Speaking in tongues

Romans 8:16 is our evidence of the Holy Spirit dwelling within us.

Paul said praying without knowledge in an unknown tongue is unfruitful. 1 Cor 14:14

Praying in tongues is not praying in the Holy Spirit. Paul says it is his, Paul's, spirit that prays.

Simple case of eisegesis.

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Roger

Yes, your comments are a simple case of eisegesis.

1 Cor 14:2 "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

Speaking (or praying) in tongues is by the Holy Spirit. Paul isn't contradicting himself in verse 14.

vv 14-15 " For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding."

What Paul wrote is that if he prays in a tongue, his mind is unfruitful, not that praying in an unknown tongue is itself unfruitful.

agree as I have been saying


I don't believe you have to pray in tongues to pray in the spirit. you can be praying in the spirit in your own language..that is, in 'tune' with the Holy Spirit. as praying in the spirit does not specifically indicate tongues, I hesitate to say it 'must' be tongues but I will agree probably often is but I think we need to be careful about over generalizing because, IMO, tongues are abused to day like in the Corinthian church

Paul does say he wishes all would pray in tongues...but then goes on to say that not everyone does. I doubt he meant everyone should practice tongues after telling them to calm it down.


I don't believe scripture indicates that being sealed is the same as being filled. that would not explain the events in Acts where some were saved but were still asked if they had received the Holy Spirit.


But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.” (1 Corinthians 12:7-11)

even in the quote above, it indicates that one has this gift and another a different gift

yes all from the Holy Spirit as God directs but they are commonly referred to as gifts

4 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord. 6 There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people.

7 The Holy Spirit is given to each of us in a special way. That is for the good of all. 8 To some people the Spirit gives a message of wisdom. To others the same Spirit gives a message of knowledge. 9 To others the same Spirit gives faith. To others that one Spirit gives gifts of healing. 10 To others he gives the power to do miracles. To others he gives the ability to prophesy. To others he gives the ability to tell the spirits apart. To others he gives the ability to speak in different kinds of languages they had not known before. And to still others he gives the ability to explain what was said in those languages. 11 All the gifts are produced by one and the same Spirit. He gives gifts to each person, just as he decides.
I Corinthians 12

garees posts do need clarification and are somewhat misunderstood because of how he connects verses

but you can't fault his delivery! polite always

no worries about when you respond. I don't live on here either

before I ever spoke or prayed in tongues, the Holy Spirit indwelt me and every other believer

I remember in church or in camp or even at youth group I would be so in tune with the worship of God both in singing and with the Bible

this is the Holy Spirit confirming the truth of belonging to God

I was worshipping as many do, without praying in tongues

in the spirit is taken to mean praying in tongues at all time, but I believe and I think the Bible indicates it is more than that

it is being in AGREEMENT with the Holy Spirit

there are people praying in tongues who are in rebellion against God and who do not live for God but are worldly and doing what ever they want. they are NOT in agreement with the Spirit of God and this happens regularly. I've known many

Acts 2 talks about Pentecost and when God's Holy Spirit descended upon the masses gathered in one place and bestowed the Heavenly gift of languages upon them.

Any church that claims God would never ..... in this age is of the Devil. There isn't a mortal alive that has the right to insist their egoism ranks what God can and cannot do according to them. And especially when they're trying to use God's word to support their arrogance.

God can do anything he wants.

Matthew 6:5-15.
I see no mention of a "prayer language" mentioned by Christ.
I know without a doubt that The Holy Spirit dwells in me.
I feel His presents at every moment.

I am beginning to think that you do not believe me saved since I do not speak in "tongues".

Where is there an example in the Bible showing that praying in the spirit is praying "in tune" with the Holy Spirit? I know that we are to "fervent in spirit" (Acts 18:25 and Rom 12:11), but where is there an example of praying in the Spirit that is not talking about speaking in tongues? In 1 Cor 12:3 tongues is referred to as "speaking by the Spirit of God", Paul explicitly states that speaking in tongues is praying in the spirit in 1 Cor 14:13-15 and in v16 it is called "bless with the spirit".

How could Paul (again by revelation) say that he desires all Christians to speak in tongues but not mean it? And as far as "calming it down", he was certainly not telling them to stop speaking in tongues. He was telling them how to do it properly. The Corinthians were all speaking out loud at once, and nobody was interpreting. He told them that if a person wants to speak in tongues aloud in the church, he should pray with the intent to interpret. And only two or three people should do it, and it should be done in order, not all at the same time.

There are different aspects to being "filled" (Acts 2:4; 4:8, 31; 13:9, 52; Eph 5:18), but when a person is saved, he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. That gives him the ability to operate the manifestations of that spirit.

What that shows us is that the apostles were concerned or interested in seeing people manifest the Holy Spirit. If you see someone manifest the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues, you know that are born again, saved. That's what flabbergasted Peter with Cornelius. Hearing them speak in tongues was proof that Cornelius and his family were saved.

There has been a lot of discussion on this. But it should be obvious that people have the ability to operate more than one manifestation, because just two chapters later, Paul says:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

Paul is saying that the person who speaks in tongues is to be the one to interpret.

23) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24) But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

Those verses indicate that all CAN speak in tongues, and all CAN prophesy.

Yes, they are commonly called gifts, but that is unfortunate. Being called a "gift" implies that it's something special, only some people get it, and others don't.

1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

I'm not sure what translation that is, but it's not very good, IMO, especially verse 7. (and no, I am not a KJV Only person... )

4) Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5) And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6) And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9) To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

There are differences of gifts, differences of administrations, differences of operations, BUT the manifestation of the spirit is given to everyone (Christian). And again, the overall context of 1 Cor 12-14 is Christian meetings, and different people are inspired to do different things.

The point is that speaking in tongues is never called a gift in the Bible. It is one of the nine manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit, one that God says (through Paul) that He would like every Christian to operate.

Agreed. garee is always polite.

The gift of the Holy Spirit initially descended on the 12 apostles and they spoke in tongues. Where does the Bible say anything about "the Heavenly gift of languages"?

God cannot break His word.

Amen.he promised a lot of things to us. Give him a reason to break those promises.,and he will.

Where does the Bible say God will break His promises?

Some of God's promises are conditional, and we must hold up our end to receive them, but God does not break His promises.

Ok, I stand corrected, he may not break any of his promises ,but if you do not live up to his promises, you will not receive them. Like the Isrealites, all the promises he made and the blessings. I lay before you this day, blessings and curses. Which one did that choose. ? That first generation chose the curses,and never made it out of the desert.

That last would be a great response to those who argue we can lose our eternal salvation.

God can do anything he wants.

The gift of the holy spirit is just that, a gift, question is what are you going to do with that gift? Make it work for you, or toss it away? Man is not a gift to the holy spirit, but the holy spirit is a gift to man.

God cannot break His word. We can trust Him.

Salvation is a a gift of God in his grace and it is irrevocable. God delivers his holy spirit into those whom he knows are his.

Salvation is not a gift, the holy spirit is a gift. what are you talking about? did you mean to put it that way or not?

If you want to pester Christians on a forum at least spend the time to learn what the Bible says about the subject you want to tear apart thinking you're upsetting folks.
Well, I think it just a matter of time before the door closes on you here.

If you believe that ,then you don't know your bible.

Yeah, that must be it. No, no, I'm certain. That must be it.

Gabriel2020 doesn't believe any of that.