extermination of humanity by violent machines is unlikely (though not impossible) because sharp distinctions between man and machine will no longer exist thanks to the existence of cybernetically enhanced humans and uploaded humans.
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You and Kurzwel have been watching too many Terminator movies. Though science and technology have been increased, just as prophesied, the word of God has a different scenario as to how the end of the age is going to come about.

Very soon now, the Lord is going to appear and remove His church and not because of this singularity, but because we can see the stage being set for the events that take place after the church has been gathered. Shortly after that, the antichrist will establish his seven year covenant with Israel and Islam, making it possible for Israel to build her temple on the temple mount. Then according to Dan.9:27, the antichrist/beast will set up that abomination and at that time will proclaim himself to be God or anything that is called God or worshiped. It is during this last 3.5 years that the beast is given authority to make war against the saints, where at the end of that 3.5 years, Jesus will return to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. Once the wrath of God begins via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, the majority of the population will be decimated and all human government will be dismantled in preparation for the Lord's millennial kingdom.
 

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No. I've only read a lot and I've drawn conclusions. Nothing more. I do not even see the future, I do not intend to do it. I only see a lot of ignorance in today's Christian and I would like to contribute something.
Can you name some examples of the ignorance in today´s Christians?
 

trofimus

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You can not lose your salvation because you have not yet obtained it. There has been no person saved at least in this age. To obtain his salvation, he must repent when the Roman Church is born at the hand of Petrus Romanus... blah blah
For it is by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.
Eph 2:10