Easy Believism and Lordship Salvation (why both are false Gospels)

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LW97

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Nehemiah6 said:
I don't know about "most people" but "easy believism" is the result of preaching only half the Gospel, and failing to show that genuine repentance is condition of salvation, and that the Lord Jesus Christ is BOTH Lord and Savior, not just the Savior. Which means that Christ becomes Lord and Master of the one who believes on Him.
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We do not change our lives to get saved, Christ changes our life. If we are saved we want to obey him
 
LW97

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UnderGrace said:
As well "easy believism" is a false construct used by Lordship Salvation against those who maintain a pure simple Gospel of salvation by faith alone.

We do not turn from sin to be saved, we believe in Jesus as Saviour to be saved, turning from sin is a product of salvation not a requirement for salvation.
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So godly sorrow is not required?
 
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LW97 said:
Again, we do not make him Lord, he is Lord. GotQuestions is not correct about every little thing.
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"He is Lord" does that automatically make Him your Lord. You make Him Lord by submitting to His Lordship.
 
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Adstar said:
So have you had a change in your actions LW97 ? Have you turned from your sins and now you are a sinless human being?

Well since you declare that believing and trusting in the Atonement is not enough and that we must change our actions you must declare that it is only by achieving a sinless state of being that people attain entry into eternal life with God...

So have you attained a sinless state of being LW97 ??? If not.. By you very own preaching standards you are not saved and are heading to the eternal lake of fire... Aren't you?
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You took my words out of context. I said no such thing
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
"He is Lord" does that automatically make Him your Lord. You make Him Lord by submitting to His Lordship.
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No, he is Lord of all. I do not make a commitment to him, I trust him to change me. Repentance is not turning from sins, rather a change of mind that leads to turning from sins
 
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Chester said:
I am in agreement with you, Nehemiah6, that "submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior. "

But "Lordship salvation" in my area of the country means pretty much what LW97 said.
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Amen, and it is false. The Holy Spirit changes us after salvation, not ourselves
 
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LW97 said:
We do not change our lives to get saved, Christ changes our life. If we are saved we want to obey him
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Sinners who do not turn from their sins and idols when they turn to Christ are simply fooling themselves.

Did you know that God COMMANDS repentance, and that He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent? (Acts 17:30). No repentance = no salvation.
 
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The easier it is to believe the harder it is to obey.

You must have a John 16:8-11 experience. It gets a whole lot easier to believe when you smell the Sulphur smoke and feel the heat of the flames your sin is earning for you.

Godly sorrow and repentance are the result of conviction of sin, righteousness and the certainty of eternal judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Here's another example where Hebrew word for repent is translated metanoia in the LXX. Obviously a deeper meaning than just "change the mind".

I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle. Jeremiah 8:6​

Repent
H5162 נָחַם nacham (naw-kham') v.
1. (properly) to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly
2. (by implication) to be sorry
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No the problem is our cultural understanding of "change of mind" which is likened to or reduced to a simple change of taste or a shift in thinking or a change of preferences like a new preference of Marinara Sauce as opposed to Alfredo sauce.

The deeper, truer meaning of "metanoia" as a radical, profound, everlasting work in the mind eludes the western culture.

When we are called to change our mind/metanoia it is on God's terms not ours He knows and accepts the person who has truly come to the profound and deep understanding of Jesus as Saviour in mind and heart.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Sinners who do not turn from their sins and idols when they turn to Christ are simply fooling themselves.

Did you know that God COMMANDS repentance, and that He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent? (Acts 17:30). No repentance = no salvation.
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You misquoted me. I just said we are not saved by turning from our sins and I also said if we are saved the evidence is that we turn from our sins
 
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notuptome said:
The easier it is to believe the harder it is to obey.

You must have a John 16:8-11 experience. It gets a whole lot easier to believe when you smell the Sulphur smoke and feel the heat of the flames your sin is earning for you.

Godly sorrow and repentance are the result of conviction of sin, righteousness and the certainty of eternal judgment.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Amen
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Sinners who do not turn from their sins and idols when they turn to Christ are simply fooling themselves.

Did you know that God COMMANDS repentance, and that He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent? (Acts 17:30). No repentance = no salvation.
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Did you turn from every sin?

The work of the cross serves no function if to be saved we turned from sin.
 
mailmandan

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Nehemiah6 said:
"He is Lord" does that automatically make Him your Lord. You make Him Lord by submitting to His Lordship.
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The two out of balance views would be that we do not submit to the Lordship of Jesus at all (yet claim Him as Lord) or else we refer to anything less than sinless perfection 100% of the time as not submitting to the Lordship of Jesus.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
And your post is being totally unfair to that poster. Maybe you should read that post again. There is no screaming anger in it at all.
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that's your opinion
 
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LW97 said:
Again, we do not make him Lord, he is Lord. GotQuestions is not correct about every little thing.
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Exactly.... there seems to be this theology of "Jesus take the wheel" which I liken to "making Jesus Lord" of our lives.

Jesus called us to believe in Him and the work He accomplished for us so that we can be saved.

Jesus is Lord is de facto ....GotQuestions is a place of very last resort if at all.:)
 
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UnderGrace said:
Exactly.... there seems to be this theology of "Jesus take the wheel" which I liken to "making Jesus Lord" of our lives.

Jesus called us to believe in Him and the work He accomplished for us so that we can be saved.

Jesus is Lord is de facto ....GotQuestions is a place of very last resort if at all.:)
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Amen, Acts 10:36 and Galatians 4:1.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Sinners who do not turn from their sins and idols when they turn to Christ are simply fooling themselves.

Did you know that God COMMANDS repentance, and that He commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to repent? (Acts 17:30). No repentance = no salvation.
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you consistently seem to twist what the op is saying in order to make a point you and he do not agree on

it's gettin old :cool:
 
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