Not By Works
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And your words sound very JEWISH rootish.....I am not under the Torah.....too bad you place yourself under it.....SO.....since you insist on placing yourself under the "TORAH" YOU must keep all 613 laws 24/7/365 without breaking one of the least....if you do...guilty and hell to pay.......good luck
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Agree migo, all of the "Self-righteous - save yourself bunch", are way out of balance. They place all of their "trust" in their performance, rather than placing their whole "trust" entirely on the power of God to save and bring us home safely. They place Jesus in the "foreground" and then place themselves in the "limelight"
We serve an Omniscient God, praise God!
Jeremiah32:17
17 ‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm!
Nothing is too hard for you.
We serve an Omniscient God, praise God!
Jeremiah32:17
17 ‘Ah, Lord God! It is you who have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm!
Nothing is too hard for you.
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That is a very valid statement all tho we are Not supposed to do something just to force it to work.
Shouldn't we know what the Torah says?
How many of the 613 commands can we observe correctly with what exist today and Not being in the Land?
Where can you find where God or Jesus says not to follow Torah?
Shouldn't we know what the Torah says?
How many of the 613 commands can we observe correctly with what exist today and Not being in the Land?
Where can you find where God or Jesus says not to follow Torah?
No, only truly BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS who believe they were Baptized in to HIS Spiritual Body by the HOLY SPIRIT, and the Dead in the Messiah (both N.T. Saints and O.T. Saints) will be invited to go to the Wedding of the LAMB in Heaven. I already have my invitation, HOW ABOUT YOU ? ? ?
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
3 First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
4 saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
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1 John 5:1
1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
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i think this went unanswered
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huh?
how can you be a believer if you prove you are not through unbelief?
4102. pistis ►
Strong's Concordance
pistis: faith, faithfulness
Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.
4100. pisteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
clearly if you say you believe
and even think you believe in something
but you have no confidence
no trust
no FAITH in it
then what you truely believe is revealed by what your confidence is in
so no... they would not be a believer they would be a pretender who was exposed
if someone at a store asks me "do you know how to get to my house from here"
and i ask them
do you have faith i will tell you the truth?
and they think "sure why not"
and tell me "absolutely"
then i say to them "you just need to go west"
and they say "thank you so so so much i believe you"
they are smiling
and feeling happy
and thinking "what a nice man he is to help me get home from here"
they finish their shopping
and leave the store
then decide
"eh i know he said west.... but honestly i think i go south to get home"
then they go south and get lost.....
did they believe me?
did they have confidence in me?
did they have trust in me?
based on the definition of belief
id say they thought they believed me
but nah
they actually trusted themself
and believed themself
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Ralph as in it made you barf? Or ralph as in pHart? 
Can't help it if I sound like someone else.
And I disagree.
And now you say: obviously...
Can't help it if I sound like someone else.
And I disagree.
And now you say: obviously...
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i understand that those who are confused and still think we are saved by our walk would be under the illusion one could lose their salvation
but those who understand we are saved by grace through faith......
how could you think you could stop believing?
do you think someone could convince you or talk you out of belief in Jesus?
do you seriously think you believe because you choose to believe?
you think your will power is whats helping you endure?... or you think one would NEED will power to maintain faith?
...i cannot understand this mindset at all....
but those who understand we are saved by grace through faith......
how could you think you could stop believing?
do you think someone could convince you or talk you out of belief in Jesus?
do you seriously think you believe because you choose to believe?
you think your will power is whats helping you endure?... or you think one would NEED will power to maintain faith?
...i cannot understand this mindset at all....
Okay, you win. It only means: and those who survive physically dying are physically alive.
It has nothing to do with anything else.
It just means: those who don't die are alive.
Kind of common sense that those who don't die are still alive, but okay.
It has nothing to do with anything else.
It just means: those who don't die are alive.
Kind of common sense that those who don't die are still alive, but okay.
a. Contextual support
b. Proof that it means the salvation of the soul
c. Other texts in context that put the salvation of the soul upon man's shoulders by enduring something (which = a works based salvation)
I will give you a few examples of enduring and being preserved physically....
Jonah endured three days and three nights in the fish's belly and was physically saved or preserved
Noah and his family ENDURED the flood and were PHYSICALLY preserved or saved
Rahab endured the siege and fall of Jericho and was PHYSICALLY preserved or saved
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To all those who think that if you're "truly" saved you will not stop believing, what about Demas, and Titus?
Col 4:14) Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
Phlm 1:24) Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers.
2 Tim 4:10) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Paul considered Demas a fellowlaborer, and yet towards the end of Paul's life, Demas had forsaken him, having loved the present world.
Titus had departed to Dalmatia. Admittedly, that short statement does not say that Titus stopped believing, but the context is people leaving Paul, and loving the present world.
Also:
2 Tim 1:
15) This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
Do you believe that all those in Asia who had deserted Paul were never "truly" saved?
Col 4:14) Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.
Phlm 1:24) Marcus, Aristarchus, Demas, Lucas, my fellowlabourers.
2 Tim 4:10) For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Paul considered Demas a fellowlaborer, and yet towards the end of Paul's life, Demas had forsaken him, having loved the present world.
Titus had departed to Dalmatia. Admittedly, that short statement does not say that Titus stopped believing, but the context is people leaving Paul, and loving the present world.
Also:
2 Tim 1:
15) This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
Do you believe that all those in Asia who had deserted Paul were never "truly" saved?